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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 24, 2017 17:57:52 GMT -5
Dear Silv & Stardust Pilgrim, diabetes is that the beta cells of the pancreas can no longer produce the right amount of insulin needed to lower the blood sugar level between 70-100. Even if we fast or go on a diet, a diabetic will have to take an oral hypoglycemic medicine to control the above normal blood sugar. These hypoglycemic agents stimulate the exhausted pancreas to produce more insulin. Without these drugs, controlling elevated blood sugar levels through exercise and dieting do help provided you can maintain this regimen for life. So, the easiest way out is to take anti-diabetic drugs or receive insulin injections. Often times, laziness to do exercise and not being determined to go on a diet means lack of discipline and focus for those diabetics who prefer the easier path, take hypoglycemic drugs or do insulin. I agree krs, but I've caught my problem early and I'm taking necessary steps to keep from getting type 2 diabetes. The best book I've come across on diabetesI the Diabetes Solution by Richard Bernstein. He was about 11 and was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. He did research on himself and had solutions and data, but nobody would listen to him. So at age 45 he went to medical school and became a doctor to get credentials so people would listen to him. If you want to get your sugar down, listen to him (he is more strict on eating than anybody else). His personal goal for blood sugar (his big thing is sugar levels 2 hours after eating, for diabetics, 3 hours for non-diabetics) is 83. He says most doctors have too broad of goals for sugar levels.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 24, 2017 18:28:09 GMT -5
Once 125, right, no biggie. But if you are consistently, after eight hours fasting (overnight) between 100 and 125, that's prediabetes. Richards says 2 meals a day is ok if that's the only way you can go 5-6 hours between meals. What's important is you need to eat enough calories so that your body does not go into starvation mode. That's very bad, as the job of leptin is to keep you at your set weight. If you eat too few calories trying to lose weight, when you increase calories, your body turns the extra calories into fat. This is the basis of yo-yo diet-gain. It's been very interesting learning about hormones and how the body deals with eating. Very good on the weight loss. ..... Richards says with the five rules you can gradually lose fat and keep lowering your set point. ....until you reach a healthy weight. You don't get intermittent fasting. You need to go see Butter Bob on yt and there will be other directly related presenters, including experts surrounding BB's vids. You need to see what it involves - intermittent fasting and/or ketosis style eating (I don't like using the worn-out word 'diet'). Knowing what I know and having experienced what I have, I can't agree with you and Richards. What our bodies do regarding food, nutrition, habits, differences in individuals, we can't really know enough. But you reach a point when you understand how it all comes together - I couldn't decide which video to recommend you watch first, both being sort of similar: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sAqy1lnWXo&list=PLkQCEsFtjG1cZae6JceyslVJ7F4uInIkX&index=2or www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDzJKaBvOGw&t=1345sThere are so many of his videos that would/could help you understand better about all this stuff. I think I've watched all of his vids. I don't think I commented on intermittent fasting. I've done intermittent fasting, used it for over two years. There are different ways. I've tried the following. Eat what you're going to eat in a 24 hr period, within six- eight hours. For instance, no breakfast, eat at 12:00 noon. Eat second meal 6-8 oclock. Or, fast two nonconsecutive days, meaning, eat no more than 600 calories two days a week. The other 5 days eat normally. These did not work for me. I also tried 3 & 1/2 day fasting. This worked, I could lose up to 5 lbs. This was recommended only once a month. I was only weak the third day. I would gain some back, for a day or so, but within a week was back down to my weigh after fasting. But then I could not lose again until fasting again. (Trying the described means). But all this was before my prediabetes. I'm not trying to change how you are losing weight. I've lost 18 lbs in about 3 months (was already trying to lose). Doing the five rules has worked best for me (plus I've gone from 2 miles to 4.5-5 miles a day, walking, for the last 5 weeks. That's because i got stuck on 227 lbs for 2 weeks straight, have since lost 9 lbs).
