|
Post by zendancer on Oct 7, 2019 10:32:36 GMT -5
I think Foster's criticism is useful. I think as with any notion of reality ND can be misused. But so can Foster's argument. ND like all paradigms can harbor psychopaths. No judgement intended, but if all except me are illusory then we're all his or her toys to do with as they please. Noone should take that personally. No one on this site is like that. Foster's slant is a caution. Foster knows what he is talking about, first hand, because at one point he fell into the advaita trap. It took him a while come to his senses and realize that it was just a bad case of mind-enlightenment and that in actuality he was still mostly living in his head. I think he described it as a rather humbling realization. Correct. The reason that some people have been suspicious of him was that some of his writings after he realized that he had fallen into the advaita trap, exhibited the same kind of arrogance that flavored his writings while he was in the advaita trap. The one-ups-manship game can be played at every level of understanding, and when that game ceases to be played, it's usually a good sign.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 11:31:40 GMT -5
That depends upon how one defines 'illusion.' Some define it as anything and all that appears. Whereas, For me, the term illusion references a 'trick or mistake of mind,' in the sense that one thinks he is seeing something that is not actually there.
'Separation' is a mistaken assumption/conclusion based upon an initial mistaken identifying with/as some-thing....distinction is not separation.
Appearances DO appear and a phenomenal world is experienced, thus, distinction is not an 'illusion' in that same sense. Absent distinction, there is no experience...no appearances appearing...no arisings arising. to write off the entirety of the appearing world as an illusion seems to me to be an unnecessary negation/denial of experience. Which is interesting, because those of us who reference the phenomenal world as 'appearance only' get accused of doing that, when in fact, we're not denying that the phenomenal appears, we are simply saying that all that appears is empty of Truth. There is a difference.
I only offer this as rebuttal. The foot is separate from the leg based on distinctions, that is, features that distinguish it from the rest of the leg. Because you call a leg a leg including the foot does not mean there is no foot or that the foot is actually separate. The distinguishing features are useful, but I would say artificial constructs. The leg is one, but for the analytical capacity of the mind.Even WITH the analytical capacity of the mind though, it's ultimately, all One. Oneness 'includes' distinction. And while we can talk about a very ultimate/absolute point where all distinction collapses, the end of suffering/feedom is not dependent upon ignoring, denying or in any way negating distinction.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 11:34:53 GMT -5
I think Foster's criticism is useful. I think as with any notion of reality ND can be misused. But so can Foster's argument. ND like all paradigms can harbor psychopaths. No judgement intended, but if all except me are illusory then we're all his or her toys to do with as they please. Noone should take that personally. No one on this site is like that. Foster's slant is a caution. That's my sense of it too. I guess Foster thinks he has walked the ND path in an imbalanced way at some point, and like a lot of folks....when they have experienced imbalance, they can spend time afterwards with an interest in addressing it. Yes, 'a caution'. Indeed, no one sees the pitfalls and traps inherent in the pathless path as clearly as the one who has himself, at one point, fallen into them and then, awoken out of them.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 11:42:50 GMT -5
Foster knows what he is talking about, first hand, because at one point he fell into the advaita trap. It took him a while come to his senses and realize that it was just a bad case of mind-enlightenment and that in actuality he was still mostly living in his head. I think he described it as a rather humbling realization. Correct. The reason that some people have been suspicious of him was that some of his writings after he realized that he had fallen into the advaita trap, exhibited the same kind of arrogance that flavored his writings while he was in the advaita trap. The one-ups-manship game can be played at every level of understanding, and when that game ceases to be played, it's usually a good sign. What I've noticed is that it's all too easy to see what appears to be arrogance and one-up-manship, when our own point of view is being challenged. It's rare actually to see two opposing view-points, absent at least one of the participants thinking the other is arrogantly trying to one-up.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 11:54:53 GMT -5
I only offer this as rebuttal. The foot is separate from the leg based on distinctions, that is, features that distinguish it from the rest of the leg. Because you call a leg a leg including the foot does not mean there is no foot or that the foot is actually separate. The distinguishing features are useful, but I would say artificial constructs. The leg is one, but for the analytical capacity of the mind.Even WITH the analytical capacity of the mind though, it's ultimately, all One. Oneness 'includes' distinction. And while we can talk about a very ultimate/absolute point where all distinction collapses, the end of suffering/feedom is not dependent upon ignoring, denying or in any way negating distinction. Yes. This is an "academic" exercise, not relevant to the business of SR, pure mind baby sitting fodder. I hurt my low back playing tennis and have been convalescing the past week. Bored out of my mind. Suffering, but for the drugs. Thank you, Pharma. Jesus=Pharma. I agree the end of suffering is not dependent on distinctions collapsing, but then is it dependant on distinctions remaining? I think it's dependent on Pharma. You'll have a hard time convincing me otherwise today.
