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Nov 15, 2011 14:43:08 GMT -5
Post by zendancer on Nov 15, 2011 14:43:08 GMT -5
Trf: So you've never gagged because of a really terrible smell? I don't want to spend much time on this, but the "badness" of poop smell is a learned response. Little children do not find it bad at all. Sour milk is in the same category, and there are people who actually like the smell and taste of soured milk. Chlorine, on the other hand, causes an instant chemical response in the body as do many odors that irritate the lining of the lungs or olefactory membranes. |
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Nov 15, 2011 14:56:16 GMT -5
Post by andrew on Nov 15, 2011 14:56:16 GMT -5
Trf: So you've never gagged because of a really terrible smell? I don't want to spend much time on this, but the "badness" of poop smell is a learned response. Little children do not find it bad at all. Sour milk is in the same category, and there are people who actually like the smell and taste of soured milk. Chlorine, on the other hand, causes an instant chemical response in the body as do many odors that irritate the lining of the lungs or olefactory membranes. That makes sense to me that some of these things are learned responses, but I think the point is that bodymind aversions happen. Im not sure that we 'overcome' our aversion to soured milk even though it may well be a learned aversion. The path of least resistance is usually just to spit it out. |
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Nov 15, 2011 16:40:36 GMT -5
Post by teetown on Nov 15, 2011 16:40:36 GMT -5
For once I agree with andrew haha.
Point is learned or not, avoiding an aversive stimulus didn't mean one is somehow trapped in mind or whatever.
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Nov 15, 2011 17:52:28 GMT -5
Post by therealfake on Nov 15, 2011 17:52:28 GMT -5
For once I agree with andrew haha. Point is learned or not, avoiding an aversive stimulus didn't mean one is somehow trapped in mind or whatever. Aversion is the minds way of non-acceptance of Reality, of What IS... If there is something stinky around, there's something stinky around, that's life. Reacting negatively to it no matter how subtle, reinforces the minds idea of separation... There is nothing outside of This, this Whole...including the most disgusting things imaginable...hehe |
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Nov 15, 2011 18:10:29 GMT -5
Post by mamza on Nov 15, 2011 18:10:29 GMT -5
Whether I learned to hate the smell of crap or not, my reaction to the smell is not generated by my mind. Some habits stick, some habits don't. You don't think about habits to do them, you just do them--that's why they're called habits. Unconscious, immediate (re)actions.
Your mind does not accept or refuse to accept reality. That's not what minds do. Your mind makes you THINK that it does such things, when in reality, all such actions are beyond it.
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Nov 16, 2011 16:10:52 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Nov 16, 2011 16:10:52 GMT -5
I notice that this bodymind system has spontaneous aversions to some things. Thats why we tend to spit our sour milk when we drink it. All aminals have such aversions to keep them from eating poisonous stuff. Only humans are smart enough to have the thought that this is a problem and shouldn't be that way. I had been watching a vegetarian thread elsewhere for a while that included the 'solution' of breatharianism and synthetic food since of course plants also scream bloody murder as they're eaten, and I finally posted this a minute ago: |
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Nov 16, 2011 16:15:42 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Nov 16, 2011 16:15:42 GMT -5
For once I agree with andrew haha. Point is learned or not, avoiding an aversive stimulus didn't mean one is somehow trapped in mind or whatever. Aversion is the minds way of non-acceptance of Reality, of What IS... If there is something stinky around, there's something stinky around, that's life. Reacting negatively to it no matter how subtle, reinforces the minds idea of separation... There is nothing outside of This, this Whole...including the most disgusting things imaginable...hehe Avoiding a snake on the path would be the non-acceptance of What Is? What would happen if you didn't think about it quite so much? |
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Nov 16, 2011 19:32:09 GMT -5
Post by therealfake on Nov 16, 2011 19:32:09 GMT -5
Aversion is the minds way of non-acceptance of Reality, of What IS... If there is something stinky around, there's something stinky around, that's life. Reacting negatively to it no matter how subtle, reinforces the minds idea of separation... There is nothing outside of This, this Whole...including the most disgusting things imaginable...hehe Avoiding a snake on the path would be the non-acceptance of What Is? What would happen if you didn't think about it quite so much? We jump whenever we hear a rustling in the bushes... And we jump not knowing if it's a mouse or a man eating tiger. Is jumping at the sound of rustling in a bush non-acceptance of what is or thousands of years of 'fearing' being eaten by a tiger? |
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Nov 16, 2011 23:41:14 GMT -5
Post by mamza on Nov 16, 2011 23:41:14 GMT -5
Neither! Jumping at something that scares you has nothing to do with avoiding reality or worrying about tigers! BOO! Jump. Scream. Aaaaaaah. Where the hell are the tigers coming from? How are you avoiding reality by being scared of something that happens in reality? That doesn't make any sense at all!
