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Post by lolly on Nov 10, 2019 21:13:39 GMT -5
Smooth as Tennessee whisky. Okay now you've gone too far. You've crossed the line. As someone who hails from Scotland I can tell you that there is nothing as smooth as a single malt Scotch whisky. Aye. Och iy a wee dram.
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Post by tenka on Nov 11, 2019 2:44:05 GMT -5
I don't have to defend the logic of my position either, I haven't said that my theory of what we are is Truthy, I am simply explaining that the realisation itself doesn't reveal any theories about the world being a dream and such likes You attack other people’s statements that the dream-like-ness of life comes from their realization by attacking the logic of it (you keep saying “explain it to me, I don’t understand.”) But the logic of your own position falls down on the same grounds. .. I think 'attack' is your over inflated choice of words, I simply point out that the dream statement is not realized .. I also point out that 'what you are is love' is not realized either butt it's a single layered notion that comes to mind post realization because of what the realization brings to the fore when self awareness is again present . My position doesn't fall down because it's not regarded as a Truth realization, it's a simple pointer .. Scratching your bum is not a good pointer that reflects what comes to mind about S.R. Surely you can see that and surely you can see the difference between a simple pointer and a multilayered pointer ..
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Post by tenka on Nov 11, 2019 2:49:43 GMT -5
Many, many enlightened masters throughout history have also described life as dream-like or illusory. And some do point to their butts. That would be a very Zen thing to do, I think. Sure, many masters do point to the dream as being a reality of sorts, butt it's not realized as that . Many masters speak about what you are as Love, butt it's not realized as that . I am not sure what master's point to their butts when asked about S.R. it would be a very odd thing to do .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 7:52:49 GMT -5
I don't have to defend the logic of my position either, I haven't said that my theory of what we are is Truthy, I am simply explaining that the realisation itself doesn't reveal any theories about the world being a dream and such likes You attack other people’s statements that the dream-like-ness of life comes from their realization by attacking the logic of it (you keep saying “explain it to me, I don’t understand.”) But the logic of your own position falls down on the same grounds. Many, many enlightened masters throughout history have also described life as dream-like or illusory. And some do point to their butts. That would be a very Zen thing to do, I think. spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/455371
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Nov 11, 2019 9:34:06 GMT -5
You attack other people’s statements that the dream-like-ness of life comes from their realization by attacking the logic of it (you keep saying “explain it to me, I don’t understand.”) But the logic of your own position falls down on the same grounds. .. I think 'attack' is your over inflated choice of words, I simply point out that the dream statement is not realized .. I also point out that 'what you are is love' is not realized either butt it's a single layered notion that comes to mind post realization because of what the realization brings to the fore when self awareness is again present . Well, it came to your mind. The idea of the dream is also clearly a pointer. Whatever is realized is beyond words -- so beyond words that it cannot even be said to be beyond words. Actually what is realized destroys even the concept of realization. Who says simple is better than so-called multi-layered? Doesn't it depend on the circumstance? “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.”
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Nov 11, 2019 9:35:04 GMT -5
Many, many enlightened masters throughout history have also described life as dream-like or illusory. And some do point to their butts. That would be a very Zen thing to do, I think. Sure, many masters do point to the dream as being a reality of sorts, butt it's not realized as that . Well, it's not realized as anything. If it were realized as anything, it would be a thing. The dream is an extremely common pointer. I bet there's some Zen story about this somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 13:05:59 GMT -5
Sure, many masters do point to the dream as being a reality of sorts, butt it's not realized as that . Well, it's not realized as anything. If it were realized as anything, it would be a thing. The dream is an extremely common pointer. I bet there's some Zen story about this somewhere.How much do you want to lay out?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 13:06:47 GMT -5
.. I think 'attack' is your over inflated choice of words, I simply point out that the dream statement is not realized .. I also point out that 'what you are is love' is not realized either butt it's a single layered notion that comes to mind post realization because of what the realization brings to the fore when self awareness is again present . Well, it came to your mind. The idea of the dream is also clearly a pointer. Whatever is realized is beyond words -- so beyond words that it cannot even be said to be beyond words. Actually what is realized destroys even the concept of realization. Who says simple is better than so-called multi-layered? Doesn't it depend on the circumstance? “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.” Who said that?
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Post by zendancer on Nov 11, 2019 15:21:33 GMT -5
Well, it came to your mind. The idea of the dream is also clearly a pointer. Whatever is realized is beyond words -- so beyond words that it cannot even be said to be beyond words. Actually what is realized destroys even the concept of realization. Who says simple is better than so-called multi-layered? Doesn't it depend on the circumstance? “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.” Who said that? Somebody well known, but I can't remember who due to age-related cognitive decline.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 15:26:25 GMT -5
Somebody well known, but I can't remember who due to age-related cognitive decline. Google says.. Henry Louis Mencken, (born September 12, 1880, Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.—died January 29, 1956, Baltimore).. does that ring any distant bells..?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 16:33:48 GMT -5
To bicker about pointers appears to be a requisite of Self Realization.
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Post by zendancer on Nov 11, 2019 16:38:41 GMT -5
Somebody well known, but I can't remember who due to age-related cognitive decline. Google says.. Henry Louis Mencken, (born September 12, 1880, Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.—died January 29, 1956, Baltimore).. does that ring any distant bells..? Yes, he made many memorable quotes--mostly ascerbic or wryly humorous in nature.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 16:47:11 GMT -5
From Michael James "Happiness and the Art of Being" explaining Ramana's teaching.
"So long as we mistake duality and relativity to be real, we cannot experience the absolute reality as it truly is. Conversely and more importantly, until we experience the absolute reality as it truly is, we cannot avoid mistaking duality and relativity to be real. Therefore, to transcend and free ourselves from all duality and relativity, and all the confusion that results therefrom, we must gain true experiential knowledge of the absolute reality."
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 11, 2019 17:29:18 GMT -5
Google says.. Henry Louis Mencken, (born September 12, 1880, Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.—died January 29, 1956, Baltimore).. does that ring any distant bells..? Yes, he made many memorable quotes--mostly ascerbic or wryly humorous in nature. More memorably, H L Mencken.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 18:13:29 GMT -5
Google says.. Henry Louis Mencken, (born September 12, 1880, Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.—died January 29, 1956, Baltimore).. does that ring any distant bells..? Yes, he made many memorable quotes--mostly ascerbic or wryly humorous in nature. "On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." .. "The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." "The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it." "The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely." "It is the dull man who is always sure, and the sure man who is always dull." .. "It was morality that burned the books of the ancient sages, and morality that halted the free inquiry of the Golden Age and substituted for it the credulous imbecility of the Age of Faith. It was a fixed moral code and a fixed theology which robbed the human race of a thousand years by wasting them upon alchemy, heretic-burning, witchcraft and sacerdotalism."
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