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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 3, 2019 16:52:29 GMT -5
It takes accumulating and memorizing a lot of knowledge to get a medical degree. I use to tell my ex-wife, herself a psychiatric medical doctor, that a diploma on the wall, however, was no guarantee of Understanding. In fact, a diploma on a wall can be quite hypnotic, for both a doctor and a patient. A patient might see it on the wall and think to themselves, "my doctor must know exactly what he is talking about". The doctor might see it and come to believe that a diploma on the wall makes him an authority on whatever he utters. Like you, my wife couldn't understand what I was getting on about. Physician's diagnose a possible disease/disorder based on a particular symptom/sign told by his patient. Unfortunately, the Physician can't do P. E. if the patient is not physically present. Many physicians treat cases from phone calls /texts. We are not talking about not being physically present. Apparently though, from what you wrote in your first line, seems you do not know how to treat an unconscious patient. Now that's a scary thought about someone who is an MD.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 16:55:55 GMT -5
Physician's diagnose a possible disease/disorder based on a particular symptom/sign told by his patient. Unfortunately, the Physician can't do P. E. if the patient is not physically present. Many physicians treat cases from phone calls /texts. We are not talking about not being physically present. Apparently though, from what you wrote in your first line, seems you do not know how to treat an unconscious patient. Now that's a scary thought about someone who is an MD. If you are unconscious you must either be asleep or in coma..
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 3, 2019 18:27:35 GMT -5
We are not talking about not being physically present. Apparently though, from what you wrote in your first line, seems you do not know how to treat an unconscious patient. Now that's a scary thought about someone who is an MD. If you are unconscious you must either be asleep or in coma.. The word unconscious points to more meaning than just being asleep or in a coma. Luke 23:34 is another example. In any case, it's pretty clear that the limits of this particular convo have been reached. Peace, out!
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Post by enigma on Mar 3, 2019 18:42:05 GMT -5
Teachers point because they're still seeking 'it' themselves. That's not to say that they are useless, they are not the blind leading the blind. They have great insight and valuable experience, it's just that they're not finished with the interest (or it's not finished with them). Simply, they are interested in 'it', and all interest is seeking. They might have that interest their whole lives and be great teachers. For Duality devotees the Absolute Truth is already found. He's Krsna, Christ, Buddha, Yahweh, Allah. The Absolute Truth is called by many names. For Non - Duality devotees these names are illusory. They don't point to Absolute Truth. So, they search further for that which is Absolute. Yet they don't seem to find it. While Duality devotees end their search with praise and worship. For Non - Duality devotees their pointing at the Absolute Truth never ends. Because they can't exactly locate it. What, eggzackly, is a duality devotee?
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Post by enigma on Mar 3, 2019 19:17:50 GMT -5
We are not talking about not being physically present. Apparently though, from what you wrote in your first line, seems you do not know how to treat an unconscious patient. Now that's a scary thought about someone who is an MD. If you are unconscious you must either be asleep or in coma.. There are many reasons why a person may be unconscious. Ask your doctor about it.
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 3, 2019 20:12:26 GMT -5
What, eggzackly, is a duality devotee? Someone who believes in duality? The following is from Wikipedia and probably explains what he means by it. "The Dvaita Vedanta school of Indian philosophy espouses a dualism between God and the universe by theorizing the existence of two separate realities. The first and the more important reality is that of Shiva or Shakti or Vishnu or Brahman. Shiva or Shakti or Vishnu is the supreme Self, God, the absolute truth of the universe, the independent reality. The second reality is that of dependent but equally real universe that exists with its own separate essence. Everything that is composed of the second reality, such as individual soul (Jiva), matter, etc. exist with their own separate reality."
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Post by enigma on Mar 3, 2019 20:22:42 GMT -5
What, eggzackly, is a duality devotee? Someone who believes in duality? The following is from Wikipedia and probably explains what he means by it. "The Dvaita Vedanta school of Indian philosophy espouses a dualism between God and the universe by theorizing the existence of two separate realities. The first and the more important reality is that of Shiva or Shakti or Vishnu or Brahman. Shiva or Shakti or Vishnu is the supreme Self, God, the absolute truth of the universe, the independent reality. The second reality is that of dependent but equally real universe that exists with its own separate essence. Everything that is composed of the second reality, such as individual soul (Jiva), matter, etc. exist with their own separate reality." Okay, thanks. I'll wait for K to confirm it by telling a story about how his dad liked to play golf on Wednesdays.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2019 20:38:27 GMT -5
Someone who believes in duality? The following is from Wikipedia and probably explains what he means by it. "The Dvaita Vedanta school of Indian philosophy espouses a dualism between God and the universe by theorizing the existence of two separate realities. The first and the more important reality is that of Shiva or Shakti or Vishnu or Brahman. Shiva or Shakti or Vishnu is the supreme Self, God, the absolute truth of the universe, the independent reality. The second reality is that of dependent but equally real universe that exists with its own separate essence. Everything that is composed of the second reality, such as individual soul (Jiva), matter, etc. exist with their own separate reality." Okay, thanks. I'll wait for K to confirm it by telling a story about how his dad liked to play golf on Wednesdays. Duality is the opposite of Non - Duality. The (-) and (+) .The Yin and Yang. One can't be without the other. So Lord Caitanya came out with this philosophy "acintya - bheda - abheda - tattva " that both is simultaneously one yet different. This was an attempt to reconcile Advaita and Dvaita philosophies. Earlier there was only the Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare mantra. To come up with that idea incorporate the Hare Krsna mantra with the Hare Rama mantra the Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. With this development its hoped this will stop the long quarrel between Non - Dualist and Dualist devotees in this age of Kali-yuga By the way, my deceased father played golf on Saturdays On Sundays he went to roosterpits to bet on roosters with gaffs fight to death.
