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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2022 6:20:55 GMT -5
Yea, I don't have children or therefore grandchildren - never even married - so can't really relate with that, but I imagine it's wonderful, and handsome little devil ^ to be sure. Why so? Why didn't you marry? Yea, I don't have children or therefore grandchildren - never even married - so can't really relate with that, but I imagine it's wonderful, and handsome little devil ^ to be sure. This reply has created a little sadness in me. Well, that's funny, Gopal. Isn't everyone 'stamped' a certain way, according to you? And if Lolly is stamped that way, what else could he possibly do? |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 6:32:56 GMT -5
Why so? Why didn't you marry? This reply has created a little sadness in me. Well, that's funny, Gopal. Isn't everyone 'stamped' a certain way, according to you? And if Lolly is stamped that way, what else could he possibly do? That's the primary reason stamping was done.
Don't you see people are conditioned to behave in a certain way in your life? I am pretty sure you must have seen it but only thing you might not have observed is that that stamping was done purposefully. You create your sphere of experience, consciously or unconsciously, but you are doing it.
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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2022 9:03:31 GMT -5
Well, that's funny, Gopal. Isn't everyone 'stamped' a certain way, according to you? And if Lolly is stamped that way, what else could he possibly do? That's the primary reason stamping was done.
Don't you see people are conditioned to behave in a certain way in your life? I am pretty sure you must have seen it but only thing you might not have observed is that that stamping was done purposefully. You create your sphere of experience, consciously or unconsciously, but you are doing it.
You're not wrong! I've noticed that you come back again and again to ST, even though you hate it. The only reasonable explanation seems to be that you must be stamped that way.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 10:12:55 GMT -5
That's the primary reason stamping was done.
Don't you see people are conditioned to behave in a certain way in your life? I am pretty sure you must have seen it but only thing you might not have observed is that that stamping was done purposefully. You create your sphere of experience, consciously or unconsciously, but you are doing it.
You're not wrong! I've noticed that you come back again and again to ST, even though you hate it. The only reasonable explanation seems to be that you must be stamped that way. If you are not interested, I am okay with that . |
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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2022 10:20:37 GMT -5
You're not wrong! I've noticed that you come back again and again to ST, even though you hate it. The only reasonable explanation seems to be that you must be stamped that way.  If you are not interested, I am okay with that . Just having some fun with you. Nothing serious going on here.  I am actually interested in the details of your model of reality. How far does the stamping go? How specific is it? Where is your freedom in that model? Are there any unknowns? If by stamping you mean predetermination, then there isn't any freedom, is there? If by stamping you just mean a general tragectory, I may actually agree with you there. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 10:33:13 GMT -5
If you are not interested, I am okay with that . Just having some fun with you. Nothing serious going on here.  I am actually interested in the details of your model of reality. How far does the stamping go? How specific is it? Where is your freedom in that model? Are there any unknowns? If by stamping you mean predetermination, then there isn't any freedom, is there? If by stamping you just mean a general tragectory, I may actually agree with you there. Actually I don't have any model, I mostly write what I observe from my personal life.
I don't know whether it is predetermined or not.
I see everybody is stamped to perform a role, I know you would not agree if I write this way, that's why I am asking a question as to do you believe every single person is conditioned to behave in a certain way? There is something called deliberate reality creation, you could use it to create something in your reality to see what happens, If you just affirm 'I am experiencing the Love', you automatically create the reality in which you find very lovable people and this love attracts hate so you attract some other people to hate, and you could clearly see the truth about how their conditioning plays out a perfect role for love and hate.
But we can't create anything permanently using this deliberate creation because what we create gets collapsed once we stop using our technique(here it is affirmation), Once you stop your affirmation both people will be moved away.
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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2022 11:16:46 GMT -5
Just having some fun with you. Nothing serious going on here. I am actually interested in the details of your model of reality. How far does the stamping go? How specific is it? Where is your freedom in that model? Are there any unknowns? If by stamping you mean predetermination, then there isn't any freedom, is there? If by stamping you just mean a general tragectory, I may actually agree with you there. Actually I don't have any model, I mostly write what I observe from my personal life.
I don't know whether it is predetermined or not.