|
|
|
Post by satchitananda on Oct 7, 2019 12:13:23 GMT -5
What I've noticed is that it's all too easy to see what appears to be arrogance and one-up-manship, when our own point of view is being challenged. It's rare actually to see two opposing view-points, absent at least one of the participants thinking the other is arrogantly trying to one-up. Good point. The solution therefore is for everyone to play the one-upmanship game thereby creating a level playing field and where no one can complain about it. This adversarial system works well in a court of law where both defence and prosecution lawyers are arguing equally that they represent the truth. It also works in politics which is an adversarial multi party democratic system where you have to win the argument. No one complains about one-upmanship in either of those two venues. I don't see all the candidates in the recent presidential debates being appreciative and acquiescing to the others point of view. They are all pushing their own agenda which they think represents the truth. Why not the same in spirituality discussions? In fact there is such a tradition. So I say that complaints about one-upmanship should be outlawed. Instead of complaining, win the argument by persuasion and challenge whenever you feel like it without fear or favour.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 13:13:03 GMT -5
Even WITH the analytical capacity of the mind though, it's ultimately, all One. Oneness 'includes' distinction. And while we can talk about a very ultimate/absolute point where all distinction collapses, the end of suffering/feedom is not dependent upon ignoring, denying or in any way negating distinction. Yes. This is an "academic" exercise, not relevant to the business of SR, pure mind baby sitting fodder. I hurt my low back playing tennis and have been convalescing the past week. Bored out of my mind. Suffering, but for the drugs. Thank you, Pharma. Jesus=Pharma. I agree the end of suffering is not dependent on distinctions collapsing, but then is it dependant on distinctions remaining? I think it's dependent on Pharma. You'll have a hard time convincing me otherwise today. Hey, take it wherever and however it comes.
Absent any remaining distinctions, the end of suffering pretty much loses all meaning. It becomes a moot point if there is no longer experience happening...no?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 13:14:42 GMT -5
What I've noticed is that it's all too easy to see what appears to be arrogance and one-up-manship, when our own point of view is being challenged. It's rare actually to see two opposing view-points, absent at least one of the participants thinking the other is arrogantly trying to one-up. Good point. The solution therefore is for everyone to play the one-upmanship game thereby creating a level playing field and where no one can complain about it. This adversarial system works well in a court of law where both defence and prosecution lawyers are arguing equally that they represent the truth. It also works in politics which is an adversarial multi party democratic system where you have to win the argument. No one complains about one-upmanship in either of those two venues. I don't see all the candidates in the recent presidential debates being appreciative and acquiescing to the others point of view. They are all pushing their own agenda which they think represents the truth. Why not the same in spirituality discussions? In fact there is such a tradition. So I say that complaints about one-upmanship should be outlawed. Instead of complaining, win the argument by persuasion and challenge whenever you feel like it without fear or favour. I'll second that motion.
|
|
|
Post by laughter on Oct 7, 2019 13:38:48 GMT -5
I think Foster's criticism is useful. I think as with any notion of reality ND can be misused. But so can Foster's argument. ND like all paradigms can harbor psychopaths. No judgement intended, but if all except me are illusory then we're all his or her toys to do with as they please. Noone should take that personally. No one on this site is like that. Foster's slant is a caution. Foster knows what he is talking about, first hand, because at one point he fell into the advaita trap. It took him a while come to his senses and realize that it was just a bad case of mind-enlightenment and that in actuality he was still mostly living in his head. I think he described it as a rather humbling realization. So what I'm reminded of now is how in the movies a character will wake up from a lucid nightmare only to eventually find that they didn't really wake up, but instead, they were still dreaming when they thought they'd snapped awake.