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Nov 17, 2011 2:33:34 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Nov 17, 2011 2:33:34 GMT -5
Avoiding a snake on the path would be the non-acceptance of What Is? What would happen if you didn't think about it quite so much? We jump whenever we hear a rustling in the bushes... And we jump not knowing if it's a mouse or a man eating tiger. Is jumping at the sound of rustling in a bush non-acceptance of what is or thousands of years of 'fearing' being eaten by a tiger? Something that smells bad usually isn't good to eat. Is that non-acceptance of what is, or thousands of years of fearing being poisoned? |
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Nov 17, 2011 10:02:04 GMT -5
Post by therealfake on Nov 17, 2011 10:02:04 GMT -5
We jump whenever we hear a rustling in the bushes... And we jump not knowing if it's a mouse or a man eating tiger. Is jumping at the sound of rustling in a bush non-acceptance of what is or thousands of years of 'fearing' being eaten by a tiger? Something that smells bad usually isn't good to eat. Is that non-acceptance of what is, or thousands of years of fearing being poisoned? Something that smells good can also not be good to eat. And some things that smell bad can be very good to eat. What are these dualistic 'ideas' reflective of, separateness or wholeness? |
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Nov 17, 2011 11:43:55 GMT -5
Post by andrew on Nov 17, 2011 11:43:55 GMT -5
Something that smells bad usually isn't good to eat. Is that non-acceptance of what is, or thousands of years of fearing being poisoned? Something that smells good can also not be good to eat. And some things that smell bad can be very good to eat. What are these dualistic 'ideas' reflective of, separateness or wholeness? It seems to me that aversions, preferences and discernment are the current reality for humans and animals, but I think we can be less argumentative and less self-judgmental with the preferences and aversions that arise and with the discernment that happens i.e. we can be more intelligent and more responsive and less dogmatic. |
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Nov 17, 2011 17:42:32 GMT -5
Post by therealfake on Nov 17, 2011 17:42:32 GMT -5
Something that smells good can also not be good to eat. And some things that smell bad can be very good to eat. What are these dualistic 'ideas' reflective of, separateness or wholeness? It seems to me that aversions, preferences and discernment are the current reality for humans and animals, but I think we can be less argumentative and less self-judgmental with the preferences and aversions that arise and with the discernment that happens i.e. we can be more intelligent and more responsive and less dogmatic. Yes, being less dogmatic in the world of the mind is definitely a good thing... Seeing the reality of the world that's unfolding anew each moment, would be even better... Peace |
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Nov 17, 2011 21:06:04 GMT -5
Post by mamza on Nov 17, 2011 21:06:04 GMT -5
......Sigh.
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Nov 18, 2011 1:05:41 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Nov 18, 2011 1:05:41 GMT -5
Something that smells bad usually isn't good to eat. Is that non-acceptance of what is, or thousands of years of fearing being poisoned? Something that smells good can also not be good to eat. And some things that smell bad can be very good to eat. What are these dualistic 'ideas' reflective of, separateness or wholeness? Gee, I dunno, guy. My point is just that we don't have to make a problem out of every aversion. |
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