I see everybody is stamped to perform a role, I know you would not agree if I write this way, that's why I am asking a question as to do you believe every single person is conditioned to behave in a certain way? There is something called deliberate reality creation, you could use it to create something in your reality to see what happens, If you just affirm 'I am experiencing the Love', you automatically create the reality in which you find very lovable people and this love attracts hate so you attract some other people to hate, and you could clearly see the truth about how their conditioning plays out a perfect role for love and hate.
But we can't create anything permanently using this deliberate creation because what we create gets collapsed once we stop using our technique(here it is affirmation), Once you stop your affirmation both people will be moved away.
Okay, fair enough. But how do you distinguish between fact and opinion then? That's a very important point. I was always assuming you believed in predetermination. Because if you would believe in predetermination, then any talk about deliberate creation would be ultimately meaningless, even though it may be predetermined that you think and feel you create your own reality and whatever you perceive reinforces that belief. But since it all happens in the larger context of predetermination, it would only be a simulation of deliberate creation, not actual deliberate creation. So we have to get very clear about this point. I don't really know what 'conditioned' means here. Conditioning usually refers to something learned, like habitual modes of behavior or thinking that we acquire over time via socialization, and that's not set in stone, that can be changed or undone anytime. And if that's what you mean, then I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you here. If by conditioning you should refer to something more static and fundamental, like a specific predisposition or bent of mind or personality type, body type etc. that we have more or less from birth then I think most can agree with you there as well. Even if by conditioning you should mean something like fate, or a mission or a specific purpose in life, depending on how specific you see it, I'd even agree with you here. So what does 'conditioning' mean? |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 11:41:35 GMT -5
Actually I don't have any model, I mostly write what I observe from my personal life.
I don't know whether it is predetermined or not.
I see everybody is stamped to perform a role, I know you would not agree if I write this way, that's why I am asking a question as to do you believe every single person is conditioned to behave in a certain way? There is something called deliberate reality creation, you could use it to create something in your reality to see what happens, If you just affirm 'I am experiencing the Love', you automatically create the reality in which you find very lovable people and this love attracts hate so you attract some other people to hate, and you could clearly see the truth about how their conditioning plays out a perfect role for love and hate.
But we can't create anything permanently using this deliberate creation because what we create gets collapsed once we stop using our technique(here it is affirmation), Once you stop your affirmation both people will be moved away.
Okay, fair enough. But how do you distinguish between fact and opinion then? That's a very important point. I was always assuming you believed in predetermination. Because if you would believe in predetermination, then any talk about deliberate creation would be ultimately meaningless, even though it may be predetermined that you think and feel you create your own reality and whatever you perceive reinforces that belief. But since it all happens in the larger context of predetermination, it would only be a simulation of deliberate creation, not actual deliberate creation. So we have to get very clear about this point. I don't really know what 'conditioned' means here. Conditioning usually refers to something learned, like habitual modes of behavior or thinking that we acquire over time via socialization, and that's not set in stone, that can be changed or undone anytime. And if that's what you mean, then I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you here. If by conditioning you should refer to something more static and fundamental, like a specific predisposition or bent of mind or personality type, body type etc. that we have more or less from birth then I think most can agree with you there as well. Even if by conditioning you should mean something like fate, or a mission or a specific purpose in life, depending on how specific you see it, I'd even agree with you here. So what does 'conditioning' mean? To the second paragraph, yes you are right. Deliberate creation is not really deliberate creation if it is predetermined. To the third paragraph, everybody knows that there is a conditioning involved but when we know clarity removes those people who are specially conditioned people(who can only perform that role) from our life we can know that that is not really conditioning but stamping. |
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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2022 12:44:55 GMT -5