|
|
|
Post by lopezcabellero on Oct 7, 2019 14:32:59 GMT -5
So I did some research into chromosome two and the fusion apparently necessary for its creation. Basically, apes and our predecessors had 24 pairs of chromosomes while humans as we know possess only 23. Chromosome 2 in the human helix was discovered in 1991 to be a fusion between 2 of our assumed predecessors chromosomes. There are a few types of fusion scenarios in living animals. All known fusions involving living animals fall into the fusion of satellite DNA with satellite DNA, or with satellite DNA and telomere DNA. Telomeres are the regions at the end of chromosomes that contain thousands of repeats of the DNA sequence. In the case of chromosome 2, strangely, we see a telomere - telomere fusion. If real, this would be the first documented case ever seen in nature. Which begs the question, what are the causal forces behind this type of fusion? There is some existing debate of the fusion actually is telomere-telomere, but reagardless of the expert, it seems they agree the fusion involved the loss and rearrangement of part of the genetic material. It's also said that a 46 chromosome hominid or species could not mate with a 48 chromosome species. So there is a theory that the fusion acted as a prevention mechanism against humans breeding with apes, and of course a theory that a more intelligent being intervened. With intervention theory, you do have some supporting evidence even in the bible, where it is said, There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The first mention of "sons of God" in the Hebrew Bible occurs at Genesis 6:1–4
So, for those who believe in Darwinian evolution, there is an obvious need to explain chromosome 2 fusion. Well, that's really is a fascinating fact about the fusion, thanks for illuminating it. Yes, I agree, that is something that begs explanation, and my guess is that it's likely an active area of research. But the alien intervention theory is at least as speculative as natural selection, and a reference to giants in the bible isn't anything that I find personally all that correlative or convincing enough to turn my interest in that direction. To the extent you might have meant that as tounge-in-cheek, I offer a wry grin. For all you really know, there's an ancient pre-Homo-Sapien hominid civilization that advanced to the point where they could splice DNA. Perhaps they evolved naturally, got to that point, did the deed, but were forgotten along the way because of various intervening cataclysm. Sumerian might be the first writing that we're aware of from the mainstream academia, but there's an intense chauvinistic bias in that consensus with many different influences. My personal suspicion is that the civilizations centered in China are probably at least a few thousand years older than the ones in the Middle East. Have you heard about Göbekli Tepe? As the technology for identifying likely archeological sites and pre-excavating them improves, the bias against counter-factual evidence will start to matter less and less. The narrative for the spread of Western civilization is that it started in the fertile crescent, but look up the fiasco that is the Roman calendar, and, bonus that we're coming up on Halloween, compare it to what the people in Northern Europe knew about the movements of the Sun and the Moon thousands of years prior to the Romans. My personal bias is to imagine that the chromosome fusion happened naturally, but when it comes to a bias like that, all one need do is to be conscious of it to be free of it. I certainly concur that intervention theory is speculative. Have you checked the cylinder seal VA243 from the Sumerian civilization? It basically shows a rendering of the planetary orbits of our solar system, way before the time of Galileo. This I think was first proposed by Sitchin, who authored a book I mentioned previously. But there's lots of evidence in those seals and tablets and stuff. My conditioned propensity is to disbelieve the idea of being visited by aliens, but the more I look at it, the more probable it becomes, particularly in light of so called primitive belief systems. However, in one Sumerian account, there is talk of a god, who you could tell was a god from the light on his crown, and I notice in the spiritual plane or world of dreams a spirit guide can have a light radiating from the crown chakra, meaning, God illuminates radiantly from this type of entity. I mean to look into ancient psychology and when people first started talking about dreams and the ability to distinguish them from waking life. As far as genetic engineering, sure, we need to see a motivating factor. Most proponents say humans were created for complex labor in mining gold, an element we may hardly understand, and so we were essentially created as a slave species. If these beings could live thousands of years, maybe the task of farming humans wouldn't be too much to ask. But I cannot say I more probably than not believe this theory. Another theory suggests they feed off our emotions or unconsciousness, and having experienced the vampire effect and the need to transcend it, such a theory is not as far fetched as it may sound. On the other hand, the Drake Equation predicts an overwhelming likelihood of other intelligent life, and even main stream science seems to cater to the idea of alien life somewhere out there. But interference theory essentially suggests a malevolent alien force, and such a force could certainly explain primary human psychopathy. The need to enslave others stemming from our own enslavement...Yet on this paragraph the point was that maybe intervention wasn't malevolent, but done more as a favor to advance the species. Some even go as far to say 'Adam' is actually an alien. With natural fusion theory, how would