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Post by silver on Sept 24, 2017 19:07:12 GMT -5
You don't get intermittent fasting. You need to go see Butter Bob on yt and there will be other directly related presenters, including experts surrounding BB's vids. You need to see what it involves - intermittent fasting and/or ketosis style eating (I don't like using the worn-out word 'diet'). Knowing what I know and having experienced what I have, I can't agree with you and Richards. What our bodies do regarding food, nutrition, habits, differences in individuals, we can't really know enough. But you reach a point when you understand how it all comes together - I couldn't decide which video to recommend you watch first, both being sort of similar: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sAqy1lnWXo&list=PLkQCEsFtjG1cZae6JceyslVJ7F4uInIkX&index=2or www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDzJKaBvOGw&t=1345sThere are so many of his videos that would/could help you understand better about all this stuff. I think I've watched all of his vids. I don't think I commented on intermittent fasting. I've done intermittent fasting, used it for over two years. There are different ways. I've tried the following. Eat what you're going to eat in a 24 hr period, within six- eight hours. For instance, no breakfast, eat at 12:00 noon. Eat second meal 6-8 oclock. Or, fast two nonconsecutive days, meaning, eat no more than 600 calories two days a week. The other 5 days eat normally. These did not work for me. I also tried 3 & 1/2 day fasting. This worked, I could lose up to 5 lbs. This was recommended only once a month. I was only weak the third day. I would gain some back, for a day or so, but within a week was back down to my weigh after fasting. But then I could not lose again until fasting again. (Trying the described means). But all this was before my prediabetes. I'm not trying to change how you are losing weight. I've lost 18 lbs in about 3 months (was already trying to lose). Doing the five rules has worked best for me (plus I've gone from 2 miles to 4.5-5 miles a day, walking, for the last 5 weeks. That's because i got stuck on 227 lbs for 2 weeks straight, have since lost 9 lbs). Well, the reason I commented on it is because once I started watching those videos about it, I was rather blown away by this new information and/or new way of understanding the basics. It opened my eyes to this seemingly new 'thing' of intermittent fasting and keto type eating and what it could do to improve the lives of those suffering from diabetes, etc. AND I KNOW you aren't trying to change how I'm losing weight. If you're not ready to learn new info about IF and K eating, then that's that. There are a few basic ways of doing the IF, so it allows for individual preferences, which always helps. I started out with 2 meals a day, then went to 1 meal a day. I believe I never did care for breakfast because my parents would serve cold cereal mostly and it's worse than Chinese food - I was always hungry like half an hour later - should've been eating mainly proteins. Glad to hear you're getting a handle on your eating and exercise.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 24, 2017 19:20:35 GMT -5
Once 125, right, no biggie. But if you are consistently, after eight hours fasting (overnight) between 100 and 125, that's prediabetes. Richards says 2 meals a day is ok if that's the only way you can go 5-6 hours between meals. What's important is you need to eat enough calories so that your body does not go into starvation mode. That's very bad, as the job of leptin is to keep you at your set weight. If you eat too few calories trying to lose weight, when you increase calories, your body turns the extra calories into fat. This is the basis of yo-yo diet-gain. It's been very interesting learning about hormones and how the body deals with eating. Very good on the weight loss. ..... Richards says with the five rules you can gradually lose fat and keep lowering your set point. ....until you reach a healthy weight. You don't get intermittent fasting. You need to go see Butter Bob on yt and there will be other directly related presenters, including experts surrounding BB's vids. You need to see what it involves - intermittent fasting and/or ketosis style eating (I don't like using the worn-out word 'diet'). Knowing what I know and having experienced what I have, I can't agree with you and Richards. What our bodies do regarding food, nutrition, habits, differences in individuals, we can't really know enough. But you reach a point when you understand how it all comes together - I couldn't decide which video to recommend you watch first, both being sort of similar: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sAqy1lnWXo&list=PLkQCEsFtjG1cZae6JceyslVJ7F4uInIkX&index=2or www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDzJKaBvOGw&t=1345sThere are so many of his videos that would/could help you understand better about all this stuff. I think I've watched all of his vids. Here's what I've learned. Leptin was discovered in the 1990's. Fat is essentially an organ. Leptin is produced by fat (the fat "organ"). When you eat the pancreas makes insulin to clear the bloodstream of sugar. If all things are working properly, sugar goes first into muscle tissue for immediate use. When this is fulfilled sugar is then stored in the liver. When this is fulfilled then insulin has the job of storing the sugar as fat. What scientists didn't know until leptin was discovered is that leptin controls this whole process. When you have eaten enough, leptin tells the brain to tell the stomach, we're