Okay, fair enough. But how do you distinguish between fact and opinion then? That's a very important point. I was always assuming you believed in predetermination. Because if you would believe in predetermination, then any talk about deliberate creation would be ultimately meaningless, even though it may be predetermined that you think and feel you create your own reality and whatever you perceive reinforces that belief. But since it all happens in the larger context of predetermination, it would only be a simulation of deliberate creation, not actual deliberate creation. So we have to get very clear about this point. I don't really know what 'conditioned' means here. Conditioning usually refers to something learned, like habitual modes of behavior or thinking that we acquire over time via socialization, and that's not set in stone, that can be changed or undone anytime. And if that's what you mean, then I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you here. If by conditioning you should refer to something more static and fundamental, like a specific predisposition or bent of mind or personality type, body type etc. that we have more or less from birth then I think most can agree with you there as well. Even if by conditioning you should mean something like fate, or a mission or a specific purpose in life, depending on how specific you see it, I'd even agree with you here. So what does 'conditioning' mean? To the second paragraph, yes you are right. Deliberate creation is not really deliberate creation if it is predetermined. To the third paragraph, everybody knows that there is a conditioning involved but when we know clarity removes those people who are specially conditioned people(who can only perform that role) from our life we can know that that is not really conditioning but stamping. Okay I think I get what you mean, you probably see it in the LOA context, right? What is happening in your experience is a reflection of your state of being. So if there are consistently rude people showing up in your experience that treat you unfairly, then this may just be a reflection of how you see and treat yourself or what you think you really deserve. So if you are in a crowd or standing in line somewhere and someone steps on your foot without apologizing and you pointing that out to him and he just walks away without even noticing you, you may see him as rude and feel treated unfairly. But he may not actually be a rude person, he was just showing that kind of behavior toward you in that exact moment because with your strong expectation about being treated unfairly by rude people and not deserving better, you were drawing that kind of behavior right out of him, even though it may be uncharacteristic for him. So in that sense, he had this function or role of being the rude one to play in that moment in your experience. And once you've cleared up those bogus beliefs about your own inadequacy or the unfairness of the world, these kind of situation will suddenly stop and rude people will disappear from your experience. Next time, instead of stepping on your foot, they step on the foot of the person standing next to you, or right in that moment when they are about to step on your foot, they may suddenly stop and turn around because they forgot something or get a phone call and run off into the distance. So, now the question is, how much of this did you create? Did you create this specific person with with let's say glasses and long hair and a red shirt that stepped on your foot or did you just create an openning, an opportuinity, a sitiuation for someone to step on your foot and that person with the red shirt and long hair was the one that was merely available to fulfill that role in that moment because he had something about carelessness going on in his vibration which made him a perfect match to what you have going on about rudeness? I think this is the point where we both are going to disagree. You probably go with the first version, i.e. you create your own reality and you are also the only creator there is. I go with the second version, i.e. you create your own realtiy, but there are also other creators who also create their own reality and sometimes you meet and co-create whenever you are a vibrational match. So in that sense, I can agree that people play some sort of role in the moment, because they are the best vibrational match in that moment to whatever you have going on vibrationally (as well as what they have going on and what makes them a perfect match). But as soon as your state of being changes, their role may change or they disappear. Or their state of being may change and then someone else will fill that role for them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 7:47:45 GMT -5
To the second paragraph, yes you are right. Deliberate creation is not really deliberate creation if it is predetermined. To the third paragraph, everybody knows that there is a conditioning involved but when we know clarity removes those people who are specially conditioned people(who can only perform that role) from our life we can know that that is not really conditioning but stamping. Okay I think I get what you mean, you probably see it in the LOA context, right? What is happening in your experience is a reflection of your state of being. So if there are consistently rude people showing up in your experience that treat you unfairly, then this may just be a reflection of how you see and treat yourself or what you think you really deserve. So if you are in a crowd or standing in line somewhere and someone steps on your foot without apologizing and you pointing that out to him and he just walks away without even noticing you, you may see him as rude and feel treated unfairly. But he may not actually be a rude person, he was just showing that kind of behavior toward you in that exact moment because with your strong expectation about being treated unfairly by rude people and not deserving better, you were drawing that kind of behavior right out of him, even though it may be uncharacteristic for him. So in that sense, he had this function or role of being the rude one to play in that moment in your experience. And once you've cleared up those bogus beliefs about your own inadequacy or the unfairness of the world, these kind of situation will suddenly stop and rude people will disappear from your experience. Next time, instead of stepping on your foot, they step on the foot of the person standing next to you, or right in that moment when they are about to step on your foot, they may suddenly stop and turn around because they forgot something or get a phone call and run off into the distance.
You are talking about the people those who appear in your life once and then they disappear. They are not part of your life, eh? That's not what I am talking about, I am talking about the people those who become part of your life. They carry the conditioning which is necessary for your expression.
