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Post by jay17 on Dec 27, 2016 12:50:05 GMT -5
Buddha was once threatened with death by a bandit called Angulimal. "Then be good enough to fulfill my dying wish," said Buddha. "Cut off the branch of that tree." One slash of the sword, and it was done! "What now?" asked the bandit. "Put it back again," said Buddha. The bandit laughed. "You must be crazy to think that anyone can do that." "On the contrary, it is you who are crazy to think that you are mighty because you can wound and destroy. That is the task of children. The mighty know how to create and heal." Angulimala garland of fingers or better necklace of fingers. Are you a Buddhist practitioner silver, I've just read through a few of your posts, not all. Do you know of karma mudra? I want you to read something, if I can cram it into this small box on my phone. I will post it on zinda poem thread in keeping with the divine feminine. Cool story, Hansel. The story of AngulimalaAnother version
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Post by bluey on Dec 27, 2016 13:48:50 GMT -5
Angulimala garland of fingers or better necklace of fingers. Are you a Buddhist practitioner silver, I've just read through a few of your posts, not all. Do you know of karma mudra? I want you to read something, if I can cram it into this small box on my phone. I will post it on zinda poem thread in keeping with the divine feminine. Cool story, Hansel. The story of AngulimalaAnother version"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." -- Friedrich Nietzsche Nice quote on one of those links
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Post by bluey on Dec 27, 2016 13:49:32 GMT -5
There is an old tradition in some Japanese zen temples that if a wandering monk can win an argument about Buddhism with one of the residents monks, he can stay the night. If not, he has to move on. There was such a temple in northern Japan run by two brothers. The elder brother was very learned and the younger brother was rather stupid, and he had only one eye. One evening a wandering monk came to ask for lodging. The elder brother was very tired as he had been studying for many hours, so he told the younger brother go and take the debate. Request that the dialogue be in silence, said the elder brother. A little later the traveler came to the elder brother and said what a wonderful fellow your brother is. He has won the debate very cleverly, so I must move on. Good night. Before you go, said the elder brother, please relate the dialogue to me. Well, said the traveler first I held up one finger to represent Buddha. Then your brother held up two to represent Buddha and his teaching. So I held up three fingers to represent Buddha, his teaching and his followers Then your clever brother shook his clenched fist in my face to indicate that all three came from one realization. With that the traveler left. A little later the younger brother came in looking very distressed. I understand you won the debate, said the older brother. Won nothing, said the younger brother, that traveler is a very rude man. Oh? Said the elder brother, tell me the subject of the debate. Why, said the younger brother, the moment he saw me, he held up one finger insulting me indicating that I have only one eye but because he was a stranger I thought I would be polite, so I held up two fingers congratulating him on having two eyes. At this the wretch held up three fingers to show that we had but three eyes between us, so I got mad and threatened to punch his nose, and so he went. The elder brother laughed.
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Post by bluey on Dec 27, 2016 15:40:13 GMT -5
This is the present kalu rinopoche accepted and ordained as the past kalu rinopoche a reincarnation of the late and well renowned and highly respected kalu rinopoche who June Campbell mentioned in her book travellers from space. Gender, Identity and Tibetan Buddhism and mentioned in the interview on zinda and poem thread. There is a video posted headed kalu rinopoche breakdancing in Vancouver richmond a place I go every year to see a school girl who is falling awake in class and not asleep as we have all done. I don't know if the video is of him so won't post it but it would be refreshing if it was just like the video words of my perfect teacher a worthwhile video to watch or post on here. Make of this what you will. I've only read today on different opinions ranging from why would he do this to its informing to see this side. It's a few years old so catch up on his videos that come after too.
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Post by bluey on Dec 27, 2016 15:55:56 GMT -5
A trailer for words of my perfect teacher. Peters used to say of gurdjieff great teacher but an animal who can't keep his room straight. On krishnamurti Lives in the shadow of krishnamurti by Radha Sloss states much of the same but in other areas. Don't just watch a satsang or read a book follow the teacher home. Papaji can impregnate a European woman and have complete control over that seeker, have a lineage that will back up and allow for his expression even if it's ignorance that is being displayed but will be sold over in the marketplace as a quiet mind without self interest because he uses words like I am That.
