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Post by Reefs on Feb 6, 2020 7:51:00 GMT -5
Satch is doing some emotional work over time here on these forums. ( which now that I think about it, I can relate to directly ) Gopal always had the bottom line on that as it was happening. That defines the limits of his self-honesty in this regard. you mean Satch experiences emotions as he goes about his day? I can relate to that. It actually looked more like emotions experiencing Satch as they go about their day.
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Post by Reefs on Feb 6, 2020 7:58:41 GMT -5
healing crystals in the oval?! Reckon a lump of rose quartz would probably be quite useful in there! It was quite ironic last year that those giving her a lot of flak were, in part, the 'woke' crowd. The uber-woke folks don't like to hear that we can be responsible for our inner experience. Oddly, I'm sure that 'woke' must have been derived from 'awakening'. I spent a bit of time defending/supporting her on twitter, but really, it was an exercise in damage control. From a mainstream and political p.o.v, some of what she said 10-20 years ago was full on wacky. Quite normal to us though The way I understand it, woke doesn't mean awake in the sense we use the word. It just means being fully aligned with the progressive movement. So some dogmatism has to be expected there.
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Post by Reefs on Feb 6, 2020 8:01:41 GMT -5
I didn't know who she was until she showed up on the debate stage, and I'm not sure the free world is ready for her to be leader. Every nation gets the government it deserves. - Joseph de Maistre
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Post by Reefs on Feb 6, 2020 8:03:09 GMT -5
I look forward to reading along with your quotes from Jan so my cheap lazy ass don't have to read the book. Books already ordered.
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Post by Reefs on Feb 6, 2020 8:09:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm regularly surprised at the kind of emotional/psychological baggage peeps are still carrying around post-SR. But you are where you are. And from there you have to make the best of it. And as A-H like to say, relationships are forever. Seth said something similar. He said that a person doesn't truly die until everyone who has known that person also has died. Now think about what that means in terms of movie stars or people who got built statues or memorials?
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Post by laughter on Feb 6, 2020 11:50:16 GMT -5
Seth said something similar. He said that a person doesn't truly die until everyone who has known that person also has died. Now think about what that means in terms of movie stars or people who got built statues or memorials? It's actually a point my philosopher mind contemplated when I was younger. Can't remember when I first thought of the idea, but it probably didn't occur until at least my early teens. And of course, ain't nothin' new under the Sun.
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Post by laughter on Feb 6, 2020 12:50:42 GMT -5
It's actually a point my philosopher mind contemplated when I was younger. Can't remember when I first thought of the idea, but it probably didn't occur until at least my early teens. And of course, ain't nothin' new under the Sun.
me too, but I can't remember if it was an original thought, or a take on someone else's ( probably the latter). I doubt I ever extrapolated out to include statues or memorials though.. Right, this is is an example of what the Buddhist idea of dependent origination takes all the way to the bank.
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Post by laughter on Feb 6, 2020 12:51:33 GMT -5
I didn't know who she was until she showed up on the debate stage, and I'm not sure the free world is ready for her to be leader. Every nation gets the government it deserves. - Joseph de Maistre (** shakes head sadly **)
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Post by laughter on Feb 6, 2020 12:59:07 GMT -5
A Course In Miracles is an example of a channeled book soaked in religious wordage. A bit heavy going, but beautiful, if there's one book I could perhaps find a slight remorse at having given away, it would be that one. It's the bible (or Jesus' teaching at least) as it 'should' have been. Of course, she is now in the political arena, and has taken some heavy flak for some of her spiritual views (particular ones that relate to LOA). Wasn't that supposed to be a book on non-duality? Believe it or not, there are people in politics right now who actually go to A-H workshops. So there is indeed some kind of great awakening happening. It's just not that apparent yet to the average Joe who only follows CNN and NYT. But the signs are there, and (from my perspective) rather hard to ignore, even in politics. Anyway, I remember one funny A-H workshop episode from years ago. Abe always used to make fun of Yuma. They had this analogy of Jerry and Esther being stuck in Yuma on their way from Phoenix to San Diego, refusing to use their GPS, and so going back and forth between Phoenix and Yuma and never reaching their destination. So 'Phoenix/Yuma' has become some kind of inside joke in Abe circles. And one day, at some workshop, the mayor of Yuma actually sat there in the hot seat. Fun! I've mentioned this to andy previously: my guess is that the roots of the great awakening precede either of his or my births. A mind conscious of WIBIGO doesn't take it's good fortune for granted. If you look at the sweep of recorded human history, it's a literal miracle that we've gone more than one generation since the invention of nuclear weapons without the large-scale use of them. Judging by results, I can name 2 Soviet, 12 American and 2 Russian heads of state that all had to learn how to be the adults in the room real quick-like, and did. One entirely significant event was the Cuban missile crisis.