that work? Obviously it would need to happen in mass numbers so the new species could co -create, and while the old species would branch out or evolve along a different line. Also, the reduction in chromosome numbers seems an oddity. And so, we're saying mass natural telomere fusion happened simultaneously, or just so happened to happen two times among a male and female. With seemingly no transitional fossils. It's kind of a hard sale. The truth is out there somewhere. The inclination to believe in evolution can just be order following, as the theory as been proposed and repeated so many times we just take it for fact. I think the same holds true for the moon, where the idea it resulted from a hit to Earth had to then be replaced by a double hit theory and so on and so forth. Maybe the moon isn't what we think it is. Maybe nothing is. No worries though, you can certainly count on the federal government to supply you and your children all the information you need in this years new textbook series, "How to brainwash your Clone". Meaning, isn't it a little bit of a thought crime to have a species read information and so called facts on evolution while chromosome 2 is never even mentioned? And as far as starfish, I did once partake in a dissection and remember they had gonads on each arm. What if the same holds true of the Annunaki? Weird.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 16:15:17 GMT -5
Good point. The solution therefore is for everyone to play the one-upmanship game thereby creating a level playing field and where no one can complain about it. This adversarial system works well in a court of law where both defence and prosecution lawyers are arguing equally that they represent the truth. It also works in politics which is an adversarial multi party democratic system where you have to win the argument. No one complains about one-upmanship in either of those two venues. I don't see all the candidates in the recent presidential debates being appreciative and acquiescing to the others point of view. They are all pushing their own agenda which they think represents the truth. Why not the same in spirituality discussions? In fact there is such a tradition. So I say that complaints about one-upmanship should be outlawed. Instead of complaining, win the argument by persuasion and challenge whenever you feel like it without fear or favour. I'll second that motion.
You two couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag if you had scissors.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 17:25:31 GMT -5
You two couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag if you had scissors. Does that mean I hafta give my high school debate team, first prize trophy back??
|
|
|
Post by laughter on Oct 8, 2019 13:17:25 GMT -5
Well, that's really is a fascinating fact about the fusion, thanks for illuminating it. Yes, I agree, that is something that begs explanation, and my guess is that it's likely an active area of research. But the alien intervention theory is at least as speculative as natural selection, and a reference to giants in the bible isn't anything that I find personally all that correlative or convincing enough to turn my interest in that direction. To the extent you might have meant that as tounge-in-cheek, I offer a wry grin. For all you really know, there's an ancient pre-Homo-Sapien hominid civilization that advanced to the point where they could splice DNA. Perhaps they evolved naturally, got to that point, did the deed, but were forgotten along the way because of various intervening cataclysm. Sumerian might be the first writing that we're aware of from the mainstream academia, but there's an intense chauvinistic bias in that consensus with many different influences. My personal suspicion is that the civilizations centered in China are probably at least a few thousand years older than the ones in the Middle East. Have you heard about Göbekli Tepe? As the technology for identifying likely archeological sites and pre-excavating them improves, the bias against counter-factual evidence will start to matter less and less. The narrative for the spread of Western civilization is that it started in the fertile crescent, but look up the fiasco that is the Roman calendar, and, bonus that we're coming up on Halloween, compare it to what the people in Northern Europe knew about the movements of the Sun and the Moon thousands of years prior to the Romans. My personal bias is to imagine that the chromosome fusion happened naturally, but when it comes to a bias like that, all one need do is to be conscious of it to be free of it. I certainly concur that intervention theory is speculative. Have you checked the cylinder seal VA243 from the Sumerian civilization? It basically shows a rendering of the planetary orbits of our solar system, way before the time of Galileo. This I think was first proposed by Sitchin, who authored a book I mentioned previously. But there's lots of evidence in those seals and tablets and stuff. My conditioned propensity is to disbelieve the idea of being visited by aliens, but the more I look at it, the more probable it becomes, particularly in light of so called primitive belief systems. However, in one Sumerian account, there is talk of a god, who you could tell was a god from the light on his crown, and I notice in the spiritual plane or world of dreams a spirit guide can have a light radiating from the crown chakra, meaning, God illuminates radiantly from this type of entity. I mean to look into ancient psychology and when people first started talking about dreams and the ability to distinguish them from waking life. As far as genetic engineering, sure, we need to see a motivating factor. Most proponents say humans were created for complex labor in mining gold, an element we may