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Post by Peter on Nov 13, 2008 7:22:48 GMT -5
I had an interesting conversation this morning which gave me much food for thought. I was reminded that all things serve a purpose, which is why I'm continuing to respond to Swami Lord Collins. Robustly. Sophia said that he may be shocking and trying us deliberately. If so, I can't say I find that useful since my work and children are already filling the role of "having your patience tested as a spiritual practice" quite sufficiently.
Anyway, out of the back of my morning's conversation I'll ask Swami this: Are you satisfied as to my sincerity?
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Post by lightmystic on Nov 13, 2008 11:21:45 GMT -5
I like what you're saying Peter. Swami has certainly shown himself to be a lonely, angry, man who is missing the attention that he needs, but that doesn't mean that there is no value in talking to him. Far from it. He represents a part of us. If we can learn to genuinely appreciate that part, then I think we'll be in a good place.
He talks his talk but seems to have no ability to recognize that in others. It's a very dogmatic, specific, limited view of freedom. Rudeness and anger don't really make sense in light of being posessed by the freedom. There is plenty of times that even those who get it find something new that needs to be integrated, but that integration happens over time. There is the concept of an Enlightened mind, that can see past the confusion enough to talk about it, but is still putting stock in the relative. THIS is right, THAT is wrong, THIS is limiting, THAT is not, etc.. I see it as a gentle relaxing into that integration and the heart begins to sing. That is my personal experience as That Beyond All starts to permeate All.
To me Swami represents the spiritual ego. There is nothing wrong with the spiritual ego. It's a scary place to be stuck and almost impossible to move out of once dwelling in it, because the belief is that the learning process is over. There's nothing more to know, and yet the discomfort and unhappiness continues, and this is labeled nonduality, or something beyond nonduality and noduality, or whatever.
I sincerely love our Swami, as spiritual ego is all part of it. It cannot be removed from life itself. Nothing can, but it can be appreciated as part of me, and that is what is dawning. Swami is giving us constant gifts, and we are all finding our way towards more together, intentionally or inadvertently. I'm not saying that there is perfect acceptance of spiritual ego right now, but it's dawning, and so far it's been a truly liberating thing for me.
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Post by commiejesus on Nov 13, 2008 11:35:48 GMT -5
Shocking to gain attention is self-serving and futile for spiritual growth. I think there is even a Bible quote for this but it escapes me, (well there is a Bible quote for practically everything under the sun, if one reads it correctly). He is here to test your patience and perseverence....  I like what you're saying Peter. Swami has certainly shown himself to be a lonely, angry, man who is missing the attention that he needs, but that doesn't mean that there is no value in talking to him. Far from it. He represents a part of us. If we can learn to genuinely appreciate that part, then I think we'll be in a good place. He talks his talk but seems to have no ability to recognize that in others. It's a very dogmatic, specific, limited view of freedom. Rudeness and anger don't really make sense in light of being posessed by the freedom. There is plenty of times that even those who get it find something new that needs to be integrated, but that integration happens over time. There is the concept of an Enlightened mind, that can see past the confusion enough to talk about it, but is still putting stock in the relative. THIS is right, THAT is wrong, THIS is limiting, THAT is not, etc.. I see it as a gentle relaxing into that integration and the heart begins to sing. That is my personal experience as That Beyond All starts to permeate All. To me Swami represents the spiritual ego. There is nothing wrong with the spiritual ego. It's a scary place to be stuck and almost impossible to move out of once dwelling in it, because the belief is that the learning process is over. There's nothing more to know, and yet the discomfort and unhappiness continues, and this is labeled nonduality, or something beyond nonduality and noduality, or whatever. I sincerely love our Swami, as spiritual ego is all part of it. It cannot be removed from life itself. Nothing can, but it can be appreciated as part of me, and that is what is dawning. Swami is giving us constant gifts, and we are all finding our way towards more together, intentionally or inadvertently. I'm not saying that there is perfect acceptance of spiritual ego right now, but it's dawning, and so far it's been a truly liberating thing for me. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 26, 2013 2:37:35 GMT -5
I was reminded that all things serve a purpose Is purpose important? |
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Post by Peter on Jun 27, 2013 4:57:09 GMT -5
I was reminded that all things serve a purpose Is purpose important? Wow, this thread was a blast from the past. Were you looking up how the board was in it's early days? That Swami guy was our first blow up - he came on the board saying he was working with 100% BRAIN BLOOD OXYGINATION, and left saying that he had reported me to the FBI and that I should be locked up for transmitting a virus to his computer. I think that, since 2008, I'm finding purpose less important. This idea that we should all "achieve" something in our lives seems like it's - in part - driven by people failing to properly consider their mortality and place in the universe. On the other hand, progress does have it's merits - not having the majority of your children die before they reach maturity for example. There's a soliloquy in one of the later Hitchhiker books that came to mind: |