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Post by silver on Dec 28, 2016 1:51:45 GMT -5
Angulimala garland of fingers or better necklace of fingers. Are you a Buddhist practitioner silver, I've just read through a few of your posts, not all. Do you know of karma mudra? I want you to read something, if I can cram it into this small box on my phone. I will post it on zinda poem thread in keeping with the divine feminine. Cool story, Hansel. The story of AngulimalaAnother versionI really like that first link version. Thx for sharing it.
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Post by bluey on Dec 28, 2016 15:17:28 GMT -5
Silver I feel you can cut the journey right down and not go the long route of the rinopoches, lamas, non duality seekers or the typical seeker. There's more to you...you have real heart. Reply to the zinda poem thread. I posted the June Campbell post for you. So you dismantle what is false for what is true. I know you long for what is real over what isn't. You would make a great teacher as you would deny the role of being one. I posted the present kalu rinopoche to dismantle the myth the pretence that most fall into. The true tantras are for very passionate people why the rinopoches can't understand them as they are caught in a tradition but the everyday man and woman can access the real tantras as tantra brings the real to the unreal. Why I was on the market like sarahas arrowsmith teacher as she was of the market too. Saraha was not far off the line of the Buddha Sri Kirti was his teacher and the nameless teacher was the one who stripped him down of his methods and lineage. In tantra you have to have a level of emptiness an understanding first, then it's the quick path to ones true nature. Tantra is the ultimate path as the celibate path of non duality brings little in to the existential dream where most live. Ramana is a great sage but he is lopsided. As most crave union between male and female in existence.
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Post by sanghadassa on Dec 31, 2016 5:43:54 GMT -5
Could we be one, many and, a bunch of 'nobodies' (not-self) - simultaneously? I don't believe this would be an insight that could be conceived - only seen through direct knowledge and vision! It would be a transpersonal insight and, by implication, trans-rational! The universe is one expanding event that we are an expression of! We are 'seemingly' separate from the worlds we inhabit - but human-induced climate change may lead us to a different conclusion? Confusion arises through the failure to see the difference between these three areas of inquiry: Truth - liberating insight! Actuality - empirically determined! Reality - relative to the individual! "The central truths of Buddhism, pertaining to its theory of reality and ethics are asserted in the the form of "The Four Noble Truths" (cattari ariyasaccani). Nirvana is claimed to be "The Truth" (sacca) being the supreme truth (parama sacca)." - Jayatilleke The question is: when we reflect on our ontological status as 'being one or many' are we asking about the 'truth' of the matter or are we talking about something that does not pertain to truth at all? Truth is not negotiable - it is that which liberates! If we are talking about 'ways of looking' - perspectives on nature that can be seen from other perspectives that are equally valid - it means we are not speaking the truth! We may be taking a perspective designed to produce a particular outcome - skilful or unskilful? Truth can be pointed to but it always remains unsaid - 'inconceivable' (achintya). It is not a unit of information - a body of teachings from any tradition! 'Empirical inquiry' (science) does not provide us with the truth - either! It provides us with evidence that supports or negates what is already known - within the scientific community! It builds on previous findings and occasionally undergoes a paradigm shift. It is the living Dharma that sets us free - where all paradigms cease - freedom from the known! "Here, Ananda, the Bhikkhu considers it all like this: This is the supreme peace, this is sublime calm: The stilling of all formations, the silencing of all mental construction, the relinquishing of all substrata fuelling existence, the fading away of all craving, detachment, release, ceasing, Nibbāna... In this way, Ananda, the Bhikkhu may enter a mental absorption in which there is no notion of 'I' and 'mine', no attacks of conceiving any internal consciousness or any external objects and wherein he is both mentally released and fully liberated trough understanding this all... In this silenced and wholly stilled state there is no inclination to "I" and "mine-making", and no more attacks of conceit by latent tendencies to identification, egotism, and narcissism!"- Anguttara Nikāya 3:32 A good read. Welcome aboard. I suspect you will attract many, who may have some kind of link to Buddhism. Just what is a Bhikkhu? Some folk here on this site use words in strange ways, me included, but the B word I am unfamiliar with. Here, some of the posters are helping me with my english, some without asking and that is good. Words like (thingie) have me puzzeled. So far I am at a loss to discover if I am speaking with their Intelligence. Is there a Buddhist word for Intelligence? Dear Alfio, sorry for the delay in connecting my dear. Somewhat confused, I forgot my password. A bhikku is a mendicant follower of the Buddha. They are spiritual beggars who live on the charity and kindness of others. 'Buddhi' is the sanskrit term for intelligence. Looking forward to connecting with you. Love, sanghadassa