People can't act in isolation. There is only one which is creating the reality. Everything moves as one. So there is no competition for you because other people are not acting separately to create something else other than what you wish for. People will agree with your reality as if people accept their president even though they haven't voted for him. |
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Post by Reefs on May 26, 2022 9:47:24 GMT -5
Okay I think I get what you mean, you probably see it in the LOA context, right? What is happening in your experience is a reflection of your state of being. So if there are consistently rude people showing up in your experience that treat you unfairly, then this may just be a reflection of how you see and treat yourself or what you think you really deserve. So if you are in a crowd or standing in line somewhere and someone steps on your foot without apologizing and you pointing that out to him and he just walks away without even noticing you, you may see him as rude and feel treated unfairly. But he may not actually be a rude person, he was just showing that kind of behavior toward you in that exact moment because with your strong expectation about being treated unfairly by rude people and not deserving better, you were drawing that kind of behavior right out of him, even though it may be uncharacteristic for him. So in that sense, he had this function or role of being the rude one to play in that moment in your experience. And once you've cleared up those bogus beliefs about your own inadequacy or the unfairness of the world, these kind of situation will suddenly stop and rude people will disappear from your experience. Next time, instead of stepping on your foot, they step on the foot of the person standing next to you, or right in that moment when they are about to step on your foot, they may suddenly stop and turn around because they forgot something or get a phone call and run off into the distance. You are talking about the people those who appear in your life once and then they disappear. They are not part of your life, eh? That's not what I am talking about, I am talking about the people those who become part of your life. They carry the conditioning which is necessary for your expression.
People can't act in isolation. There is only one which is creating the reality. Everything moves as one. So there is no competition for you because other people are not acting separately to create something else other than what you wish for. People will agree with your reality as if people accept their president even though they haven't voted for him. The same principle applies across the board, strangers or family and friends alike. Whatever shows up in your experience is a reflection of your state of being, and that applies to things and events as well as to people. This is an attraction based universe. Your state of being is your point of attraction which is directly linked to your field of awareness, or focus. So you have no power over other people and they have no power over you other than the power of influence (they can catch your attention), but since you cannot focus or think for them and they cannot focus or think for you, this means you can't create in their reality and they can't create in your reality. All you can do is co-create with them if you happen to focus on one and the same thing and are on a similar wavelength (aka vibrational match), which usually happens with family and friends for longer periods of time and with strangers only for short moments. But the principles at work are exactly the same. And they work in the exact same way for the enlightened ones as they do for the unenlightened ones. This has nothing to do with separation vs. oneness. Both the enlighted one and the unenlightend one have a body and a mind and are therefore to that extent subject to the laws of creation. After all, both the enlightened one and the unenlightened one can get angry, have to eat, go to the bathroom and answer when you call their name. So let's not mix contexts. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 10:28:00 GMT -5
You are talking about the people those who appear in your life once and then they disappear. They are not part of your life, eh? That's not what I am talking about, I am talking about the people those who become part of your life. They carry the conditioning which is necessary for your expression.
People can't act in isolation. There is only one which is creating the reality. Everything moves as one. So there is no competition for you because other people are not acting separately to create something else other than what you wish for. People will agree with your reality as if people accept their president even though they haven't voted for him. The same principle applies across the board, strangers or family and friends alike. Whatever shows up in your experience is a reflection of your state of being, and that applies to things and events as well as to people. This is an attraction based universe. Your state of being is your point of attraction which is directly linked to your field of awareness, or focus. So you have no power over other people and they have no power over you other than the power of influence (they can catch your attention), but since you cannot focus or think for them and they cannot focus or think for you, this means you can't create in their reality and they can't create in your reality. All you can do is co-create with them if you happen to focus on one and the same thing and are on a similar wavelength (aka vibrational match), which usually happens with family and friends for longer periods of time and with strangers only for short moments. But the principles at work are exactly the same. And they work in the exact same way for the enlightened ones as they do for the unenlightened ones. This has nothing to do with separation vs. oneness. Both the enlighted one and the unenlightend one have a body and a mind and are therefore to that extent subject to the laws of creation. After all, both the enlightened one and the unenlightened one can get angry, have to eat, go to the bathroom and answer when you call their name. So let's not mix contexts. If so, you don't believe the fact that we are all one consciousness? If we are all one consciousness, then how can individual create the reality?
how come there is a co-creation if we are all one consciousness?