full, you're no longer hungry, quit eating. This is called balanced leptin mode. But if one is carrying too much fat, too much leptin is put into the system. This causes leptin resistance, leptin doesn't enter the brain, so the brain thinks the body needs more (stored) fat, so the brain doesn't send the message, stop eating. So one has food cravings even though they do not need more food. The next leptin mode is starvation mode. Anybody can go into starvation mode, even overweight people. The basic job of leptin is to keep you at you present weight (already mentioned). So if you are 100 lbs overeweight, leptin tries to keep you at that weight. So if today you eat too few calories, tomorrow when you eat say only 1000 calories, even though normally you would be losing from this, leptin tells the body to turn this to fat, to maintain the 100 lbs (extra-but-normal). This is the result of yo-yo dieting. So the key is to eat in a manner so that the body does not go into starvation-mode. (The five rules). Being in starvation mode is why some people cannot lose weight even on a very low calorie diet. The next mode is famine-recovery mode, already discussed. The body remembers its former weight set point, and when you eat even a little extra food, it goes to fat. The last leptin mode is fat-burning mode. Here is how it's supposed to work. You eat. It takes 2-3 hours for insulin to clear most of the sugar out of the bloodstream. When the muscles have been supplied with sugar (as spoken about), when the liver is full of sugar (as mentioned), now the body needs fuel to operate by, so the body goes into fat-burning mode, converts fat back to sugar. This should happen after every meal, after about 3 & 1/2 hours and until you eat again, then the cycle starts again. But leptin resistance stops the process. And then leptin resistance causes insulin resistance, which results in prediabetes and if no changes are made, type 2 diabetes. Insulin resistance is when the blood is full of sugar, which "knocks" on the cell wall saying, I need to enter, but the cells do not open the door to let sugar enter, so the sugar is turned to fat. ...the whole system breaks down, and is difficult to fix. Richards says the five rules are the best means to lose fat slowly, without putting the body in starvation-mode, and gradually keep moving the set point downward. Since I've been doing the five rules, I don't gain back. That works for me. Oh....the reason for no snacking between meals is it breaks the cycle. If you eat it restarts the process, and you do not make it to fat-burning mode. Same reason for no eating after dinner/supper. Richards says sleeping is one's biggest time of fat-burning mode. If you eat after dinner/supper, it shortens fat-burning time.
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Post by silver on Sept 25, 2017 1:06:23 GMT -5
You don't get intermittent fasting. You need to go see Butter Bob on yt and there will be other directly related presenters, including experts surrounding BB's vids. You need to see what it involves - intermittent fasting and/or ketosis style eating (I don't like using the worn-out word 'diet'). Knowing what I know and having experienced what I have, I can't agree with you and Richards. What our bodies do regarding food, nutrition, habits, differences in individuals, we can't really know enough. But you reach a point when you understand how it all comes together - I couldn't decide which video to recommend you watch first, both being sort of similar: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sAqy1lnWXo&list=PLkQCEsFtjG1cZae6JceyslVJ7F4uInIkX&index=2or www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDzJKaBvOGw&t=1345sThere are so many of his videos that would/could help you understand better about all this stuff. I think I've watched all of his vids. Here's what I've learned. Leptin was discovered in the 1990's. Fat is essentially an organ. Leptin is produced by fat (the fat "organ"). When you eat the pancreas makes insulin to clear the bloodstream of sugar. If all things are working properly, sugar goes first into muscle tissue for immediate use. When this is fulfilled sugar is then stored in the liver. When this is fulfilled then insulin has the job of storing the sugar as fat. What scientists didn't know until leptin was discovered is that leptin controls this whole process. When you have eaten enough, leptin tells the brain to tell the stomach, we're full, you're no longer hungry, quit eating. This is called balanced leptin mode. But if one is carrying too much fat, too much leptin is put into the system. This causes leptin resistance, leptin doesn't enter the brain, so the brain thinks the body needs more (stored) fat, so the brain doesn't send the message, stop eating. So one has food cravings even though they do not need more food. The next leptin mode is starvation mode. Anybody can go into starvation mode, even overweight people. The basic job of leptin is to keep you at you present weight (already mentioned). So if you are 100 lbs overeweight, leptin tries to keep you at that weight. So if today you eat too few calories, tomorrow when you eat say only 1000 calories, even though normally you would be losing from this, leptin tells the body to turn this to fat, to maintain the 100 lbs (extra-but-normal). This is the result of yo-yo dieting. So the key is to eat in a manner so that the body does not go into starvation-mode. (The five rules). Being in starvation mode is why some people cannot lose weight even on a very low calorie diet. The next mode is famine-recovery mode, already discussed. The body remembers its former weight set point, and