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Post by Reefs on Feb 25, 2020 8:12:23 GMT -5
I don't mind. You see, when it comes to these theories about reality, it isn't so much about being right or wrong in the absolute sense of the word, because that can never happen. It's more about 'most' correct/wrong/true/false instead. Think of Occam's razor here. You see, I am trying hard to understand you because it's confusing now. Let me make some question to understand. 1)Do you believe belief creates reality? 2)Do you believe others can create a reality in which you are part of? Okay, I'll try to be as concise as possible: 1) A skunk sat on a stump and thunk the stump stunk but the stump thunk the skunk stunk. 2) Fred fed Ted bread, and Ted fed Fred bread.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 9:35:07 GMT -5
The apology was sincere. I don't like it much when I bumble into a situation I had no business entering in the first place. That generally indicates a lack of self awareness, but in this case I'll plead ignorance + silliness. It doesn't indicate a lack of self-awareness to me, it indicates a desire to learn what one didn't know of before. As you've already concluded. We think differently.
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Post by laughter on Feb 25, 2020 14:13:57 GMT -5
the apology was sincere. I don't like it much when I bumble into a situation I had no business entering in the first place. that generally indicates a lack of self awareness, but in this case I'll plead ignorance + silliness. There's a globally famous running race that happens here annually and one year this F-16 broke the sound barrier like a few thousand feet about my neighborhood. I wasn't even aware of the race that day so I ran up to the roof in a panic to try to figure out what's going on. Got stung by a wasp from a nest that had got built in a crease of the leaky-ass hatch.
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Post by laughter on Feb 25, 2020 15:42:07 GMT -5
There's a globally famous running race that happens here annually and one year this F-16 broke the sound barrier like a few thousand feet about my neighborhood. I wasn't even aware of the race that day so I ran up to the roof in a panic to try to figure out what's going on. Got stung by a wasp from a nest that had got built in a crease of the leaky-ass hatch. right on the shore, right next to the nice tourist beach, is an air force base! everything that flies is in and out of there, its a nightmare of jet sounds! but the beach is lovely (** muttley snicker **)
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Post by Reefs on Mar 5, 2020 8:28:53 GMT -5
Yeah, but what do you actually know about nuclear weapons or the cuban missile crisis? Where did you get that information? And based one where you got it, what do you really know, for certain? I can only speak for myself here, but if I'm totally honest, the information I've got and get about history and politics usually doesn't even rise to the level of second hand knowledge - and I'm rather well-read on the most recent topics! So this is usually the point where, to me, the concept that politics (at least the way it is presented to 'us') just being some kind of simulation seems to be the most realistic option. The most significant thing I know about them is that I've never experienced them disrupting my way of life. Now, as for the possibility that they could, yes, that information is all second-hand, mostly from media, but also from having done the math back in school as to the potential energy locked away in any given gram of any kind of matter. It's true that in the moment, there is no threat, and in that sense, the horror's of World War II or any other past war aren't a part of the moment, but it's equally as true that every event, every sensation and all people are inextricably and very deeply interconnected. For example, joining the U.S. military was always a viable vocational option for me when I was younger, and that's directly related to the results of that war. If you've ever directly experienced or perpetrated violence or been proximate to potentially violent people then all the history about war makes quite a bit of sense, and for some people the ripples of war can be very personal, even if they're a few generations removed from them. And there's really not a person alive who hasn't been conditioned by past war. A picture of a skeleton from Europe or South America with it's hands bound and a big 'ole hole it it's skull, or the footage of the battlefields, ruins and camps from WWII or of the carpet bombing and jungle firefights from Vietnam in the '60's are ghostly shadows not of the moment, but that doesn't mean that they didn't happen. So, if I accept based on this second-hand knowledge that those events did actually happen, then I can assign some informational value to the histories that preceded and were the relative causes of those more recent events. While it's true that the lens of historians is extremely narrow and distorted, it's also true that even the best lies have a kernel of truth at their center. Even to entertain the possibility that the chronicles of endless war in Europe over a 2000 year period have some validity begs the question, why did it stop, in 1945? That is a question that's quite pertinent to any notion of a "great awakening". My point was more about filters of perception. Here's an example of what I was getting at:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 16:45:57 GMT -5
The most significant thing I know about them is that I've never experienced them disrupting my way of life. Now, as for the possibility that they could, yes, that information is all second-hand, mostly from media, but also from having done the math back in school as to the potential energy locked away in any given gram of any kind of matter. It's true that in the moment, there is no threat, and in that sense, the horror's of World War II or any other past war aren't a part of the moment, but it's equally as true that every event, every sensation and all people are inextricably and very deeply interconnected. For example, joining the U.S. military was always a viable vocational option for me when I was younger, and that's directly related to the results of that war. If you've ever directly experienced or perpetrated violence or been proximate to potentially violent people then all the history about war makes quite a bit of sense, and for some people the ripples of war can be very personal, even if they're a few generations removed from them. And there's really not a person alive who hasn't been conditioned by past war. A picture