hardly understand, and so we were essentially created as a slave species. If these beings could live thousands of years, maybe the task of farming humans wouldn't be too much to ask. But I cannot say I more probably than not believe this theory. Another theory suggests they feed off our emotions or unconsciousness, and having experienced the vampire effect and the need to transcend it, such a theory is not as far fetched as it may sound. On the other hand, the Drake Equation predicts an overwhelming likelihood of other intelligent life, and even main stream science seems to cater to the idea of alien life somewhere out there. But interference theory essentially suggests a malevolent alien force, and such a force could certainly explain primary human psychopathy. The need to enslave others stemming from our own enslavement...Yet on this paragraph the point was that maybe intervention wasn't malevolent, but done more as a favor to advance the species. Some even go as far to say 'Adam' is actually an alien. With natural fusion theory, how would that work? Obviously it would need to happen in mass numbers so the new species could co -create, and while the old species would branch out or evolve along a different line. Also, the reduction in chromosome numbers seems an oddity. And so, we're saying mass natural telomere fusion happened simultaneously, or just so happened to happen two times among a male and female. With seemingly no transitional fossils. It's kind of a hard sale. The truth is out there somewhere. The inclination to believe in evolution can just be order following, as the theory as been proposed and repeated so many times we just take it for fact. I think the same holds true for the moon, where the idea it resulted from a hit to Earth had to then be replaced by a double hit theory and so on and so forth. Maybe the moon isn't what we think it is. Maybe nothing is. No worries though, you can certainly count on the federal government to supply you and your children all the information you need in this years new textbook series, "How to brainwash your Clone". Meaning, isn't it a little bit of a thought crime to have a species read information and so called facts on evolution while chromosome 2 is never even mentioned? And as far as starfish, I did once partake in a dissection and remember they had gonads on each arm. What if the same holds true of the Annunaki? Weird. Here's a problem with the Drake equation: it only accounts for time in one way. It doesn't take into account the frequency of occurrence of the elements on Earth. If we're looking for life similar to our own -- and from a distance, it's kind of hard to look for other forms of life that require more imagination -- then they'll have evolved on a planet in a system that is from roughly the same cosmic cycle as our Sun. It took billions of years of cycles of star birth and death to generate the elements other than hydrogen and helium in the concentrations we see here. If life emerged at some point earlier, then the sodium, carbon and other elements that are central to biology as we know it would have been so rare that the basis of that life would be altogether different. Also, the iron and copper and other metals necessary to support the same path of technological development would have been as rare as gold is here. Some set of civilizations had to have been the first to emerge, and the Universe - even the galaxy -- are really big places that are mostly space, so it might just be that we're one of the first in this neighborhood. As far as the goldminer slave race theory goes, that's probably decades old because if an alien species could manage interstellar travel then they could probably build robots to do the mining for them, and the gold would be easier to find out in asteroid belts where most of the work is already done for them anyway. Now, your references to the vampire theory and spiritual beings emitting light from their head raise the different possibility of a disembodied consciousness-to-consciousness remote alien contact. Here I have to admit mostly ignorance. Have you read this that Sighclone wrote last month? While I'm no stranger to strange experiences like synchronicity's (and, far stranger) I haven't written about them all that much, especially publicly, and I've read almost nothing. Reefs has recommended Seth, for instance, and I'm wondering, do you have any recommendations off the top of your head if I were to pursue an interest in the topics of the astral or causal planes? I have to say that what I have read on the topics seems to me to be rife with misinterpretation. Seems to me, that at the core of these misinterpretations are when the veil of the illusion of the consensus trance gets stripped away. Existential truth gets revealed, and it's starkly different from how it seems to me the vast majority of people-peeps think of and feel the world to be. But the problem, it seems to me, is that people who have these experiences often project a limited and personal perspective on to what was revealed to them. One of the reasons I haven't spent time writing about some of those experiences or considered them to be all that important is how I can see my mind making meaning out of them based on my linear-time, conditioned experience of life. See, the thing is, that, while it's true that science has the existential delusion of subject/object at it's root, by the same token, it's shed quite a bit of light on the patterns of the way appearances appear, in relative terms. It's revealed what the ancients would have called magic, and exposed many of the old spiritual ideas as superstition. While it's unwise to close one's mind, the absence of skepticism doesn't mean that the known has to be abandoned, or that the mind should be opened in any sort of naive sense.