when you eat even a little extra food, it goes to fat. The last leptin mode is fat-burning mode. Here is how it's supposed to work. You eat. It takes 2-3 hours for insulin to clear most of the sugar out of the bloodstream. When the muscles have been supplied with sugar (as spoken about), when the liver is full of sugar (as mentioned), now the body needs fuel to operate by, so the body goes into fat-burning mode, converts fat back to sugar. This should happen after every meal, after about 3 & 1/2 hours and until you eat again, then the cycle starts again. But leptin resistance stops the process. And then leptin resistance causes insulin resistance, which results in prediabetes and if no changes are made, type 2 diabetes. Insulin resistance is when the blood is full of sugar, which "knocks" on the cell wall saying, I need to enter, but the cells do not open the door to let sugar enter, so the sugar is turned to fat. ...the whole system breaks down, and is difficult to fix. Richards says the five rules are the best means to lose fat slowly, without putting the body in starvation-mode, and gradually keep moving the set point downward. Since I've been doing the five rules, I don't gain back. That works for me. Oh....the reason for no snacking between meals is it breaks the cycle. If you eat it restarts the process, and you do not make it to fat-burning mode. Same reason for no eating after dinner/supper. Richards says sleeping is one's biggest time of fat-burning mode. If you eat after dinner/supper, it shortens fat-burning time. Once again, I don't think he has everything nailed shut (Richards)...I am sure that he has at the very least a partial answer, but only a partial answer/explanation as to how it all works. I'm re-watching one of BB's best scientific explanation for how insulin works and what it does when a person is overweight. If you watch nothing else of his videos on YT, watch this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sAqy1lnWXo&t=3sI discovered that the first one I posted was right for me at the time, but the one above I just mentioned will probably be better for you - and me as I found some distracting things in the 1st one. I'm glad that you think the way you're doing it is working for you, but I believe BB's videos can help add some pieces to the puzzle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 3:19:01 GMT -5
well I've lost 30 lbs since May.. simply by walking more and eating less
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 25, 2017 7:10:58 GMT -5
well I've lost 30 lbs since May.. simply by walking more and eating less That's fantastic farmer. I used to be able to do that. Two years ago I tried to lose weight for my blood pressure, had difficulty. Almost four years ago (will be December) I retired from electrical work. In about six months I gained about 35 lbs (nonsense, too much eating), after the six months stopped gaining (stopped nonsense too much eating) but it has been very hard to lose since then. Sounds like all your hormones are working properly, very good. Possible diabetes has put a good scare in me, so I'm on the right track now. Diabetes just destroys the body, learned that from my father (he thought he could eat what he wanted to as long as he took his meds).
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 25, 2017 7:24:51 GMT -5
Here's what I've learned. Leptin was discovered in the 1990's. Fat is essentially an organ. Leptin is produced by fat (the fat "organ"). When you eat the pancreas makes insulin to clear the bloodstream of sugar. If all things are working properly, sugar goes first into muscle tissue for immediate use. When this is fulfilled sugar is then stored in the liver. When this is fulfilled then insulin has the job of storing the sugar as fat. What scientists didn't know until leptin was discovered is that leptin controls this whole process. When you have eaten enough, leptin tells the brain to tell the stomach, we're full, you're no longer hungry, quit eating. This is called balanced leptin mode. But if one is carrying too much fat, too much leptin is put into the system. This causes leptin resistance, leptin doesn't enter the brain, so the brain thinks the body needs more (stored) fat, so the brain doesn't send the message, stop eating. So one has food cravings even though they do not need more food. The next leptin mode is starvation mode. Anybody can go into starvation mode, even overweight people. The basic job of leptin is to keep you at you present weight (already mentioned). So if you are 100 lbs overeweight, leptin tries to keep you at that weight. So if today you eat too few calories, tomorrow when you eat say only 1000 calories, even though normally you would be losing from this, leptin tells the body to turn this to fat, to maintain the 100 lbs (extra-but-normal). This is the result of yo-yo dieting. So the key is to eat in a manner so that the body does not go into starvation-mode. (The five rules). Being in starvation mode is why some people cannot lose weight even on a very low calorie diet. The next mode is famine-recovery mode, already discussed. The body remembers its former weight set point, and when you eat even a little extra food, it goes to fat. The last leptin mode is fat-burning mode. Here is how it's supposed to work. You eat. It takes 2-3 hours for insulin to clear most of the sugar out of the bloodstream. When the muscles have been supplied with sugar (as spoken about), when the liver is full of sugar (as mentioned), now the body needs fuel to operate by, so the body goes into fat-burning mode, converts fat back to sugar. This should happen after every meal, after