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Post by laughter on Feb 6, 2020 14:37:17 GMT -5
Judging by results, I can name 2 Soviet, 12 American and 2 Russian heads of state that all had to learn how to be the adults in the room real quick-like, and did. One entirely significant event was the Cuban missile crisis. our current Secretary of State believes the rapture is coming but when the rubber hits the road I suppose self preservation trumps belief (** muttley snicker **)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 14:47:04 GMT -5
Judging by results, I can name 2 Soviet, 12 American and 2 Russian heads of state that all had to learn how to be the adults in the room real quick-like, and did. One entirely significant event was the Cuban missile crisis. our current Secretary of State believes the rapture is coming but when the rubber hits the road I suppose self preservation trumps belief.
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Post by andrew on Feb 6, 2020 15:30:16 GMT -5
Reckon a lump of rose quartz would probably be quite useful in there! It was quite ironic last year that those giving her a lot of flak were, in part, the 'woke' crowd. The uber-woke folks don't like to hear that we can be responsible for our inner experience. Oddly, I'm sure that 'woke' must have been derived from 'awakening'. I spent a bit of time defending/supporting her on twitter, but really, it was an exercise in damage control. From a mainstream and political p.o.v, some of what she said 10-20 years ago was full on wacky. Quite normal to us though The way I understand it, woke doesn't mean awake in the sense we use the word. It just means being fully aligned with the progressive movement. So some dogmatism has to be expected there. The evolution of the word 'woke' is interesting, and i'm sure it began as 'awake', and was connected to the spiritual version. I think it probably began with the likes of David Icke, who is very multi-layered in his talks. At root, he sees Awareness/Oneness as 'the truth'. But then he goes from that into politics and conspiracy ideas etc. So he mixed the idea of 'awakening' with the idea of seeing clearly how our world is organized. He even had a book/talk which focused on the idea of a 'sleeping lion that awakens'. 10-15 years ago, it was a quite small leap from Icke to Alex Jones, who had millions of followers at his peak, and out of that QAnon emerged, whose followers are largely republican and talk a LOT of being 'awake' (I also note that many declare themselves to be Christian). Amidst all that, we have the likes of Jo Rogan, who has surrounded himself with society's 'interesting' people, including many conspiracy theorists. Among his thousands of comments on his page, over time, I saw the word 'awake' gradually shift to 'woke'. And Jo's fans include many lefties that believe that a small but hegemonic group have marginalized many groups of people. Over a period of time, there was a divergence in his followers between the 'awake/woke left' and the 'awake/woke right'. Rogan is actually a Sanders fan, much to the dismay of his right wing followers. So both sides use it, and use it against each other mockingly and aggressively, and I cringe at both sides use of it, because I know that it did once relate to a core spiritual truth (to be fair, I think both sides are right about some things, though the right....as a collective personality type....resonate with me far less)
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Post by laughter on Feb 6, 2020 15:40:23 GMT -5
The way I understand it, woke doesn't mean awake in the sense we use the word. It just means being fully aligned with the progressive movement. So some dogmatism has to be expected there. The evolution of the word 'woke' is interesting, and i'm sure it began as 'awake', and was connected to the spiritual version. I think it probably began with the likes of David Icke, who is very multi-layered in his talks. At root, he sees Awareness/Oneness as 'the truth'. But then he goes from that into politics and conspiracy ideas etc. So he mixed the idea of 'awakening' with the idea of seeing clearly how our world is organized. He even had a book/talk which focused on the idea of a 'sleeping lion that awakens'. 10-15 years ago, it was a quite small leap from Icke to Alex Jones, who had millions of followers at his peak, and out of that QAnon emerged, whose followers are largely republican and talk a LOT of being 'awake' (I also note that many declare themselves to be Christian). Amidst all that, we have the likes of Jo Rogan, who has surrounded himself with society's 'interesting' people, including many conspiracy theorists. Among his thousands of comments on his page, over time, I saw the word 'awake' gradually shift to 'woke'. And Jo's fans include many lefties that believe that a small but hegemonic group have marginalized many groups of people. Over a period of time, there was a divergence in his followers between the 'awake/woke left' and the 'awake/woke right'. Rogan is actually a Sanders fan, much to the dismay of his right wing followers. So both sides use it, and use it against each other mockingly and aggressively, and I cringe at both sides use of it, because I know that it did once relate to a core spiritual truth (to be fair, I think both sides are right about some things, though the right....as a collective personality type....resonate with me far less) Interesting, and about what I inferred/expected from just noticing the current usage. Also, to follow the thread even further back, the idiom "wake up to the fact" is very old here in the 'States, as is "snap out of it".
