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Post by m on Nov 28, 2010 14:48:49 GMT -5
Thank's all of you now I understand... no ... thing ! m
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Post by michaelsees on Nov 28, 2010 14:56:58 GMT -5
Enigma and ZD, Yeah sure you guys are great at deflection I say. Buttons are here but you made me look. I am very busy now making my own Voodoo dolls so watch out guys I'm on to you now! Michael with 1 lousy Karma point and the new guy has 2. If I wasn't awaken I would leave I tell you I would leave!
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Post by enigma on Nov 28, 2010 15:16:48 GMT -5
Well, the buttons are back, and I figure I was temporarily transported to an alternate reality, but I'm back and everything's fine now.
Don't play all innocent with me you.....Mr Voodoo....non-person....you. I'm not convinced by :::OUCH!:::: your plausible ::::OUCH!!::: denial of ::::OUCH!!!:::: Okay, okay, here's a karma point! Stop poking me already!!
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Post by enigma on Nov 28, 2010 15:23:45 GMT -5
Enigma and ZD, Yeah sure you guys are great at deflection I say. Buttons are here but you made me look. I am very busy now making my own Voodoo dolls so watch out guys I'm on to you now! Michael with 1 lousy Karma point and the new guy has 2. If I wasn't awaken I would leave I tell you I would leave! Well, yeah, not much chance of winning the karma car competition at this late date, but the Voodoo dolls are working for Zen so I'm sure we'll be seeing some changes.
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Post by michaelsees on Nov 28, 2010 15:55:50 GMT -5
My Vodoo dolls manufacturing Altar michael
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Post by enigma on Nov 28, 2010 16:43:19 GMT -5
Okay, first little pin prick I feel, I'm giving you a karma point! There it is!.................No, wait........that's indigestion. Nevermind.
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Post by michaelsees on Nov 28, 2010 17:06:04 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D
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Post by Peter on Nov 29, 2010 11:39:40 GMT -5
Well, the buttons are back, and I figure I was temporarily transported to an alternate reality, but I'm back and everything's fine now. You don't just get to smite and exalt willy nilly you know. When you hit one of those buttons they disappear for - I think - an hour. I've decided Enigma can't possibly be British - leaving himself open to "feeling a little prick" like that. P
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Post by enigma on Nov 29, 2010 12:21:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I achieved that realization when Zen forced me to give him a karma point using his Voodoo dolls. I was transported into that other dimension again for a while and it all made sense.
No, we in the states do sniggle a bit at 'little pricks' but not generally beyond grade school so much. No offense meant. I understand different cultures give different connotations to words. I like to think of myself as a big prick. ::::Sniggle, sniggle::::::
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Post by m on Dec 1, 2010 6:10:48 GMT -5
Enigma: What's the point in emptying the mind? what's wrong (if anything wrong) with content? What is the nearest I know about that which looks like "awareness without content is "faith". and , of course this knowing is content. m Good discussion. To the extent that some kind of proof is offered or accepted based on experience or logical argument, i would call this mental fantasy. To the extent that some identifiable Truth is actually found or known, I would also call this fantasy. What is imagined can be revealed for the imagination it is, since it is happening in the mind and is not hidden. Once mind is emptied of this content there is no mind, since it is merely this content. What remains is emptiness; space, and there is awareness of this. Mind, of course, is looking for something.
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Post by zendancer on Dec 1, 2010 8:54:29 GMT -5
M: Look around in silence. What do you see? If you are silent, you will see "what is" without name or form--the actual. What you see in silence is the truth. One might imagine that I am someone sitting in front of a computer in an office, but this is imagination. In silence the non-dual does what it does in utter emptiness. No "things" are seen, only a dynamic suchness. In silence there is no one who sees anything (any thing). All is empty and obvious. This has nothing to do with faith; it is direct seeing--pure awareness with no distinction or cognition.
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Post by m on Dec 1, 2010 9:55:57 GMT -5
ZD: Thank you for your message. I may need to say few things. * "faith", for me is without any content. Faith is not belief. actually if I were to pray I would say: "God, save me from beliefs and deepen my faith" * nothing ( no content, no idea, feelings, ..) can fill the emptyness and every and each content is empty. To be in "emptiness" is not to be physicaly or psychologically dead. As i believe, you, and enigma, know, to be silent is not to be mute. No sound ever make any difference if you stay and remain in Silence. On the other hand, the only way I know to remain without any subjective content is to be dead. Even if i am not enlightened I suspect to be enlightened is not to be dead. otherwise how could I chop woods, drink water and type on this forum. What I said in the former post was much more for the non-posting people reading this forum. some may come to believe to meditate is to kind of manipulate or disturb life as it goes. Do you think I am hallucinating ? m Enigma: What's the point in emptying the mind? what's wrong (if anything wrong) with content? What is the nearest I know about that which looks like "awareness without content is "faith". and , of course this knowing is content. m Good discussion. To the extent that some kind of proof is offered or accepted based on experience or logical argument, i would call this mental fantasy. To the extent that some identifiable Truth is actually found or known, I would also call this fantasy. What is imagined can be revealed for the imagination it is, since it is happening in the mind and is not hidden. Once mind is emptied of this content there is no mind, since it is merely this content. What remains is emptiness; space, and there is awareness of this. Mind, of course, is looking for something.
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Post by enigma on Dec 1, 2010 11:25:32 GMT -5
What I was trying to say is that Truth isn't knowledge but it can seemingly be hidden by knowledge. If Truth isn't knowledge, mind can't find it and doesn't need to. For example, the idea that awareness without some idea about it is faith, is the obscuring of the obvious with ideas. Clearly you are aware, right? Do you have to have faith to be aware that you are aware? You don't have to be aware of some content in order to be aware. How can your own awareness be hidden from you such that you have to go out looking for it in some content? If there is no content, what is aware of that? Enigma: What's the point in emptying the mind? what's wrong (if anything wrong) with content? What is the nearest I know about that which looks like "awareness without content is "faith". and , of course this knowing is content. m Good discussion. To the extent that some kind of proof is offered or accepted based on experience or logical argument, i would call this mental fantasy. To the extent that some identifiable Truth is actually found or known, I would also call this fantasy. What is imagined can be revealed for the imagination it is, since it is happening in the mind and is not hidden. Once mind is emptied of this content there is no mind, since it is merely this content. What remains is emptiness; space, and there is awareness of this. Mind, of course, is looking for something.
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Post by enigma on Dec 1, 2010 11:37:10 GMT -5
""faith", for me is without any content. Faith is not belief."
To me, faith is belief without need for evidence.
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Post by m on Dec 1, 2010 11:57:23 GMT -5
Enigma : Forget about my word " faith" It does mean the same thing for you ( belief without need for evidence) and me ( Awareness without content; "not-knowing" in a buddhist translation). We don't need to get lost in semantics. if words make it more difficult to communicate, then let's drop them. I don't have any difficulty with what you say. Where I am awareness cannot be hidden (even if I happen to believe so) and awareness has no content ( even if there is content). m
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