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Post by laughter on Mar 3, 2019 20:39:33 GMT -5
Genuine insight can't fail but drop the realized to their knees, and real devotion can never fail to reveal the existential truth. Now when the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance (Acts 2:1-4). (** muttley snicker **)
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Post by laughter on Mar 3, 2019 20:45:31 GMT -5
I'm telling you. If you insist of removing the mind because you become slave. You are out of your mind. The likelihood you will get Alzheimer's is not farfetch. This is my advice to you as an authority in medicine. It takes accumulating and memorizing a lot of knowledge to get a medical degree. I use to tell my ex-wife, herself a psychiatric medical doctor, that a diploma on the wall, however, was no guarantee of Understanding. In fact, a diploma on a wall can be quite hypnotic, for both a doctor and a patient. A patient might see it on the wall and think to themselves, "my doctor must know exactly what he is talking about". The doctor might see it and come to believe that a diploma on the wall makes him an authority on whatever he utters. Like you, my wife couldn't understand what I was getting on about. Did it seem to you as you were reading and writing in this exchange as if you were arguing with him?
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 3, 2019 20:53:49 GMT -5
It takes accumulating and memorizing a lot of knowledge to get a medical degree. I use to tell my ex-wife, herself a psychiatric medical doctor, that a diploma on the wall, however, was no guarantee of Understanding. In fact, a diploma on a wall can be quite hypnotic, for both a doctor and a patient. A patient might see it on the wall and think to themselves, "my doctor must know exactly what he is talking about". The doctor might see it and come to believe that a diploma on the wall makes him an authority on whatever he utters. Like you, my wife couldn't understand what I was getting on about. Did it seem to you as you were reading and writing in this exchange as if you were arguing with him? It didn't, no. Edited it: but I guess I'm not exactly sure what you mean by arguing.
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Post by enigma on Mar 4, 2019 10:54:52 GMT -5
Okay, thanks. I'll wait for K to confirm it by telling a story about how his dad liked to play golf on Wednesdays. Duality is the opposite of Non - Duality. The (-) and (+) .The Yin and Yang. One can't be without the other. So Lord Caitanya came out with this philosophy "acintya - bheda - abheda - tattva " that both is simultaneously one yet different. This was an attempt to reconcile Advaita and Dvaita philosophies. Earlier there was only the Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare mantra. To come up with that idea incorporate the Hare Krsna mantra with the Hare Rama mantra the Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. With this development its hoped this will stop the long quarrel between Non - Dualist and Dualist devotees in this age of Kali-yuga By the way, my deceased father played golf on Saturdays On Sundays he went to roosterpits to bet on roosters with gaffs fight to death. What is a dualist devotee?
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Post by andrew on Mar 4, 2019 15:02:52 GMT -5
Jeff Foster posted this on twitter. How true it is I can't say. gurumag.com/becoming-god-inside-moojis-portugal-cult/?fbclid=IwAR0oVHZnyZUxgStYIelgbTCHqy-hlyEeq3HhbkdEYUvZuc2YE5zau0hidCsIf true, looks like there's not enough 'killing the Buddha' happening. From Jeff. ''Every day, another guru or cult leader's abuse exposed. Every day, behind the "expert" facade, a flawed human being revealed, an amateur pretending to be perfect and beyond reproach and even beyond their humanity. Friends, an old patriarchal 'spirituality' is truly crumbling! A spirituality that does not embrace the full spectrum of what it means to be a fragile and imperfect human being, a spirituality that shames, invalidates, guilt-trips and denies the divine feminine, a spirituality that is at war with our precious vulnerable sensitive heartbroken human selves, a spirituality that opposes duality and bypasses our deepest wounds and trauma and makes 'nonduality' into an impenetrable and inaccessible and rigid dogma, available only to "special ones", is not the kind of spirituality that I ever wish to be associated with. God bless our tender human hearts! God bless our doubts and imperfections! I pray for all victims of abuse, everywhere. I pray that all involved find healing. No more gurus, no more experts and cult-leaders, no more "perfect beings", no more eternal bliss, no more blind devotion to god-like figures of our own projection! No more seeking special states and experiences! Just life. Raw fucking ordinary life. Raw imperfect messy fucking ordinary life. And meeting that, digesting that, leaning into that, embracing that, with curiosity and an open heart, with humility and wonder, moment by moment, moment by precious moment. No answers. No levels of attainment. No more kissing the feet of special awakened beings with no faults and with all the answers. That old guru dream is dying. We are all perfectly beautiful amateurs, here in the Heart of Hearts.
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Mar 4, 2019 15:29:40 GMT -5
The piece reads like a lazily written and vindictive hit piece from a fringe writer. It's just a collection of quotes from people angry at Mooji. By their nature, spiritual teachers attract those who project their own delusions, fantasies, and personal issues onto the guru. Not to say it's all untrue -- who knows? -- but there is zero corroboration given outside of these quotes. Nor is there any information from people who have opposing points of view, and there are many.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 16:05:27 GMT -5
The piece reads like a lazily written and vindictive hit piece from a fringe writer. It's just a collection of quotes from people angry at Mooji. By their nature, spiritual teachers attract who project their own delusions, fantasies, and personal issues onto the guru. Not to say it's all untrue -- who knows? -- but there is zero corroboration given outside of these quotes. Nor is there any information from people who have opposing points of view, and there are many.
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