ps: interesting fact about the planets represented in the Sumerian material. I'd say that's concordant to what I linked to from Northern Europe and reflects how knowledge can get lost over time, and there are lots of different factors that can go into that process of loss.
|
|
|
Post by lopezcabellero on Oct 10, 2019 11:15:23 GMT -5
I certainly concur that intervention theory is speculative. Have you checked the cylinder seal VA243 from the Sumerian civilization? It basically shows a rendering of the planetary orbits of our solar system, way before the time of Galileo. This I think was first proposed by Sitchin, who authored a book I mentioned previously. But there's lots of evidence in those seals and tablets and stuff. My conditioned propensity is to disbelieve the idea of being visited by aliens, but the more I look at it, the more probable it becomes, particularly in light of so called primitive belief systems. However, in one Sumerian account, there is talk of a god, who you could tell was a god from the light on his crown, and I notice in the spiritual plane or world of dreams a spirit guide can have a light radiating from the crown chakra, meaning, God illuminates radiantly from this type of entity. I mean to look into ancient psychology and when people first started talking about dreams and the ability to distinguish them from waking life. As far as genetic engineering, sure, we need to see a motivating factor. Most proponents say humans were created for complex labor in mining gold, an element we may hardly understand, and so we were essentially created as a slave species. If these beings could live thousands of years, maybe the task of farming humans wouldn't be too much to ask. But I cannot say I more probably than not believe this theory. Another theory suggests they feed off our emotions or unconsciousness, and having experienced the vampire effect and the need to transcend it, such a theory is not as far fetched as it may sound. On the other hand, the Drake Equation predicts an overwhelming likelihood of other intelligent life, and even main stream science seems to cater to the idea of alien life somewhere out there. But interference theory essentially suggests a malevolent alien force, and such a force could certainly explain primary human psychopathy. The need to enslave others stemming from our own enslavement...Yet on this paragraph the point was that maybe intervention wasn't malevolent, but done more as a favor to advance the species. Some even go as far to say 'Adam' is actually an alien. With natural fusion theory, how would that work? Obviously it would need to happen in mass numbers so the new species could co -create, and while the old species would branch out or evolve along a different line. Also, the reduction in chromosome numbers seems an oddity. And so, we're saying mass natural telomere fusion happened simultaneously, or just so happened to happen two times among a male and female. With seemingly no transitional fossils. It's kind of a hard sale. The truth is out there somewhere. The inclination to believe in evolution can just be order following, as the theory as been proposed and repeated so many times we just take it for fact. I think the same holds true for the moon, where the idea it resulted from a hit to Earth had to then be replaced by a double hit theory and so on and so forth. Maybe the moon isn't what we think it is. Maybe nothing is. No worries though, you can certainly count on the federal government to supply you and your children all the information you need in this years new textbook series, "How to brainwash your Clone". Meaning, isn't it a little bit of a thought crime to have a species read information and so called facts on evolution while chromosome 2 is never even mentioned? And as far as starfish, I did once partake in a dissection and remember they had gonads on each arm. What if the same holds true of the Annunaki? Weird. Here's a problem with the Drake equation: it only accounts for time in one way. It doesn't take into account the frequency of occurrence of the elements on Earth. If we're looking for life similar to our own -- and from a distance, it's kind of hard to look for other forms of life that require more imagination -- then they'll have evolved on a planet in a system that is from roughly the same cosmic cycle as our Sun. It took billions of years of cycles of star birth and death to generate the elements other than hydrogen and helium in the concentrations we see here. If life emerged at some point earlier, then the sodium, carbon and other elements that are central to biology as we know it would have been so rare that the basis of that life would be altogether different. Also, the iron and copper and other metals necessary to support the same path of technological development would have been as rare as gold is here. Some set of civilizations had to have been the first to