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 27, 2013 7:45:06 GMT -5
I was reminded that all things serve a purpose Is purpose important? Talent presupposes purpose...at least on the phenomenal level. Can't imagine Life without a good auto mechanic or plumber or candlestick maker. Seems everyone is born to do something. Given the madness of society, however, discovering what you love to do and doing it is another issue). If these guys weren't born to sing I do not know who was. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 8:23:00 GMT -5
Sophia said that he may be shocking and trying us deliberately. If so, I can't say I find that useful since my work and children are already filling the role of "having your patience tested as a spiritual practice" quite sufficiently.quote] Well, hey, Peter. Looks like we have quite a bit in common after all. You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until you're a grandfather. Chapter One: Your Children Decide to Reinvent Parenting  |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 27, 2013 10:21:50 GMT -5
Wow, this thread was a blast from the past. Were you looking up how the board was in it's early days? That Swami guy was our first blow up - he came on the board saying he was working with 100% BRAIN BLOOD OXYGINATION, and left saying that he had reported me to the FBI and that I should be locked up for transmitting a virus to his computer. I think that, since 2008, I'm finding purpose less important. This idea that we should all "achieve" something in our lives seems like it's - in part - driven by people failing to properly consider their mortality and place in the universe. On the other hand, progress does have it's merits - not having the majority of your children die before they reach maturity for example. There's a soliloquy in one of the later Hitchhiker books that came to mind: The question about purpose is one of those existential questions. A misconceived question. |
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Post by Beingist on Jun 27, 2013 10:33:31 GMT -5
Wow, this thread was a blast from the past. Were you looking up how the board was in it's early days? That Swami guy was our first blow up - he came on the board saying he was working with 100% BRAIN BLOOD OXYGINATION, and left saying that he had reported me to the FBI and that I should be locked up for transmitting a virus to his computer. I think that, since 2008, I'm finding purpose less important. This idea that we should all "achieve" something in our lives seems like it's - in part - driven by people failing to properly consider their mortality and place in the universe. On the other hand, progress does have it's merits - not having the majority of your children die before they reach maturity for example. There's a soliloquy in one of the later Hitchhiker books that came to mind: The question about purpose is one of those existential questions. A misconceived question. A question might be based on a misconception, but no question is misconceived. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 27, 2013 10:36:12 GMT -5
The question about purpose is one of those existential questions. A misconceived question. A question might be based on a misconception, but no question is misconceived. The question about purpose is misconceived. |
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Post by Beingist on Jun 27, 2013 10:37:22 GMT -5
A question might be based on a misconception, but no question is misconceived. The question about purpose is misconceived. The question about purpose might be based on a misconception, but no question is misconceived. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 27, 2013 10:38:49 GMT -5
The question about purpose is misconceived. The question about purpose might be based on a misconception, but no question is misconceived. The question about purpose - as all other existential questions - is misconceived. Deal with it. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 27, 2013 10:48:33 GMT -5
The question about purpose might be based on a misconception, but no question is misconceived. The question about purpose - as all other existential questions - is misconceived. Deal with it. "When you are dead earnest, you bend every incident, every second of your life to your purpose. You do not waste time and energy on other things." I Am That pg 119 NISARGADATTA MAHARAJ |
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Post by Peter on Jun 27, 2013 10:50:54 GMT -5
The question about purpose might be based on a misconception, but no question is misconceived. The question about purpose - as all other existential questions - is misconceived. Deal with it. Perhaps a paragraph explaining why you believe this to be so, rather than just telling someone they're wrong? |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 27, 2013 10:51:55 GMT -5
The question about purpose - as all other existential questions - is misconceived. Deal with it. "When you are dead earnest, you bend every incident, every second of your life to your purpose. You do not waste time and energy on other things." I Am That pg 119 NISARGADATTA MAHARAJ What is that supposed to mean? |
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