about 3 & 1/2 hours and until you eat again, then the cycle starts again. But leptin resistance stops the process. And then leptin resistance causes insulin resistance, which results in prediabetes and if no changes are made, type 2 diabetes. Insulin resistance is when the blood is full of sugar, which "knocks" on the cell wall saying, I need to enter, but the cells do not open the door to let sugar enter, so the sugar is turned to fat. ...the whole system breaks down, and is difficult to fix. Richards says the five rules are the best means to lose fat slowly, without putting the body in starvation-mode, and gradually keep moving the set point downward. Since I've been doing the five rules, I don't gain back. That works for me. Oh....the reason for no snacking between meals is it breaks the cycle. If you eat it restarts the process, and you do not make it to fat-burning mode. Same reason for no eating after dinner/supper. Richards says sleeping is one's biggest time of fat-burning mode. If you eat after dinner/supper, it shortens fat-burning time. Once again, I don't think he has everything nailed shut (Richards)...I am sure that he has at the very least a partial answer, but only a partial answer/explanation as to how it all works. I'm re-watching one of BB's best scientific explanation for how insulin works and what it does when a person is overweight. If you watch nothing else of his videos on YT, watch this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sAqy1lnWXo&t=3sI discovered that the first one I posted was right for me at the time, but the one above I just mentioned will probably be better for you - and me as I found some distracting things in the 1st one. I'm glad that you think the way you're doing it is working for you, but I believe BB's videos can help add some pieces to the puzzle. Thanks, I will have time to look at it today. If insulin can't clear the blood of sugar, a nasty feedback loop tells the pancreas, more insulin needed. This doesn't work. A row of dominos create one problem after another, the body trying to fix itself. Things get very wacky. Inflamation is a key part of the problem. It's complicated. The Leptin Diet is the 5th of five key books I've found (already metioned Diabetes Solution). .... My sugar was 94 this morning...woo! hoo!
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Post by krsnaraja on Sept 25, 2017 9:04:54 GMT -5
Dear Silv & Stardust Pilgrim, diabetes is that the beta cells of the pancreas can no longer produce the right amount of insulin needed to lower the blood sugar level between 70-100. Even if we fast or go on a diet, a diabetic will have to take an oral hypoglycemic medicine to control the above normal blood sugar. These hypoglycemic agents stimulate the exhausted pancreas to produce more insulin. Without these drugs, controlling elevated blood sugar levels through exercise and dieting do help provided you can maintain this regimen for life. So, the easiest way out is to take anti-diabetic drugs or receive insulin injections. Often times, laziness to do exercise and not being determined to go on a diet means lack of discipline and focus for those diabetics who prefer the easier path, take hypoglycemic drugs or do insulin. I agree krs, but I've caught my problem early and I'm taking necessary steps to keep from getting type 2 diabetes. The best book I've come across on diabetesI the Diabetes Solution by Richard Bernstein. He was about 11 and was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. He did research on himself and had solutions and data, but nobody would listen to him. So at age 45 he went to medical school and became a doctor to get credentials so people would listen to him. If you want to get your sugar down, listen to him (he is more strict on eating than anybody else). His personal goal for blood sugar (his big thing is sugar levels 2 hours after eating, for diabetics, 3 hours for non-diabetics) is 83. He says most doctors have too broad of goals for sugar levels. I did not know I had diabetes a year ago. When I suffered a heart attack in September 11, 2007, my cardiologist prescribed me a diabetic diet ( only 1 cup of rice per meal ). I was puzzled because my fasting/random blood sugar was only within 70-100 gms %. I challenged myself thereafter I wont get diabetes if replace drinking water with soft drinks. This I did for many years. Of course, I drank water but it did not stop me from drinking coca cola ( my favorite ) and root beer plus taking snacks in between meals. I should say I voluntarily chose to become a diabetic. So, when I had my blood sugar taken a year I go, I discovered my blood sugar was above normal. My theory is that if you do not without letup stop continue eating chocolates, ice cream, cakes and drinking coca cola sooner or later your pancreas exhaust itself. It has become shriveled and old. It can not anymore produce exactly the right amount of insulin needed for the sugar ( glucose ) to enter the cells of the body. The excess un-absorbed blood sugar ( glucose ) is either excreted by the kidneys through the urine or is converted to fat. That`s why diabetics also have elevated serum cholesterol/triglyceride level. This can cause obesity, fatty liver, elevated liver enzyme ( SGPT ). To get rid of the excess fat, eating animal meat is discourage. Eating sea foods I recommend. The diet should be more on vegetables and fruits. If possible no rice. Exercise regularly is also a way to reduce the excess weight/fat/blood sugar. Yet people are lazy. They still stick to their old dietary habits. Still drink beer and soft drinks. Relying more on drugs to reduce the fat and blood sugar. That`s something`s never change. But who cares everybody dies. Some early while others later. But we all have to go. Just make those moments useful, diabetes or no diabetes.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 25, 2017 14:42:06 GMT -5