emerge, and the Universe - even the galaxy -- are really big places that are mostly space, so it might just be that we're one of the first in this neighborhood. As far as the goldminer slave race theory goes, that's probably decades old because if an alien species could manage interstellar travel then they could probably build robots to do the mining for them, and the gold would be easier to find out in asteroid belts where most of the work is already done for them anyway. Now, your references to the vampire theory and spiritual beings emitting light from their head raise the different possibility of a disembodied consciousness-to-consciousness remote alien contact. Here I have to admit mostly ignorance. Have you read this that Sighclone wrote last month? While I'm no stranger to strange experiences like synchronicity's (and, far stranger) I haven't written about them all that much, especially publicly, and I've read almost nothing. Reefs has recommended Seth, for instance, and I'm wondering, do you have any recommendations off the top of your head if I were to pursue an interest in the topics of the astral or causal planes? I have to say that what I have read on the topics seems to me to be rife with misinterpretation. Seems to me, that at the core of these misinterpretations are when the veil of the illusion of the consensus trance gets stripped away. Existential truth gets revealed, and it's starkly different from how it seems to me the vast majority of people-peeps think of and feel the world to be. But the problem, it seems to me, is that people who have these experiences often project a limited and personal perspective on to what was revealed to them. One of the reasons I haven't spent time writing about some of those experiences or considered them to be all that important is how I can see my mind making meaning out of them based on my linear-time, conditioned experience of life. See, the thing is, that, while it's true that science has the existential delusion of subject/object at it's root, by the same token, it's shed quite a bit of light on the patterns of the way appearances appear, in relative terms. It's revealed what the ancients would have called magic, and exposed many of the old spiritual ideas as superstition. While it's unwise to close one's mind, the absence of skepticism doesn't mean that the known has to be abandoned, or that the mind should be opened in any sort of naive sense.
ps: interesting fact about the planets represented in the Sumerian material. I'd say that's concordant to what I linked to from Northern Europe and reflects how knowledge can get lost over time, and there are lots of different factors that can go into that process of loss. I did notice some gaping holes in Drake's equation, but even Michio Kaku, who's a fairly mainstream guy, said he believes contact will happen in this century. On the goldminer thing, yea, I mean, I don't know what to say to that. How much time and energy would it take to create a slave race? Quite a bit. And yea, if you can manipulate DNA in such a complicated way, what would the corresponding robot technology look like? Of course we are presuming travel through air, as opposed to interdimensional, but these are questions that conspiracy theorists have not adequately answered. And yet, when we look at the telomere-telomere, fusion, and at least one expert I am aware of saying this simply wouldn't be possible in nature, there is some explaining to do. At the end of the day, being a proponent of interference theory could easily cost you your credentials among the intellectual elite. And so we mustn't discount the weight of group think and fear of being ousted from the herd. More than this, who is to say a Sumerian tablet is actually dated from so many years back? What is the foundation of knowledge even conspiracy theorists are using? Did you carbon date the object? I didn't. Who is to say some archaeological finds aren't conspiracies themselves? That someone created the Sumerian language and used the idea of an alien race to distract the fringe reality people from more deeply examining their own unconsciousness. As I see it, the human mind should at least possess a pattern embedded into it which would trace back to the origin of human unconsciousness. I couldn't agree more with your post script, the process of loss, but more importantly, introduction to replacement information. Let's say we were visited by an alien race that used a cross species hybridization to make humans. If the early generations could somehow conceal this information from later generations of the herd, they could effectively, even if only temporarily, disconnect human thinking from alignment with the truth, particularly to the extent they are able to introduce a theory of a genocidal creator (God in the bible killed 2,400,000 people, just by the numbers mentioned), that has a series of rules that can literally