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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2014 19:53:02 GMT -5
You are stating the opposite of what happened in the conversation. Go back and look, you left several direct questions completely unanswered and dodged others, all while I was being completely open to you, which resulted in some confusion on your part. Of course I allow myself to receive love and kindness from other human beings. Do you see how even asking this question establishes a certain toxic framework in the conversation? Do you see how it is an attempt on your part to characterize me as somehow anti-love? You're repeating questions here that I've already answered for you elsewhere -- no, I don't imagine myself to be living a concept. You said that identification with a disrespectful or insulting image is a misidentification. You haven't yet clarified whether identification with an image when someone tells you that you are handsome, kind, or that they love you, is also a misidentification. In fact you have been evasive. If you see identification with an image as 'misidentification' by definition, I can't see how you can allow yourself to receive a compliment, or love offered in the form of an image. I understand that I haven't answered the question you asked directly, but I asked first, and you basically answered my question, with a question. I am interested in your answers. You also weren't clear if you were just swapping words when you answered the other question I asked you. Seriously, straight up man, what is your subjective as you wrote this?
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2014 19:54:37 GMT -5
You said that identification with a disrespectful or insulting image is a misidentification. You haven't yet clarified whether identification with an image when someone tells you that you are handsome, kind, or that they love you, is also a misidentification. In fact you have been evasive. If you see identification with an image as 'misidentification' by definition, I can't see how you can allow yourself to receive a compliment, or love offered in the form of an image. I understand that I haven't answered the question you asked directly, but I asked first, and you basically answered my question, with a question. I am interested in your answers. You also weren't clear if you were just swapping words when you answered the other question I asked you. Seriously, straight up man, what is your subjective as you wrote this? Seriously, straight up man, I don't understand the question.
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2014 19:55:48 GMT -5
Seriously, straight up man, what is your subjective as you wrote this? Seriously, straight up man, I don't understand the question. Were you feeling any negative emotion when you wrote it?
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Post by enigma on Jan 23, 2014 19:56:18 GMT -5
Again, there's something to the general idea that folks don't feel safe enough to make themselves vulnerable, though I don't even know if that's possible while still having a discussion that's straightforward enough to be useful to anyone. I spose that's true. Not saying there isn't value in the way things are. (ooh - I came up with a double negative!) Well, I don't think that's not unreasonable.
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2014 19:56:47 GMT -5
Seriously, straight up man, I don't understand the question. Were you feeling any negative emotion when you wrote it? What, when I wrote that last message? No, not at all.
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2014 19:57:13 GMT -5
Seriously, straight up man, what is your subjective as you wrote this? Seriously, straight up man, I don't understand the question. ... and, did you notice that you literally mocked what I wrote? Do you see the difference in what I wrote there and if I'd said "did you notice that you literally mocked me"?
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2014 19:59:42 GMT -5
Were you feeling any negative emotion when you wrote it? What, when I wrote that last message? No, not at all. Well I can't tell if, superficially speaking, whether or not you're being honest with yourself, but I don't believe you. Is it difficult for you to admit to feeling negative emotion?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 20:00:10 GMT -5
Quite frankly, it's getting hard to keep up, what with you moving posts around from thread to thread as you please. It's all making for a not so pleasant, confusing user experience imo. When you add into that the obvious bias you bring to your moderated movements of posts, this forum is at present, a mess. It's pretty easy to keep from getting a post moved. Just don't source personal bickering. I did not see my post as a source of personal bickering, nor did E, the person whom the post was directed to. You did, obviously. So, not getting posts moved, apparently involves pandering to a moderator who is biased. Not so easy.
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2014 20:02:57 GMT -5
Seriously, straight up man, I don't understand the question. ... and, did you notice that you literally mocked what I wrote? Do you see the difference in what I wrote there and if I'd said "did you notice that you literally mocked me"? The movement in that moment was to mirror your energy, the intention wasn't to outright mock.
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2014 20:03:07 GMT -5
It's pretty easy to keep from getting a post moved. Just don't source personal bickering. I did not see my post as a source of personal bickering, nor did E, the person whom the post was directed to. You did, obviously. So, not getting posts moved, apparently involves pandering to a moderator who is biased. Not so easy. So, as you wrote that, how did you feel? Were you experiencing any negative emotion?
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Post by enigma on Jan 23, 2014 20:03:12 GMT -5
I'm asking because I don't know WIBIGO and I'm trying to understand WIBIGO. I'm definitely feeling the hate tonight. Where is Reef's hate shield? No hate here. Maybe our definitions of 'what in blazes is going on' simply differs? Wouldn't be the first time. As I said, to me, WIBIGO is just what is happening: 1. At the moment (clackety-clack, listening to an Enya song), 2. At the present time (me writing a post in response to a post of yours), or 3. Within a recent time period (Reefs accusing Quinn of mocking, Quinn responding as she did). What's your definition? (A sincere question--I'm not going anywhere with this). Sure, that's what's going on. There aren't any opinions or conclusions involved in that. What you said before was full of opinions and conclusions, and yet you still declared it WIBIGO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 20:03:29 GMT -5
You said that identification with a disrespectful or insulting image is a misidentification. You haven't yet clarified whether identification with an image when someone tells you that you are handsome, kind, or that they love you, is also a misidentification. In fact you have been evasive. If you see identification with an image as 'misidentification' by definition, I can't see how you can allow yourself to receive a compliment, or love offered in the form of an image. I understand that I haven't answered the question you asked directly, but I asked first, and you basically answered my question, with a question. I am interested in your answers. You also weren't clear if you were just swapping words when you answered the other question I asked you. Seriously, straight up man, what is your subjective as you wrote this? Why do you keep avoiding a direct answer to Andrew's question? I've been reading along, and I too, am interested in your answer.
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2014 20:03:51 GMT -5
What, when I wrote that last message? No, not at all. Well I can't tell if, superficially speaking, whether or not you're being honest with yourself, but I don't believe you. Is it difficult for you to admit to feeling negative emotion? No. Maybe its your anger or whatever you are feeling.
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2014 20:06:01 GMT -5
... and, did you notice that you literally mocked what I wrote? Do you see the difference in what I wrote there and if I'd said "did you notice that you literally mocked me"? The movement in that moment was to mirror your energy, the intention wasn't to outright mock. And yet, think back to all that you've said that mocking indicates on the part of the mocker. Have I mocked you in this conversation? Have I made you the butt of any joke? I will admit to having slipped up into old habits exactly once in the other thread, but here, you have literally become what you have relentlessly complained about to me over these past months, and that despite the fact that I've used no images or humor or disparagement in addressing you. So, who is the source of the mockery after all?
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2014 20:06:52 GMT -5
Seriously, straight up man, what is your subjective as you wrote this? Why do you keep avoiding a direct answer to Andrew's question? I've been reading along, and I too, am interested in your answer. So you avoid my question by claiming avoidance on my part. Is it difficult for you to admit feeling negative emotions?
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