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Post by andrew on Feb 6, 2020 16:17:13 GMT -5
The evolution of the word 'woke' is interesting, and i'm sure it began as 'awake', and was connected to the spiritual version. I think it probably began with the likes of David Icke, who is very multi-layered in his talks. At root, he sees Awareness/Oneness as 'the truth'. But then he goes from that into politics and conspiracy ideas etc. So he mixed the idea of 'awakening' with the idea of seeing clearly how our world is organized. He even had a book/talk which focused on the idea of a 'sleeping lion that awakens'. 10-15 years ago, it was a quite small leap from Icke to Alex Jones, who had millions of followers at his peak, and out of that QAnon emerged, whose followers are largely republican and talk a LOT of being 'awake' (I also note that many declare themselves to be Christian). Amidst all that, we have the likes of Jo Rogan, who has surrounded himself with society's 'interesting' people, including many conspiracy theorists. Among his thousands of comments on his page, over time, I saw the word 'awake' gradually shift to 'woke'. And Jo's fans include many lefties that believe that a small but hegemonic group have marginalized many groups of people. Over a period of time, there was a divergence in his followers between the 'awake/woke left' and the 'awake/woke right'. Rogan is actually a Sanders fan, much to the dismay of his right wing followers. So both sides use it, and use it against each other mockingly and aggressively, and I cringe at both sides use of it, because I know that it did once relate to a core spiritual truth (to be fair, I think both sides are right about some things, though the right....as a collective personality type....resonate with me far less) Interesting, and about what I inferred/expected from just noticing the current usage. Also, to follow the thread even further back, the idiom "wake up to the fact" is very old here in the 'States, as is "snap out of it". yeah, good point. I think the oddity of the whole situation is exemplified by both sides attitude to Soros. The QAnon 'right' see him as as a horrible globalist/communist. The 'left' see him as one of the terrible billionaire capitalists. So both groups attack each other for disliking Soros....they basically fight over who has the right to dislike him My personal opinion is that late stage capitalism IS modern day communism, so fighting over capitalism and communism, or whether small state control is better than large state control, is kind of a red herring. I am encouraged by some of the characters I see though, for example I know the QAnon crowd hate AOC, but I appreciate a lot the way she talks.
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Post by laughter on Feb 6, 2020 16:55:24 GMT -5
Interesting, and about what I inferred/expected from just noticing the current usage. Also, to follow the thread even further back, the idiom "wake up to the fact" is very old here in the 'States, as is "snap out of it". yeah, good point. I think the oddity of the whole situation is exemplified by both sides attitude to Soros. The QAnon 'right' see him as as a horrible globalist/communist. The 'left' see him as one of the terrible billionaire capitalists. So both groups attack each other for disliking Soros....they basically fight over who has the right to dislike him My personal opinion is that late stage capitalism IS modern day communism, so fighting over capitalism and communism, or whether small state control is better than large state control, is kind of a red herring. I am encouraged by some of the characters I see though, for example I know the QAnon crowd hate AOC, but I appreciate a lot the way she talks. Even the mainstream media here in the U.S. are starting to get hip to the similarities between Sanders and Trump, in that they're both party outsiders. That's interesting (and quite funny!) about Soros thanks, I never had enough interest to do a dive into what he's all about, despite his name coming up constantly. The sham of party divide is something I realized as a cynical youth, and is yet another data point on "nothin' new under the Sun", as it was, after all, an anarchist who fired the shot that started WWI. I had put a grin after that last sentence, but now that I think about it, I'd rather not. I think the idea of Democracy generally, and the systems engineered by the U.S. founders, in particularl, was to put in place a mechanism for bloodless revolution. Obviously this hasn't worked everywhere it's been tried, but it really is a wonderful ideal.
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