of a skeleton from Europe or South America with it's hands bound and a big 'ole hole it it's skull, or the footage of the battlefields, ruins and camps from WWII or of the carpet bombing and jungle firefights from Vietnam in the '60's are ghostly shadows not of the moment, but that doesn't mean that they didn't happen. So, if I accept based on this second-hand knowledge that those events did actually happen, then I can assign some informational value to the histories that preceded and were the relative causes of those more recent events. While it's true that the lens of historians is extremely narrow and distorted, it's also true that even the best lies have a kernel of truth at their center. Even to entertain the possibility that the chronicles of endless war in Europe over a 2000 year period have some validity begs the question, why did it stop, in 1945? That is a question that's quite pertinent to any notion of a "great awakening". My point was more about filters of perception. Here's an example of what I was getting at: A common story about expectations ground down by reality. "All's Quiet on the Western Front" tells a similar story, but a bit more gruesome. "The Thirteenth Valley" is a great analysis, though fiction, of that war in Vietnam.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 5, 2020 20:51:20 GMT -5
A common story about expectations ground down by reality. "All's Quiet on the Western Front" tells a similar story, but a bit more gruesome. "The Thirteenth Valley" is a great analysis, though fiction, of that war in Vietnam. Yes, exactly. And in terms of cognitive dissonance, WW1 seems to be on a whole different level. Remember, most who went into battle at the beginning of the war were volunteers who thought they'd be back home in late fall the same year, at the latest! But they had different societal values at the time as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 4:16:50 GMT -5
It is just, sometimes, I make the mistake of trying to share with others things I believe will help them. I know that in most cases this doesn't work. Hmmm.. interesting. Firstly, nowhere does Seth say that you can create in another's reality. So.. what is really going on with this muddled intention? This admittance that a mistake is being made is most revealing. So, secretly, the desire to help is actually just the desire to share. When the desire to share is accepted as just that. And this desire to help is let go of, then real help may actually happen.
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Post by inavalan on May 22, 2020 20:30:19 GMT -5
... Which is why this forum is often fractious, because we've a bunch of people acting like teachers, and very rarely does anyone submit themselves into the position of being a student, saying "please help me". Are you saying that they "are teachers", or just "act like they are teachers"? I suppose it is allowed to have, and post other opinions here. I noticed some posts using an unjustified, condescending tone.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 4:45:41 GMT -5
I noticed some posts using an unjustified, condescending tone. The free-speech is paramount.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 3:14:58 GMT -5
It is "nerve wracking" to read people expressing ignorant opinions with trolling pride ... Even more so when browsing this older thread, from times when google was less aggressive in censoring and distorting information, and when people could easily educate themselves before shooting their mouth off ...
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Post by inavalan on Jun 12, 2020 14:04:10 GMT -5
I see that all / most people posting here subscribe to about the same system of beliefs. I wonder if this is a place where alternative ideas are entertained, not for debate, but for pondering.
It seems that many posters adopt a knowledgeable tone, and I wonder if this is because they are teachers, or only because they're convinced of the truth of their beliefs.
I discovered this discussion board with google, looking for a Seth quote.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 14:37:39 GMT -5
I see that all / most people posting here subscribe to about the same system of beliefs. I wonder if this is a place where alternative ideas are entertained, not for debate, but for pondering. It seems that many posters adopt a knowledgeable tone, and I wonder if this is because they are teachers, or only because they're convinced of the truth of their beliefs. I discovered this discussion board with google, looking for a Seth quote. That's pretty correct! That's what conversation is not moving here because everybody here wants to teach to others!
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Post by zendancer on Jun 12, 2020 15:33:44 GMT -5
I see that all / most people posting here subscribe to about the same system of beliefs. I wonder if this is a place where alternative ideas are entertained, not for debate, but for pondering. It seems that many posters adopt a knowledgeable tone, and I wonder if this is because they are teachers, or only because they're convinced of the truth of their beliefs. I discovered this discussion board with google, looking for a Seth quote. Some of the posters here are teachers, and some are not, but what's being pointed to has nothing to do with beliefs. On the pathless path of non-duality everything important is discovered through realizations and/or direct interaction with reality unmediated by ideation.
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Post by inavalan on Jun 12, 2020 16:40:45 GMT -5
I see that all / most people posting here subscribe to about the same system of beliefs. I wonder if this is a place where alternative ideas are entertained, not for debate, but for pondering. It seems that many posters adopt a knowledgeable tone, and I wonder if this is because they are teachers, or only because they're convinced of the truth of their beliefs. I discovered this discussion board with google, looking for a Seth quote. Some of the posters here are teachers, and some are not, but what's being pointed to has nothing to do with beliefs. On the pathless path of non-duality everything important is discovered through realizations and/or direct interaction with reality unmediated by ideation. Thanks. So, is this a place where to any given post anybody is welcomed to reply, politely, with different even dissenting points of view? I didn't get that vibe so far. The few replies I got were discouraging, bordering rudeness. How do I recognize the teachers that can't be challenged in their beliefs?
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