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 6:23:42 GMT -5
Silver I feel you can cut the journey right down and not go the long route of the rinopoches, lamas, non duality seekers or the typical seeker. There's more to you...you have real heart. Reply to the zinda poem thread. I posted the June Campbell post for you. So you dismantle what is false for what is true. I know you long for what is real over what isn't. You would make a great teacher as you would deny the role of being one. I posted the present kalu rinopoche to dismantle the myth the pretence that most fall into. The true tantras are for very passionate people why the rinopoches can't understand them as they are caught in a tradition but the everyday man and woman can access the real tantras as tantra brings the real to the unreal. Why I was on the market like sarahas arrowsmith teacher as she was of the market too. Saraha was not far off the line of the Buddha Sri Kirti was his teacher and the nameless teacher was the one who stripped him down of his methods and lineage. In tantra you have to have a level of emptiness an understanding first, then it's the quick path to ones true nature. Tantra is the ultimate path as the celibate path of non duality brings little in to the existential dream where most live. Ramana is a great sage but he is lopsided. As most crave union between male and female in existence. What do you mean by Ramana is lopsided.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 7:31:03 GMT -5
A good read. Welcome aboard. I suspect you will attract many, who may have some kind of link to Buddhism. Just what is a Bhikkhu? Some folk here on this site use words in strange ways, me included, but the B word I am unfamiliar with. Here, some of the posters are helping me with my english, some without asking and that is good. Words like (thingie) have me puzzeled. So far I am at a loss to discover if I am speaking with their Intelligence. Is there a Buddhist word for Intelligence? Dear Alfio, sorry for the delay in connecting my dear. Somewhat confused, I forgot my password. A bhikku is a mendicant follower of the Buddha. They are spiritual beggars who live on the charity and kindness of others. 'Buddhi' is the sanskrit term for intelligence. Looking forward to connecting with you. Love, sanghadassa I see that confusion by the posts you made, finding your way back. (you can delete those earlier tries, there is a delete button somewhere) OK, thank you for teaching me words. You are kind. Now I know Buddhi, I feel I am getting somewhere in Buddhism lingo. Although I have been in various camps of Religion, I have tried to keep my words simple for simple ppl. Its been a challenge with regards insights and flashes of the bright but it seems to work for me amoungst the locals I meet. I am slowly becoming known here, a few ppl are beginning to trust me. Do come back sooner next time.
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Post by bluey on Dec 31, 2016 9:43:54 GMT -5
Silver I feel you can cut the journey right down and not go the long route of the rinopoches, lamas, non duality seekers or the typical seeker. There's more to you...you have real heart. Reply to the zinda poem thread. I posted the June Campbell post for you. So you dismantle what is false for what is true. I know you long for what is real over what isn't. You would make a great teacher as you would deny the role of being one. I posted the present kalu rinopoche to dismantle the myth the pretence that most fall into. The true tantras are for very passionate people why the rinopoches can't understand them as they are caught in a tradition but the everyday man and woman can access the real tantras as tantra brings the real to the unreal. Why I was on the market like sarahas arrowsmith teacher as she was of the market too. Saraha was not far off the line of the Buddha Sri Kirti was his teacher and the nameless teacher was the one who stripped him down of his methods and lineage. In tantra you have to have a level of emptiness an understanding first, then it's the quick path to ones true nature. Tantra is the ultimate path as the celibate path of non duality brings little in to the existential dream where most live. Ramana is a great sage but he is lopsided. As most crave union between male and female in existence. What do you mean by Ramana is lopsided. He is not lopsided in his realisation. Every master realises nothing as the highest truth and then he presents that nothing to people who still believe in something or are still attached to that something. Where it is lopsided is how that nothing is presented over in the time and environment amongst your fellow man. See I