Here's what I've learned. Leptin was discovered in the 1990's. Fat is essentially an organ. Leptin is produced by fat (the fat "organ"). When you eat the pancreas makes insulin to clear the bloodstream of sugar. If all things are working properly, sugar goes first into muscle tissue for immediate use. When this is fulfilled sugar is then stored in the liver. When this is fulfilled then insulin has the job of storing the sugar as fat. What scientists didn't know until leptin was discovered is that leptin controls this whole process. When you have eaten enough, leptin tells the brain to tell the stomach, we're full, you're no longer hungry, quit eating. This is called balanced leptin mode. But if one is carrying too much fat, too much leptin is put into the system. This causes leptin resistance, leptin doesn't enter the brain, so the brain thinks the body needs more (stored) fat, so the brain doesn't send the message, stop eating. So one has food cravings even though they do not need more food. The next leptin mode is starvation mode. Anybody can go into starvation mode, even overweight people. The basic job of leptin is to keep you at you present weight (already mentioned). So if you are 100 lbs overeweight, leptin tries to keep you at that weight. So if today you eat too few calories, tomorrow when you eat say only 1000 calories, even though normally you would be losing from this, leptin tells the body to turn this to fat, to maintain the 100 lbs (extra-but-normal). This is the result of yo-yo dieting. So the key is to eat in a manner so that the body does not go into starvation-mode. (The five rules). Being in starvation mode is why some people cannot lose weight even on a very low calorie diet. The next mode is famine-recovery mode, already discussed. The body remembers its former weight set point, and when you eat even a little extra food, it goes to fat. The last leptin mode is fat-burning mode. Here is how it's supposed to work. You eat. It takes 2-3 hours for insulin to clear most of the sugar out of the bloodstream. When the muscles have been supplied with sugar (as spoken about), when the liver is full of sugar (as mentioned), now the body needs fuel to operate by, so the body goes into fat-burning mode, converts fat back to sugar. This should happen after every meal, after about 3 & 1/2 hours and until you eat again, then the cycle starts again. But leptin resistance stops the process. And then leptin resistance causes insulin resistance, which results in prediabetes and if no changes are made, type 2 diabetes. Insulin resistance is when the blood is full of sugar, which "knocks" on the cell wall saying, I need to enter, but the cells do not open the door to let sugar enter, so the sugar is turned to fat. ...the whole system breaks down, and is difficult to fix. Richards says the five rules are the best means to lose fat slowly, without putting the body in starvation-mode, and gradually keep moving the set point downward. Since I've been doing the five rules, I don't gain back. That works for me. Oh....the reason for no snacking between meals is it breaks the cycle. If you eat it restarts the process, and you do not make it to fat-burning mode. Same reason for no eating after dinner/supper. Richards says sleeping is one's biggest time of fat-burning mode. If you eat after dinner/supper, it shortens fat-burning time. Once again, I don't think he has everything nailed shut (Richards)...I am sure that he has at the very least a partial answer, but only a partial answer/explanation as to how it all works. I'm re-watching one of BB's best scientific explanation for how insulin works and what it does when a person is overweight. If you watch nothing else of his videos on YT, watch this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sAqy1lnWXo&t=3sI discovered that the first one I posted was right for me at the time, but the one above I just mentioned will probably be better for you - and me as I found some distracting things in the 1st one. I'm glad that you think the way you're doing it is working for you, but I believe BB's videos can help add some pieces to the puzzle. Watched the video, I don't disagree with anything, very good. Where he talks about the baseline insulin (your floor versus your ceiling), he's basically talking about insulin resistance, he's absolutely correct. Fasting 16-24 hours every other day is not going to kick you into starvation mode, so that's not a problem. I listened to Sarah Hallberg, a TED talk, the next video after the butter guy. One of her rules is only eat when you're hungry, don't eat when you're not hungry, so this fits in with the butter guy (for me anyway, I never got hungry with intermittent fasting, except when I did the 3 & 1/2 day fast, and then only the last half of the last day). So, I will give the butter guy a try. Thanks. Going to watch some other of his videos now.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 25, 2017 15:25:08 GMT -5