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Post by Reefs on May 26, 2022 22:29:27 GMT -5
The same principle applies across the board, strangers or family and friends alike. Whatever shows up in your experience is a reflection of your state of being, and that applies to things and events as well as to people. This is an attraction based universe. Your state of being is your point of attraction which is directly linked to your field of awareness, or focus. So you have no power over other people and they have no power over you other than the power of influence (they can catch your attention), but since you cannot focus or think for them and they cannot focus or think for you, this means you can't create in their reality and they can't create in your reality. All you can do is co-create with them if you happen to focus on one and the same thing and are on a similar wavelength (aka vibrational match), which usually happens with family and friends for longer periods of time and with strangers only for short moments. But the principles at work are exactly the same. And they work in the exact same way for the enlightened ones as they do for the unenlightened ones. This has nothing to do with separation vs. oneness. Both the enlighted one and the unenlightend one have a body and a mind and are therefore to that extent subject to the laws of creation. After all, both the enlightened one and the unenlightened one can get angry, have to eat, go to the bathroom and answer when you call their name. So let's not mix contexts. If so, you don't believe the fact that we are all one consciousness? If we are all one consciousness, then how can individual create the reality?
how come there is a co-creation if we are all one consciousness?
I don't see how individual points of consciousness, or individualized points of perception would negate the idea of it all essentially being one consciousness. And strictly speaking, the individual doesn't create its reality directly, only indirectly, as an extension of Source. As an individual consciousness in human form you don't have the knowledge or mental capacity or power to keep your blood pumping and your hair growing or the earth moving around the sun. You wouldn't know where to start. That is taken care of from broader perspective. So in that sense, the individual doesn't make anything happen, Source makes everything happen. The individual is only a focal point for Source thru which the world can be experienced. Haven't you noticed that there is no real freedom in action? That the only freedom you ever have as an individual point of consciousness is where you put your attention? That's how you create. Whatever you focus on, Source focuses upon. And whatever Source focuses upon, it will flow energy toward and it will grow. So as an individual, your part in the manifestation game is to decide what you want to see Source energy flowed toward and then Source will supply the energy and make it happen. And that's how it works for every other individual point of consciousness. That's why once you get sloppy about your attention and focus, your experience will reflect that and if you are more a reactionary than a deliberate focuser, then you get these rollercoaster rides. Rollercoaster rides are very common, maybe even the norm among humans, but it doesn't have to be that way. Rollercoaster rides are optional. You could have as well smooth rides, like the animals in the wild. But for humans that takes a certain level of awareness that most are lacking. And so they come up with all kinds of bogus theories about how unwanted stuff and unwanted people keep showing up in their experience. From the individual perspective, there are myriads of individual creators and individual realities. But from the Source perspective, they are all just aspects of one reality. That's why, when you realize your own true nature, you also automatically realize the true nature of every-thing and every-one else. And if that's the case, the question if there are other perceivers apart from yourself will never even arise. Because that question can only arise from the perspective of separation. From the perspective of oneness, there are no others, there is only what you are, THIS. And there is no room whatsoever for any doubt or speculation. It is all perfectly self-evident. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 2:19:36 GMT -5
If so, you don't believe the fact that we are all one consciousness? If we are all one consciousness, then how can individual create the reality?
how come there is a co-creation if we are all one consciousness?
I don't see how individual points of consciousness, or individualized points of perception would negate the idea of it all essentially being one consciousness. And strictly speaking, the individual doesn't create its reality directly, only indirectly, as an extension of Source. As an individual consciousness in human form you don't have the knowledge or mental capacity or power to keep your blood pumping and your hair growing or the earth moving around the sun. You wouldn't know where to start. That is taken care of from broader perspective. So in that sense, the individual doesn't make anything happen, Source makes everything happen. The individual is only a focal point for Source thru which the world can be experienced. Haven't you noticed that there is no real freedom in action? That the only freedom you ever have as an individual point of consciousness is where you put your attention? That's how you create. Whatever you focus on, Source focuses upon. And whatever Source focuses upon, it will flow energy toward and it will grow. So as an individual, your part in the manifestation game is to decide what you want to see Source energy flowed toward and then Source will supply the energy and make it happen. And that's how it works for every other individual point of consciousness. That's why once you get sloppy about your attention and focus, your experience will reflect that and if you are more a reactionary than a deliberate focuser, then you get these rollercoaster rides. Rollercoaster rides are very common, maybe even the norm among humans, but it doesn't have to be that way. Rollercoaster rides are optional. You could have as well smooth rides, like the animals in the wild. But for humans that takes a certain level of awareness that most are lacking. And so they come up with all kinds of bogus theories about how unwanted stuff and unwanted people keep showing up in their experience. From the individual perspective, there are myriads of individual creators and individual realities. But from the Source perspective, they are all just aspects of one reality. That's why, when you realize your own true nature, you also automatically realize the true nature of every-thing and every-one else. And if that's the case, the question if there are other perceivers apart from yourself will never even arise. Because that question can only arise from the perspective of separation. From the perspective of oneness, there are no others, there is only what you are, THIS. And there is no room whatsoever for any doubt or speculation. It is all perfectly self-evident. I think we have a huge disagreement now. I thought you too believe in one consciousness so far. But you seems to be believing in some kind of source which is taking care of everything and there is a part which comes from the source which is actually individuated and the energy flows from the source to individuated aspect. But that's not One Consciousness.