come from the west and you can argue it is all pretty much west now. This is my point, most people would find it difficult to live as Ramana did, the same can be said of Buddhas teachings or any teacher of the past and where any part of celibacy is lived through the teacher in a comfortable park setting or just living alone next to a mountain side. You can argue, well I can see Ramana living and walking his truth as just being celibate in the west as that is a life choice as that is now presented for both men and women alike but it’s not the movement and living experience most go through, even for those who have realised that nothing and then something arises, throws them off balance from the supposed permanent state of the realised nothingness in the context of the peaceful setting they were surrounded or cocooned in. so then you would to have to measure if this realisation is what it is too so it becomes the one movement. I can sit in the park all day and its great, at work not so great but the movement has allowed for the integrating of this in to both areas as a living experiential realisation that most people live through in this time and not just the realisation of that out of existence . I can share over this as it has been my living experience with others. So I can say there is no sex in Self instead of saying it in the setting of a peaceful satsang where the seeker will leave thinking he’s lived that and I need to live up to that when I go back to the rush of western life. When the truth is he hasn’t lived that as an experience. And why I can’t accept many monks don’t long for the union of being with a woman why the masquerade and for some to hide in secrecy of presenting a teaching as needing celibacy and then not living that truth as an experience and being involved in scandals when a woman is presented over as you come back down from the mountain. Why I would not be surprised if the account of June Campbell and late Kalu Rinopoche were true. And for many other sages too. I had a cousin who came over from a farm setting and coming to England he was overwhelmed how fast life was. He couldn’t wait to get back. How do you live like this, he asked. At least he had the experience and what came up for him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 10:02:44 GMT -5
What do you mean by Ramana is lopsided. He is not lopsided in his realisation. Every master realises nothing as the highest truth and then he presents that nothing to people who still believe in something or are still attached to that something. Where it is lopsided is how that nothing is presented over in the time and environment amongst your fellow man. See I come from the west and you can argue it is all pretty much west now. This is my point, most people would find it difficult to live as Ramana did, the same can be said of Buddhas teachings or any teacher of the past and where any part of celibacy is lived through the teacher in a comfortable park setting or just living alone next to a mountain side. You can argue, well I can see Ramana living and walking his truth as just being celibate in the west as that is a life choice as that is now presented for both men and women alike but it’s not the movement and living experience most go through, even for those who have realised that nothing and then something arises, throws them off balance from the supposed permanent state of the realised nothingness in the context of the peaceful setting they were surrounded or cocooned in. so then you would to have to measure if this realisation is what it is too so it becomes the one movement. I can sit in the park all day and its great, at work not so great but the movement has allowed for the integrating of this in to both areas as a living experiential realisation that most people live through in this time and not just the realisation of that out of existence . I can share over this as it has been my living experience with others. So I can say there is no sex in Self instead of saying it in the setting of a peaceful satsang where the seeker will leave thinking he’s lived that and I need to live up to that when I go back to the rush of western life. When the truth is he hasn’t lived that as an experience. And why I can’t accept many monks don’t long for the union of being with a woman why the masquerade and for some to hide in secrecy of presenting a teaching as needing celibacy and then not living that truth as an experience and being involved in scandals when a woman is presented over as you come back down from the mountain. Why I would not be surprised if the account of June Campbell and late Kalu Rinopoche were true. And for many other sages too. I had a cousin who came over from a farm setting and coming to England he was overwhelmed how fast life was. He couldn’t wait to get back. How do you live like this, he asked. At least he had the experience and what came up for him. Oh I see. What I would say is that Ramana lived that way because that was the expression of his jiva. But Sri Atmananda was a police chief, Ramesh Baksekar was the President of the Bank of India, Papaji had an engineering company, the list goes on.