Once 125, right, no biggie. But if you are consistently, after eight hours fasting (overnight) between 100 and 125, that's prediabetes. Richards says 2 meals a day is ok if that's the only way you can go 5-6 hours between meals. What's important is you need to eat enough calories so that your body does not go into starvation mode. That's very bad, as the job of leptin is to keep you at your set weight. If you eat too few calories trying to lose weight, when you increase calories, your body turns the extra calories into fat. This is the basis of yo-yo diet-gain. It's been very interesting learning about hormones and how the body deals with eating. Very good on the weight loss. ..... Richards says with the five rules you can gradually lose fat and keep lowering your set point. ....until you reach a healthy weight. You don't get intermittent fasting. You need to go see Butter Bob on yt and there will be other directly related presenters, including experts surrounding BB's vids. You need to see what it involves - intermittent fasting and/or ketosis style eating (I don't like using the worn-out word 'diet'). Knowing what I know and having experienced what I have, I can't agree with you and Richards. What our bodies do regarding food, nutrition, habits, differences in individuals, we can't really know enough. But you reach a point when you understand how it all comes together - I couldn't decide which video to recommend you watch first, both being sort of similar: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sAqy1lnWXo&list=PLkQCEsFtjG1cZae6JceyslVJ7F4uInIkX&index=2or www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDzJKaBvOGw&t=1345sThere are so many of his videos that would/could help you understand better about all this stuff. I think I've watched all of his vids. Watched the other video, it's excellent also. He discussed what I already mentioned, metabolic syndrome, inflammation, the crazy negative feedback loop, your set point. In the second video he talks specifically about insulin resistance (in the other one he didn't specifically discuss it, but that's the meaning if one has a high baseline insulin level, that's the why). Thanks. What he said doesn't disagree with anything I wrote.
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Post by silver on Sept 25, 2017 15:34:06 GMT -5
You don't get intermittent fasting. You need to go see Butter Bob on yt and there will be other directly related presenters, including experts surrounding BB's vids. You need to see what it involves - intermittent fasting and/or ketosis style eating (I don't like using the worn-out word 'diet'). Knowing what I know and having experienced what I have, I can't agree with you and Richards. What our bodies do regarding food, nutrition, habits, differences in individuals, we can't really know enough. But you reach a point when you understand how it all comes together - I couldn't decide which video to recommend you watch first, both being sort of similar: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sAqy1lnWXo&list=PLkQCEsFtjG1cZae6JceyslVJ7F4uInIkX&index=2or www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDzJKaBvOGw&t=1345sThere are so many of his videos that would/could help you understand better about all this stuff. I think I've watched all of his vids. Watched the other video, it's excellent also. He discussed what I already mentioned, metabolic syndrome, inflammation, the crazy negative feedback loop, your set point. In the second video he talks specifically about insulin resistance (in the other one he didn't specifically discuss it, but that's the meaning if one has a high baseline insulin level, that's the why). Thanks. What he said doesn't disagree with anything I wrote. I'm glad you've taken to his videos - he's very cool to listen to. I wasn't seeing the similarities partly because it's been quite a while since I'd listened to them, and you were highlighting this leptin thing - which I have heard of. What is extra cool, is that he's living proof that the fasting and emphasis on timing of when to eat. It's not easy for people who've yo-yoed and tried this and that diet to lose weight...it's an extreme struggle to even come to grips and knowing that there seems to be so much in the way of facts about how our bodies digest and operate. It's confusing to the extreme.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 25, 2017 16:14:18 GMT -5
Watched the other video, it's excellent also. He discussed what I already mentioned, metabolic syndrome, inflammation, the crazy negative feedback loop, your set point. In the second video he talks specifically about insulin resistance (in the other one he didn't specifically discuss it, but that's the meaning if one has a high baseline insulin level, that's the why). Thanks. What he said doesn't disagree with anything I wrote. I'm glad you've taken to his videos - he's very cool to listen to. I wasn't seeing the similarities partly because it's been quite a while since I'd listened to them, and you were highlighting this leptin thing - which I have heard of. What is extra cool, is that he's living proof that the fasting and emphasis on timing of when to eat. It's not easy for people who've yo-yoed and tried this and that diet to lose weight...it's an extreme struggle to even come to grips and knowing that there seems to be so much in the way of facts about how our bodies digest and operate. It's confusing to the extreme. Yea, he's good, speaks very simply. If you go to that TED talk, Sarah Hallberg, she is a professional, and basically confirms what he said. And, pity all the people who go by American Diabetes Association guidelines (which Hallberg destroys, says are absolutely crazy). You don't have to understand leptin, just do what Butter Bob says (although there are different kinds of fats, you can eat the good fats). But he is right, clearing the blood of insulin is the key. You cannot get rid of fat with high levels of insulin. One main job of insulin is to change sugar in the blood to fat (if that's the only way it can get rid of the blood-sugar).
