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Post by Portto on Oct 19, 2010 20:35:43 GMT -5
Nice posts, ZD! One more and you get to 1K !
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Post by question on Oct 19, 2010 20:41:35 GMT -5
Nice posts, ZD! One more and you get to 1K ! Haha, the 1k post better be special. Tell us the secret of all secrets, ZD!
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Post by zendancer on Oct 19, 2010 21:46:51 GMT -5
Nice posts, ZD! One more and you get to 1K ! Haha, the 1k post better be special. Tell us the secret of all secrets, ZD! Okay. Here is the secret of all secrets......... (drumroll followed by rapt anticipation). There is no secret! Whew! I'm glad to get that over with. Thanks for giving me an escape hatch.
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Post by loverofall on Oct 20, 2010 21:54:06 GMT -5
Anyone when looking at people be able to shift to where they freak you out and look like an animated creature. Thats the best way I could explain it. I would guess I am really seeing clearly the human and not the filtered image. Its freaky or funny at times. I notice all the details and imperfections and it seems crazy that what they are talking about is as important as they are acting. It seems to happen more and more lately. If you have experienced it you will know what I mean.
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Post by charliegee on Oct 20, 2010 22:18:34 GMT -5
I get that in the auditory sense where any conversation I happen to overhear seems to be a play, a production, not real in any sense except to the creators themselves. So surreal.
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Post by Portto on Oct 20, 2010 23:08:20 GMT -5
Okay. Here is the secret of all secrets......... (drumroll followed by rapt anticipation). There is no secret! No individual likes that...
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Post by zendancer on Oct 20, 2010 23:29:49 GMT -5
Okay. Here is the secret of all secrets......... (drumroll followed by rapt anticipation). There is no secret! No individual likes that... Porto: Yes, that reminds me of a great story. A Zen student got angry at his Zen Master and told him that he was leaving his monastery. The ZM asked him why he was so angry. The student said, "I've been here for two years and you've never in all that time revealed to me the secret truth." The teacher feigned astonishment and said, "How can you say that? When you called my name, didn't I answer? When it was time to wash the dishes, didn't I hand you the dishrag? And when you bowed to me, didn't I return your bow?" Upon hearing these words the student had a significant enlightenment experience. The truth is so obvious that it is constantly overlooked.
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Post by Portto on Oct 21, 2010 11:46:40 GMT -5
Good story, ZD. Indeed, most of the time we are looking for something else.
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Post by question on Oct 21, 2010 14:28:13 GMT -5
Anyone when looking at people be able to shift to where they freak you out and look like an animated creature. Thats the best way I could explain it. I would guess I am really seeing clearly the human and not the filtered image. Its freaky or funny at times. I notice all the details and imperfections and it seems crazy that what they are talking about is as important as they are acting. It seems to happen more and more lately. If you have experienced it you will know what I mean. Yeah, 24/7 since at least my early teens. We spoke about this with Karen and ZD mentioned it before. It's almost like living through a sci-fi movie, everything and everyone seems extremely alien. It got really freaky when even my parents looked like aliens (although of course they looked the same as always), it was almost the same as losing one's home. Then of course I was applying it to myself and this is where things got really disturbing, one time it heightened itself to an extreme sense of angst that I don't really want to experience again. The experience for me is paradoxical since although there is a strong sense of alienation towards what once was very familiar, simultaneously I started to experience a much greater sense of intimacy and compassion for everything and everyone. This recognition was actually what started the development that eventually brought me here. I tried to talk with others about this, but nobody understood. So in order to find out what was going on I started reading philosophy and was looked for thinkers with a similar experience and eventually found my way to nonduality because it's in people who are involved in nonduality that I recognise this feeling to be reflected more clearly than anywhere else. It's great that you brought it up, I'd really love to find out more about it.
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Post by zendancer on Oct 21, 2010 14:55:10 GMT -5
Hey, it even happens with words. Have you ever spoken a word and sensed how truly weird the sound of it is? That such a sound could communicate such and such a meaning? It's as odd as the word "odd" is. I started this thread dealing with one aspect of the mystery, but everything is a mystery. Only someone in construction can appreciate some of the really strange things that happen. Sometimes a knowledge of materials science helps give insight, but sometimes things are so strange that I just tell people its a mystery. I built a ceramic lap pool for a lady five years ago. Chrome rails were mounted around the edge of the pool held in place with locking sleeves. We had to hammer the rails into the sockets before tightening the locking bolts. A few weeks ago one end of one rail exploded in the middle of the night--literally blew out of the eight-inch thick concrete embedded stainless steel sleeve taking a hunk of ceramic with it. I know of no physical process that could do this although there must be one. An employee pushed the rail back into the sleeve with no pressure, but this morning I could not move the thing despite bashing on it with rubber mallets with a hydraulic jack and two men using a long lever. I finally gave up and told the lady it was a mystery. LOL. She asked if it could happen again, and I said, "sure, but hopefully it won't." IMO the whole thing was rather ODD.
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Post by klaus on Oct 21, 2010 19:58:58 GMT -5
I've had similar experiences through the years. Seems like a partial seeing through the illusion. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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