Post by zendancer on Nov 18, 2010 20:10:52 GMT -5
Nov 18, 2010 18:41:43 GMT -5 @michaelsees said:
Yes but the thinking process is still working the only change is no person there but is not this just a intellectual thing. As you know so much of nonduality today is similar to EST or Landmark . The idea of getting it through the intellect. I dare say most folks that feel they are awaken feel this way because the intellect has put all the puzzle pieces together and they now truly believe they have awaken.As example pretend I am fully awaken and realized. I sit down to watch a football game. I see the playing going on, I also think that was the wrong play they should have gone to the outside etc.
The only difference is there is no ownership as if looked within there is no person or thinker?
Michael
Yes, that's correct. Thinking continues without the thinker. There can be cheering for one football team or another, reflection about the plays that were called, and judgments about the calls made by the referees, but there is no one behind all of that activity.
If the understanding of oneness remains solely intellectual, there will be some degree of "distance" between the thinker and the thought, some subtle identification as a "someone" having various experiences. After the structure of thought supporting the sense of separateness collapses, there is no identification with anything other than the totality of "what is." In fact, the deeper truth is that there is no identification with anything; the identifying function being recognized as one step removed from "being what is." IOW, when a teacher, like Nisargadatta, says, "I am THAT," he is only saying those words to point students to the truth. In this sense Ramana's silence is more powerful and more direct. As Zen Master Seung Sahn used to say, "If you open your mouth, you've already made a mistake!" LOL
A point probably worth making is that "non-abidance in the mind" does not mean that there is never any thinking; it means that the mind is no longer dominant as a determinant of how the cosmos is perceived (ie. from the viewpoint of a separate individual). It no longer has the power to pull the wool over one's eyes. One who no longer abides in the mind can see both the real and the imaginary, and can clearly differentiate between the two, but there is no sense that there is a "me" involved in either the seeing or the differentiating.