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Post by silver on Sept 25, 2017 16:22:37 GMT -5
I'm glad you've taken to his videos - he's very cool to listen to. I wasn't seeing the similarities partly because it's been quite a while since I'd listened to them, and you were highlighting this leptin thing - which I have heard of. What is extra cool, is that he's living proof that the fasting and emphasis on timing of when to eat. It's not easy for people who've yo-yoed and tried this and that diet to lose weight...it's an extreme struggle to even come to grips and knowing that there seems to be so much in the way of facts about how our bodies digest and operate. It's confusing to the extreme. Yea, he's good, speaks very simply. If you go to that TED talk, Sarah Hallberg, she is a professional, and basically confirms what he said. And, pity all the people who go by American Diabetes Association guidelines (which Hallberg destroys, says are absolutely crazy). You don't have to understand leptin, just do what Butter Bob says (although there are different kinds of fats, you can eat the good fats). But he is right, clearing the blood of insulin is the key. You cannot get rid of fat with high levels of insulin. One main job of insulin is to change sugar in the blood to fat (if that's the only way it can get rid of the blood-sugar). Well I'm glad then, that it turns out we agree! (with the experts) I almost forgot about this thread at the Buddhist forum I frequent - a very lively discussion about LCHF etc.: newbuddhist.com/discussion/24694/low-carb-high-fat
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Post by zin on Sept 27, 2017 18:36:02 GMT -5
Here's what I've learned. Leptin was discovered in the 1990's. Fat is essentially an organ. Leptin is produced by fat (the fat "organ"). When you eat the pancreas makes insulin to clear the bloodstream of sugar. If all things are working properly, sugar goes first into muscle tissue for immediate use. When this is fulfilled sugar is then stored in the liver. When this is fulfilled then insulin has the job of storing the sugar as fat. What scientists didn't know until leptin was discovered is that leptin controls this whole process. When you have eaten enough, leptin tells the brain to tell the stomach, we're full, you're no longer hungry, quit eating. This is called balanced leptin mode. But if one is carrying too much fat, too much leptin is put into the system. This causes leptin resistance, leptin doesn't enter the brain, so the brain thinks the body needs more (stored) fat, so the brain doesn't send the message, stop eating. So one has food cravings even though they do not need more food. .............. Once again, I don't think he has everything nailed shut (Richards)...I am sure that he has at the very least a partial answer, but only a partial answer/explanation as to how it all works. I'm re-watching one of BB's best scientific explanation for how insulin works and what it does when a person is overweight. If you watch nothing else of his videos on YT, watch this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sAqy1lnWXo&t=3sI discovered that the first one I posted was right for me at the time, but the one above I just mentioned will probably be better for you - and me as I found some distracting things in the 1st one. I'm glad that you think the way you're doing it is working for you, but I believe BB's videos can help add some pieces to the puzzle. I found Jason Fung's blog interesting (mentioned at the end of above vid). He has a humorous language, too.. I've always felt that there's something cool about fasting but I also wondered why I am cold towards Ramadan fasting. I still don't know but different arrangements of fasting hours idea is good.
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