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Post by zendancer on Dec 31, 2016 11:11:46 GMT -5
He is not lopsided in his realisation. Every master realises nothing as the highest truth and then he presents that nothing to people who still believe in something or are still attached to that something. Where it is lopsided is how that nothing is presented over in the time and environment amongst your fellow man. See I come from the west and you can argue it is all pretty much west now. This is my point, most people would find it difficult to live as Ramana did, the same can be said of Buddhas teachings or any teacher of the past and where any part of celibacy is lived through the teacher in a comfortable park setting or just living alone next to a mountain side. You can argue, well I can see Ramana living and walking his truth as just being celibate in the west as that is a life choice as that is now presented for both men and women alike but it’s not the movement and living experience most go through, even for those who have realised that nothing and then something arises, throws them off balance from the supposed permanent state of the realised nothingness in the context of the peaceful setting they were surrounded or cocooned in. so then you would to have to measure if this realisation is what it is too so it becomes the one movement. I can sit in the park all day and its great, at work not so great but the movement has allowed for the integrating of this in to both areas as a living experiential realisation that most people live through in this time and not just the realisation of that out of existence . I can share over this as it has been my living experience with others. So I can say there is no sex in Self instead of saying it in the setting of a peaceful satsang where the seeker will leave thinking he’s lived that and I need to live up to that when I go back to the rush of western life. When the truth is he hasn’t lived that as an experience. And why I can’t accept many monks don’t long for the union of being with a woman why the masquerade and for some to hide in secrecy of presenting a teaching as needing celibacy and then not living that truth as an experience and being involved in scandals when a woman is presented over as you come back down from the mountain. Why I would not be surprised if the account of June Campbell and late Kalu Rinopoche were true. And for many other sages too. I had a cousin who came over from a farm setting and coming to England he was overwhelmed how fast life was. He couldn’t wait to get back. How do you live like this, he asked. At least he had the experience and what came up for him. Oh I see. What I would say is that Ramana lived that way because that was the expression of his jiva. But Sri Atmananda was a police chief, Ramesh Baksekar was the President of the Bank of India, Papaji had an engineering company, the list goes on. Yes, I like the fact that in the West, particularly, we now have many sages who don't live a monastic lifestyle and aren't associated with any particular religious tradition. If realization can't be carried into the workplace and infuse everyday life with equanimity and understanding, then it isn't worth much. Someone once said to Gangaji, "I feel so peaceful when I'm here on retreat with you, but when I go back to work, I lose my peacefulness." Gangaji replied, "Then you must find out what you're doing differently here than when you're back at work." haha There's so much nonsense associated with supposedly "spiritual" teachings. ZM Seung Sahn had an affair with one of his married female students, yet he encouraged monks to take a vow of celibacy. It would have been interesting if someone had asked him to reconcile his real-world affair with his words/ideas about celibacy. Same same with Kalu Rinpoche and dozens of other well-known teachers who did the same sort of thing. All of those examples point to something worth discovering. What could it be?
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Post by silver on Jan 11, 2017 1:57:25 GMT -5
From another forum, a thread entitled "Who is it who suffers?" - starts out asking:
"Is it right to say that the one who suffers is the mentally and emotionally constructed "I"? And if the "I" dissolves then there is no one left to suffer?
Also, is it safe to laugh at anyone who is angry with me, knowing it is only their inflamed sense of self that believes it is angry?"
So far, it's a one-pager and the next to the last post said something helpful in understanding this stuff to me, anyway:
"Understanding emptiness teachings isn't about undermining or denying the world, rather its more about undermining our view of the world. Our innate perception (misperception) of the world and ourselves is that there are solid, independent things. It's like an optical illusion, we can understand intellectually that the illusion is there but we still see the false picture. This misperception is said to be the root of our suffering, so by uprooting it we uproot all our mental afflictions in one fell swoop and without uprooting it our afflictions have a place to grow back from.
Often left out of explanations is what is called the object of negation. Like above the object being negated isn't the world, it's our perception of the world."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 2:27:18 GMT -5
From another forum, a thread entitled "Who is it who suffers?" - starts out asking: "Is it right to say that the one who suffers is the mentally and emotionally constructed "I"? And if the "I" dissolves then there is no one left to suffer? YesAlso, is it safe to laugh at anyone who is angry with me, knowing it is only their inflamed sense of self that believes it is angry?" Yes YesSo far, it's a one-pager and the next to the last post said something helpful in understanding this stuff to me, anyway: "Understanding emptiness teachings isn't about undermining or denying the world, rather its more about undermining our view of the world. Our innate perception (misperception) of the world and ourselves is that there are solid, independent things. It's like an optical illusion, we can understand intellectually that the illusion is there but we still see the false picture. This misperception is said to be the root of our suffering, so by uprooting it we uproot all our mental afflictions in one fell swoop and without uprooting it our afflictions have a place to grow back from. AgreedOften left out of explanations is what is called the object of negation. Like above the object being negated isn't the world, it's our perception of the world." AgreedAnswered in bold
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