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Post by michaelsees on Apr 1, 2011 19:36:16 GMT -5
Why.. For the experience... why else. For all our angst, being human, physical beings, with the capacity we have for such emotional extremes, is something very unique. There is great value in the lessons learned through truly immersing yourself in being alive. In our desire for enlightenment, we focus so much on the higher spiritual experience, that we overlook the the obvious. We chose to inhabit these physical bodies for a purpose. That purpose, I believe was for 'the experience'. Why do we always make things complicated, when the answer is usually quite simple. These are just my thoughts. So you feel the Absolute was lacking or missing something and needed to take a walk on the wild side to get a fix? Stay with me now I am on your side. Can we have promise in a lacking Divine? Michael
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Post by michaelsees on Apr 1, 2011 19:42:56 GMT -5
Here is one of my high spiritual emotional experiences I made a clip of and put it on youtube.
Michael
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Post by enigma on Apr 1, 2011 19:48:56 GMT -5
I don't believe that 'the masters' would love to have the answer to why. This is a misconception based on some other misconceptions. The most fundamental misconception is that something forgets itself, and once this belief is established, then the various how and why questions show up.
There isn't something, even a oneness no-thing, that is ever enlightened, or remembers or forgets or does something for some reasoned purpose. The image must be of a God somewhere doing stuff for his own reasons, and no 'master' carries that image around and wonders what the heck God was thinkin. These concepts of God, Being, Absolute, Isness, whatever, are just concepts. There isn't a thing or no-thing there or here or anywhere. There's just This; sights, sounds, thoughts, feelings, that's IT. That's why ZD keeps pointing to it; that's all there is. That's all that's happening. That's all that ever happens.
Given that, how or why would any how or why question ever arise about these made up concepts? I sometimes talk about God as non-local intelligence, or as potential, to try to avoid this mental image of a personal God (meaning something with personal attributes like thinking, volition), and it's out of this sort of image that the why question arises.
We could, perhaps, say it's all a mystery as to what in blazes is going on, but that's not to imply that something is going on that mind can't quite figure out. It's clear that the mystery means there is nothing to know about that because the idea of a mystery to be solved happens only as an invented concept that has no meaning at all when referring to that intelligence or potential out of which all concepts arise.
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Post by enigma on Apr 1, 2011 19:57:59 GMT -5
Why.. For the experience... why else. For all our angst, being human, physical beings, with the capacity we have for such emotional extremes, is something very unique. There is great value in the lessons learned through truly immersing yourself in being alive. In our desire for enlightenment, we focus so much on the higher spiritual experience, that we overlook the the obvious. We chose to inhabit these physical bodies for a purpose. That purpose, I believe was for 'the experience'. Why do we always make things complicated, when the answer is usually quite simple. These are just my thoughts. It's simpler than that. Infinite potential actualizes infinitely. What you seem to be is one of those actualizations. What you actually are is infinite potential.
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Post by ladyhawk on Apr 1, 2011 19:59:21 GMT -5
Maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick, I thought we were talking about the absolute, the divine consciousness that resides within us all. We are all part of that divine consciousness. I have never heard of God losing himself and becoming lost in what are afterall human emotional experiences. The Divine consciousness to my understanding was that connection to our inherent spiritual orgins. Where we are aware of and understand the meaning of all things.
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Post by michaelsees on Apr 1, 2011 20:05:09 GMT -5
I don't believe that 'the masters' would love to have the answer to why. This is a misconception based on some other misconceptions. The most fundamental misconception is that something forgets itself, and once this belief is established, then the various how and why questions show up. There isn't something, even a oneness no-thing, that is ever enlightened, or remembers or forgets or does something for some reasoned purpose. The image must be of a God somewhere doing stuff for his own reasons, and no 'master' carries that image around and wonders what the heck God was thinkin. These concepts of God, Being, Absolute, Isness, whatever, are just concepts. There isn't a thing or no-thing there or here or anywhere. There's just This; sights, sounds, thoughts, feelings, that's IT. That's why ZD keeps pointing to it; that's all there is. That's all that's happening. That's all that ever happens. Given that, how or why would any how or why question ever arise about these made up concepts? I sometimes talk about God as non-local intelligence, or as potential, to try to avoid this mental image of a personal God (meaning something with personal attributes like thinking, volition), and it's out of this sort of image that the why question arises. We could, perhaps, say it's all a mystery as to what in blazes is going on, but that's not to imply that something is going on that mind can't quite figure out. It's clear that the mystery means there is nothing to know about that because the idea of a mystery to be solved happens only as an invented concept that has no meaning at all when referring to that intelligence or potential out of which all concepts arise. Actually they would or would not. They say they would of course it may be in gest. Your correct about what a real mystery is. But I will tell you this putting aside all your words if you got beamed up right now and you could ask a question my bets would be there is a why inside you someplace. Why not or better yet you can ask God why we have hot dogs and I will just ask Why? You see the truth is this question can never be answered based on concepts but this does not mean it's unanswerable. I tend to side with LadyHawk hell God does for the experience. Being 1 is a lonely number Michael
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Post by enigma on Apr 1, 2011 20:06:49 GMT -5
Maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick, I thought we were talking about the absolute, the divine consciousness that resides within us all. We are all part of that divine consciousness. I have never heard of God losing himself and becoming lost in what are afterall human emotional experiences. The Divine consciousness to my understanding was that connection to our inherent spiritual orgins. Where we are aware of and understand the meaning of all things. God doesn't know anything.
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Post by enigma on Apr 1, 2011 20:10:06 GMT -5
God is/was not lonely.
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Post by michaelsees on Apr 1, 2011 20:10:36 GMT -5
God doesn't know anything. Well there goes the hot dogs and the why Michael
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Post by enigma on Apr 1, 2011 20:12:38 GMT -5
Make me one with everything. Yum!
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Post by michaelsees on Apr 1, 2011 20:13:51 GMT -5
I think God was very lonely and then he made us and then he shot himself in the head but could not die so he just forgot and did it again and again and forever again. The devil is God's gunsmith. So there you have it Michael
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Post by sharon on Apr 1, 2011 20:36:04 GMT -5
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Post by michaelsees on Apr 1, 2011 20:59:00 GMT -5
Oh no Sharon I had to take you off my iggy list for a moment cuz you posted on my thread and now I see you put some Brit stuff on it. Yikes Ok confession I will not go through my long list on why I hate the Brits. I have one very good friend who is a Brit though I am sure he's a transplant. Brits have no idea what comedy is, there food is horrific I mean blood sausage. The only good thing about tea time is High Tea which is booze minus the bloodly sausage and no tea. The dramas from the BBC go on forever making you beg for something interesting to happen then you just fall asleep. There 2 biggest holidays are boxing day and the Queen now boxing the Queen day I would celebrate. When I come to think of it the only thing I liked in England were the Roman baths in the town of Bath but the sad part is the Brits still do not have them working yet!
So please no more Brit youtube on me thread(grin)
Michael
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Post by sharon on Apr 2, 2011 4:55:08 GMT -5
This was the more interesting confession.
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Post by ladyhawk on Apr 2, 2011 9:25:19 GMT -5
Yikes, Michael.. maybe I should head for the door as I am a Brit..lol I didn't know we had such a terrible reputation.. Ok, let me try to think of something nice, to even up the negative reputation we have. We have Sunday Roasts and Apple Pie and crumble (though I am a vegetarian ) We have fish and chips.. we have beautiful scenary and history. We are friendly, funny yes we have our sense of humour, but so does every other country in the world.. We have the NHS, so we look after everyone young and old and we love animals.
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