not be followed in the unconscious human state. Meaning, create a moral ideal that will be broken by future programming, and then manipulate shame and guilt from the break in order to extract value adding emotional energy. AKA, sorcery. There's no doubt we see that going on in the conditioned mold. If you're unconsciously projecting sexual energy at your neighbor's wife, by all means covet her. If you aren't willing to tell the truth, by all means lie. The question is aversion, and to what extent self aversion plays into collective identification, and mass delusion. And if someone cannot have an adult conversation about how they unconsciously operate, they are by my definition not an adult. They of course won't have access to higher dimensional spaces, but of course they will have the capacity to possess, cloak, and control the herd who are too blind to see what human evil can do and is doing every day we step out into the Earth plane. As far as the astral or causal plane, what is the causal plane defined as ? Is that of the same fabric as things being queued up on a spiritual plane before they manifest in consensus reality? In terms of human experience, I completely agree there are unseen forces that are trying to cause certain experiences, some of which are so powerful you might even say these experiences form part of human destiny, assuming some counterbalancing force doesn't overcome such experiences. Meaning, not to bring this up for the sake of prediction, but rather, to examine what's going on. If we look at love, and more pointedly God's love, as the primary driving force of the universe (unless you view a oneness principle as inherently evil, which is what it might feel like as you're going through the process of self erasure), we have a template for motion. Blocking emotions and constructing a facade or ego to deny God Itself is a movement away from God's love, into a love for the ideal you. This ideal is constructed and grounded upon a self seeking dynamic, seeking a sense of self in the future to avoid how you're feeling now stemming from how you were unwilling to feel prior to now. A runaway freight train. These structures are out of alignment with the mathematics of oneness, and yet nonetheless allowed to exist within the oneness framework, albeit with a limited potential for growth and the seed of self destruction planted into their foundations. Accordingly, there are higher spiritual dimensions comprised of liberated beings but also inhabited by individuals being dragged down by their own facade growth. The liberated would not be bound by the facade structure and thus could move freely through space and time, while those existing within the facade could only exercise direct control over those they are in a mutual codependent relationship with. As far as accessing these dimensions through astral projection, or in the sleep state, I guess the question is really about mediumship, and I guess it's important to the extent value adding information can be added to one's life through being conscious of what's happening on the spiritual plane. Meaning, if I'm already disconnected with my emotions, and my emotions are already being guarded against by a oneness belief or a disbelief in self, the idea that passionately feeling my emotions will provide access to higher vibrational dimensions will sound at once ludicrous, and perhaps one reason why it will sound ludicrous is because I have a spirit connected to me telling me its ludicrous through connecting my mind stream with his through the collective matrix, in much the same way someone strongly left or right wing in politics is simply unable to hear the truth on certain matters. If we simply call it a spiritual force, without getting into dis-incorporate entities, this force overpower the willingness to experience the emotion which allows it to 'over cloak' to the degree we are unconscious of our own emotions. And so, I would say the best thing to do to access higher planes or higher vibrational dimensions, and more pointedly receive what can be life saving guidance from these dimensions, is to be fully conscious of how a facade is constructed and why, and then dismantle its capacity for operation. Sighclone, I just read his post. I would say the key to all ascension is emotional consciousness. And so communication with a spirit guide can be as much about being guided to pain as it could be about the fulfillment of desire or something. As we are so entrenched in thinking of being guided as a means of escape, most of human populous resides in a hopeless state without being woke. Anyway, gotta boogie.
|
|
|
Post by laughter on Oct 12, 2019 21:37:43 GMT -5
As I see it, the human mind should at least possess a pattern embedded into it which would trace back to the origin of human unconsciousness. Well yes. Isn't that what the best of the nonduality material is really all about at it's core?
|
|