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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 4:22:20 GMT -5
the first rule of fightclub...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 6:00:09 GMT -5
stop. don't do it. don't even think about it.
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Post by laughter on Aug 16, 2015 15:41:56 GMT -5
I know, it's a wild and whacky theory and written by a troll He somehow confusalated himself into imagining that I was a part of this particular goat dream.
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Post by jay17 on Aug 18, 2015 13:45:35 GMT -5
Why do you judge me a troll? ...and where's the usual smiley face? You have said i have bastardized your intention of your OP, i simply wish to understand what all that means. And how cool is this, while i was just emailing Jason from New Dawn, i was reminiscing about the members here who communicate disrespectfully, who constantly use verbal abuse as a means to prove their beliefs right and any alternatives wrong. And how anyone who makes disparaging claims about my character, when confronted in my usual inquiring way, they have all avoided responding to the actual questions...and this intrigues me as i observe a familiar pattern of avoidance to prove their claims about me are true...and i hit upon a possible reason why. When i confront the person who seeks to denigrate me, i enquire as to their reasoning behind their claims. This seems quite a rational action on my part, you and your like say things about me and i am interested in understanding why you people do this. But time and time again i do not get any explanation, no detailed info to help me understand your reasoning behind your derogative statements. And then i reasoned, ahh, it's because this requires you and your like to self examine, to see for yourself why you and your like constantly insult others. This involves a level of self examination that you lot are not comfortable with. You are quite comfortable with examining me and others and offering your disparaging conclusions about us, but you will not utilize those same abilities to self examine. And that's one possible reason why a question is met with another insult, as you have done once again here. It's a self protection mechanism to avoid self examination. The insult is an expression of dislike of me for sticking my nose in areas you lot just don't want to go. You people like to express all manner of things about others, but are very guarded about your own psyches. Which is quite ironic because satchitananda claims he uses denigration to slap people down from their, i assume, unspiritual egotistical self created pedestals where they think they are above others, yet this simply means to me that it's satchitananda who thinks he is above others, and when confronted, when the spotlight is shone on him, he does not like how that exposure makes him feel so he retaliates with denigration, and ends the conversation on it. One of my fav movie quotes from one of my all time fav movies... Hannibal Lecter: You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition's given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starling? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed: pure West Virginia. What is your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp? You know how quickly the boys found you... all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars... while you could only dream of getting out... getting anywhere... getting all the way to the F.B.I. Clarice Starling: You see a lot, Doctor. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to. Upon further exploration, i see a few elements of why the members here who uses denigration never give a detailed explanation of why they insult others, how they reached their conclusion\judgement\perception. In order to explain why they think i am a troll, they have to share their reason why. Reason being... (Noun) 1. The basis or motive for an action, decision, or conviction. 2. A declaration made to explain or justify action, decision, or conviction. 3. A fact or cause that explains why something exists or has occurred. 4. The capacity for logical, rational, and analytic thought; intelligence. (Verb) 1. To determine or conclude by logical thinking. 2. To persuade or dissuade (someone) with reasons. 3. To use the faculty of reason; think logically. 4. To talk or argue logically and persuasively. It is pretty well understood\accepted that the motive for issuing an insult is not from calm rationality, or at least one's rationality is influenced by one's emotional upheaval. Thus depending on how emotionally disturbed the insulter is, they either have no rational basis for calling me a troll, or, as i mentioned previously, they do not desire to look within to understand why they are upset that resulted in calling me a troll. And within the spiritual community, those that think they have achieved full Enlightenment, or perceive they are highly enlightened, will avoid and\or deny anything that points to\suggests they are not as enlightened at they think and\or publicly proclaim. It seems to me to be a simple case of the 'flight or fight' mechanism being unconsciously\subconsciously\uncontrollably triggered\activated within themselves. They do not like what i or others have said, they are emotionally disturbed by it, offended, feel threatened, insecure, fearful...who knows exactly?...and the response to how they feel is to attack the person they blame for making them feel that way...the result being an insult, of which, to this day, not one of them has provided indepth\precise details of their reasoning behind their insults. They have a strong desire to argue to be proven right and the other wrong, and when they perceive they aren't winning or that the other is not accepting their ideas as valid or true, when they begin to feel upset in conversation, they lash out with an insult. They have the capacity to issue many an insult, but are unable or unwilling to give reason why...and when asked, they respond with more insult, or are dismissive...because they have reached their final destination, that i am a troll(or whatever disparaging term they assign to me and others) and they have no desire to venture any further. They are satisfied of their low opinion of me and others and their high opinion of themselves and\or ideas...so why disturb that wonderful world. ..in other words, people who insult have no rational reason why they have behaved so, they're just irrationally upset emotionally. ...and that's why when asked for their reasons, they do not or can not provide one. ..and that's why some of them become even more abusive, for they do not like the realization of how badly they are behaving when the light is shone upon them via focused observation. ...that's why they spend a lot of time criticizing others, to keep the light off themselves.
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Post by jay17 on Aug 18, 2015 19:09:43 GMT -5
"When someone tells you, ‘I love you,’ and then you feel, 'Oh, I must be worthy after all,’ that’s an illusion. That’s not true. Or someone says, 'I hate you,’ and you think, 'Oh, God, I knew it; I’m not very worthy,’ that’s not true either. Neither one of these thoughts hold any intrinsic reality. They are an overlay. When someone says, 'I love you,’ he is telling you about himself, not you. When someone says, 'I hate you,’ she is telling you about herself, not you. World views are self views...literally." - Adyashanti
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 4:41:54 GMT -5
listen...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 5:12:33 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Aug 19, 2015 18:48:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 4:01:06 GMT -5
We have beliefs , based on what our senses tell us . Does a bot have senses?
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Post by maxdprophet on Jun 13, 2019 10:51:57 GMT -5
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Post by zendancer on Jun 13, 2019 15:55:06 GMT -5
The only understanding that's worth acquiring is whatever level of understanding will result in peace of mind, and this usually includes the understanding of what cannot be understood. Osho claimed that someone once asked Socrates, "Do you understand Reality?" Socrates replied, "No, but I understand this not-understanding."
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Post by laughter on Jun 13, 2019 22:02:38 GMT -5
On one hand this is rather reedonculous and reminds me of that diagram of Niz-terms that you put up years ago, but on the other hand .. it's also quite .. fascinating.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 6:56:50 GMT -5
On one hand this is rather reedonculous and reminds me of that diagram of Niz-terms that you put up years ago, but on the other hand .. it's also quite .. fascinating. The sheer beauty of rationality run amok.
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Post by laughter on Jun 14, 2019 22:46:18 GMT -5
On one hand this is rather reedonculous and reminds me of that diagram of Niz-terms that you put up years ago, but on the other hand .. it's also quite .. fascinating. The sheer beauty of rationality run amok. "Bias" is, of course, relative, so, the question is, what is it relative to? The diagram contains the term "naive realism", which gives a hint at just how good intellect can be at self-deception: the sophisticated realist adopts an intellectually unassailable position rooted in the existential error of duality (an objective norm that the cognitive bias is relative to). Who needs "God" or "enlightenment" when you have "the reality" of "the Universe"?
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Post by maxdprophet on Jun 19, 2019 10:06:00 GMT -5
On one hand this is rather reedonculous and reminds me of that diagram of Niz-terms that you put up years ago, but on the other hand .. it's also quite .. fascinating. It's the useful in the same way memorizing English helping verbs isamarewaswerebebeingbeenhashavehaddodoesdidshallwillshouldcould.
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