If we are one consciousness, then individual can't create reality.
Roller coaster experience can't be avoided, Existence of other view point can never be known. But now I can make sense as to why you still believe that other people existence can be known, it's because you don't believe in one consciousness. Your theory is quite different.
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Post by Reefs on May 27, 2022 4:11:24 GMT -5
I don't see how individual points of consciousness, or individualized points of perception would negate the idea of it all essentially being one consciousness. And strictly speaking, the individual doesn't create its reality directly, only indirectly, as an extension of Source. As an individual consciousness in human form you don't have the knowledge or mental capacity or power to keep your blood pumping and your hair growing or the earth moving around the sun. You wouldn't know where to start. That is taken care of from broader perspective. So in that sense, the individual doesn't make anything happen, Source makes everything happen. The individual is only a focal point for Source thru which the world can be experienced. Haven't you noticed that there is no real freedom in action? That the only freedom you ever have as an individual point of consciousness is where you put your attention? That's how you create. Whatever you focus on, Source focuses upon. And whatever Source focuses upon, it will flow energy toward and it will grow. So as an individual, your part in the manifestation game is to decide what you want to see Source energy flowed toward and then Source will supply the energy and make it happen. And that's how it works for every other individual point of consciousness. That's why once you get sloppy about your attention and focus, your experience will reflect that and if you are more a reactionary than a deliberate focuser, then you get these rollercoaster rides. Rollercoaster rides are very common, maybe even the norm among humans, but it doesn't have to be that way. Rollercoaster rides are optional. You could have as well smooth rides, like the animals in the wild. But for humans that takes a certain level of awareness that most are lacking. And so they come up with all kinds of bogus theories about how unwanted stuff and unwanted people keep showing up in their experience. From the individual perspective, there are myriads of individual creators and individual realities. But from the Source perspective, they are all just aspects of one reality. That's why, when you realize your own true nature, you also automatically realize the true nature of every-thing and every-one else. And if that's the case, the question if there are other perceivers apart from yourself will never even arise. Because that question can only arise from the perspective of separation. From the perspective of oneness, there are no others, there is only what you are, THIS. And there is no room whatsoever for any doubt or speculation. It is all perfectly self-evident. I think we have a huge disagreement now. I thought you too believe in one consciousness so far. But you seems to be believing in some kind of source which is taking care of everything and there is a part which comes from the source which is actually individuated and the energy flows from the source to individuated aspect. But that's not One Consciousness.
If we are one consciousness, then individual can't create reality.
Roller coaster experience can't be avoided, Existence of other view point can never be known. But now I can make sense as to why you still believe that other people existence can be known, it's because you don't believe in one consciousness. Your theory is quite different.
Then what, according to you, is an individual? Who are you and who are all the other people in your experience that you interact with all the time? You have a wife and a child. Who or what are they? What do you know about them? You see, you can only be in doubt about the true nature of others if you and the others are separate. If you and the others are one, how could there be any doubt about their true nature? What you seem to be saying here is that you know who you are, that you have realized your own true nature, but you don't know who all the others are, you haven't realized their true nature, and so there is you and there are all the others you don't know much about except the aspects of them that appear to you, but as to what's behind that appearance, you don't know, you can only speculate. Is that right? If so, that's separation 101. That's not oneness consciousness. You say categorically that you cannot know if there are other perceivers. Why? If you think in terms of THIS, or Source or God, what could there possibly be that THIS/Source/God cannot know? If there is indeed something that THIS/Source/God cannot know, then does it still deserve to be called THIS/Source/God? Or said differently, if you put limits on the Infinite, is it still the Infinite? |
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