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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 1:16:44 GMT -5
Kenning? I think you mean knowing. Interestingly where I originated from in Scotland, to ken is a dialect which means to know or to understand, as in, do you ken what I'm saying?If you go into the surrender mode you don't need to start looking for illusions to see through. From the absolute perspective there is no doer but from the localized personal self perspective there is a doer so all one can say is that you are both doer and non doer as you are both limited and unlimited. Maybe if he used a kenning such as 'ken-ing', that would work? Something else one could say is that the doer is an illusion.
Not because of that! Because any action you take, that's again an incipient engenderment which is a doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 1:18:53 GMT -5
On the contrary, it's the easiest thing you can do. But you have to keep on doing it. If you try and push a heavy object with one push you won't succeed but if you relax and then go back with another push it will start to move. Even in those terms surrender is not the 'easiest thing you can do'. It would be nothing but a Sisyphus shuffle. Surrender is not a doing but rather an expression of one's state of being, which changes only as a function of clarity. That state of being does not change through an act of will or practice. You cannot, and have not, surrendered that way. Surrender is not the result of winning the battle between struggle and surrender, it is losing interest in both and walking off the battlefield. It is an undoing. Affirmative, that's what I designated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 1:21:00 GMT -5
''cerebrate'', ''descry'', ''abaft''..... My own dictionary is getting a workout! I particularly enjoyed this... ''I concur that this question doesn't come to a mundane man'' I searched MR Google for an alternate definition of abaft to no avail. His dictionary may have led him a bit abeam on that one. Abaft=Beyond.
I have even thought of in my dream that one day I would be edifying you lexica. Thank God!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 1:25:33 GMT -5
Correct. It is not a doing which is why it's the easiest thing to do. π If that's true, why did you write that it took 30 years of meditation before you awakened? That doesn't sound like surrendering was the easiest thing to do. That must be the good Question!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 1:29:35 GMT -5
Yes. It is impossible to either do or not do via individual effort. It either happens or it doesn't happen, but it certainly can't be willed. No it cannot be willed which is why it's the easiest thing to do. Sitting in meditation and bringing the focus to the present moment is a marginally doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 1:44:56 GMT -5
Not only when I am in office, even while I am infront of her, I am not sure whether she exist because I have no way to know her existence. Yes, I am thinking about her sometimes because there is a deep down assumption in me that says to me that she is real.
if she exists, where is she when you are in the office? She must be an another view point so she can't exist somewhere in the world, world is appearing to her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 1:46:17 GMT -5
Not only when I am in office, even while I am infront of her, I am not sure whether she exist because I have no way to know her existence. Yes, I am thinking about her sometimes because there is a deep down assumption in me that says to me that she is real.
if she doesn't exist, where is she when you are looking at her? She must be mere appearance which I am creating while I am perceiving.
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Post by satchitananda on Jan 11, 2020 1:50:09 GMT -5
If that's true, why did you write that it took 30 years of meditation before you awakened? That doesn't sound like surrendering was the easiest thing to do. That must be the good Question! Surrendering is easy. I got that on Day One. But there's a big difference between having a temporary experience or glimpse of that unchanging reality and becoming permanently established in it which usually takes many years of practice. The meaning of full awakening has been completely devalued by those who mistake intellectual understanding of non-duality writings for the direct experience.
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Post by satchitananda on Jan 11, 2020 1:55:11 GMT -5
No it cannot be willed which is why it's the easiest thing to do. Sitting in meditation and bringing the focus to the present moment is a marginally doing. I don't understand what you mean.
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Post by satchitananda on Jan 11, 2020 1:59:37 GMT -5
Correct. It is not a doing which is why it's the easiest thing to do. π If that's true, why did you write that it took 30 years of meditation before you awakened? That doesn't sound like surrendering was the easiest thing to do. Q: "How long should one practice? RM: Until the mind attains effortlessly its natural state of freedom from concepts, that is till the sense of βIβ and βmineβ exists no longer." Ramana Maharshi
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Post by zendancer on Jan 11, 2020 3:09:47 GMT -5
If that's true, why did you write that it took 30 years of meditation before you awakened? That doesn't sound like surrendering was the easiest thing to do. Q: "How long should one practice? RM: Until the mind attains effortlessly its natural state of freedom from concepts, that is till the sense of βIβ and βmineβ exists no longer." Ramana Maharshi How do you define surrender?
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Post by satchitananda on Jan 11, 2020 3:48:40 GMT -5
Q: "How long should one practice? RM: Until the mind attains effortlessly its natural state of freedom from concepts, that is till the sense of βIβ and βmineβ exists no longer." Ramana Maharshi How do you define surrender? Surrender is no different to Samadhi.
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Post by zendancer on Jan 11, 2020 5:14:43 GMT -5
How do you define surrender? Surrender is no different to Samadhi. Wow. No wonder we have a problem communicating on this forum! I doubt that anyone else defines surrender in that way. Ignoring the communication issue for the moment, were you able to enter samadhi the first time you meditated?
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Post by satchitananda on Jan 11, 2020 5:32:02 GMT -5
Surrender is no different to Samadhi. Wow. No wonder we have a problem communicating on this forum! I doubt that anyone else defines surrender in that way. Ignoring the communication issue for the moment, were you able to enter samadhi the first time you meditated? I don't care how anyone else defines surrender on this forum because a lot of what most people say on this forum about awakening is incorrect. What I say is consistent with the teaching of vedanta and it's consistent with what sages such as Ramana say about surrender. The first time I meditated after instruction I entered a partial samadhi, that is samadhi with thoughts. but this is a bit misleading because I used to experience samadhi when I was 9 years old lying in bed at night and later seemed to lose this ability until starting to practice again in my early twenties. It's all explained in my YouTube video.
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Post by Reefs on Jan 11, 2020 5:48:21 GMT -5
Self-Realized? I have never come under your category of self-realized. Correct. What's Self-realization? knowing who they genuinely are, eh? Correct again. If so, I know myself not only to be a perceiver but additionally to be an engenderer those perceptions, I consider the people those ken this truth as Self-Realized. As for as I ken, Nobody in this forum except me and Enigma knows this truth. So for me, me and Enigma are the only people are self-realized. Not entirely correct. Some others here also know that truth. It's just that you guys consider it the highest truth and the others don't.
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