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Post by enigma on Jan 18, 2014 13:12:00 GMT -5
Greetings.. thank you, that helps a lot would you care to comment on the post earlier today where i quote a page ?it was a quick reply post, you may have missed it. (I´ll be gone soon, until monday or tuesday--i depend on public internet/state computer) have a nice Simple phenomena spun into mystical language.. strip away the embellishments, 'get' the message, apply the message, and.. if the message works, your awareness is increased/expanded, then.. move on with living Life, rather than remaining attached to the message or the messenger.. How does the guru's message improve your experience of living your existence? if the guru is genuine, they send you on 'your own way' to your own self-discovery.. the problem is the variety of teachers/gurus wanting their special brand of mystical knowledge to be 'the' answer for everyone, or.. conversely, the student wants their teacher's special brand of mystical knowledge to be 'the' answer for everyone, but.. it is rare that the someone lets go of attachment and identification with 'their' special brand of mystical knowledge and genuinely seeks to find a way to 'give it away', without authorship, ownership, or qualification.. an analogy is like giving people very special mystical fish, without teaching the people to fish, because if the people could fish, they would find out that there's nothing special or mystical about the fish, and no special mystical hierarchy would distinguish the teacher from the everybody else eating fish, too.. Be well.. Mystical fish!
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Post by laughter on Jan 18, 2014 16:34:57 GMT -5
Greetings.. thank you, that helps a lot would you care to comment on the post earlier today where i quote a page ?it was a quick reply post, you may have missed it. (I´ll be gone soon, until monday or tuesday--i depend on public internet/state computer) have a nice Simple phenomena spun into mystical language.. strip away the embellishments, 'get' the message, apply the message, and.. if the message works, your awareness is increased/expanded, then.. move on with living Life, rather than remaining attached to the message or the messenger.. How does the guru's message improve your experience of living your existence? if the guru is genuine, they send you on 'your own way' to your own self-discovery.. the problem is the variety of teachers/gurus wanting their special brand of mystical knowledge to be 'the' answer for everyone, or.. conversely, the student wants their teacher's special brand of mystical knowledge to be 'the' answer for everyone, but.. it is rare that the someone lets go of attachment and identification with 'their' special brand of mystical knowledge and genuinely seeks to find a way to 'give it away', without authorship, ownership, or qualification.. an analogy is like giving people very special mystical fish, without teaching the people to fish, because if the people could fish, they would find out that there's nothing special or mystical about the fish, and no special mystical hierarchy would distinguish the teacher from the everybody else eating fish, too.. Be well.. At the root of the word mystical is of course, the word mystery. For the student there is, by definition a mystery, as the student, especially a sincere one, is of the intention to learn, and any teacher that sees no mystery any longer is not qualified to teach. One strategy for assuring that a student does not become personally attached to the teacher, or, the "guru", is for the teacher to eschew any and all personal interaction. Perhaps this could be termed the "way of the broken clock", because it would work twice a day regardless of whether the teacher was actually one that the student would potentially become attached to due to the profound depth and effect on the student of the teaching.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 6:12:09 GMT -5
Greetings.. thank you, that helps a lot would you care to comment on the post earlier today where i quote a page ?it was a quick reply post, you may have missed it. (I´ll be gone soon, until monday or tuesday--i depend on public internet/state computer) have a nice Simple phenomena spun into mystical language.. strip away the embellishments, 'get' the message, apply the message, and.. if the message works, your awareness is increased/expanded, then.. move on with living Life, rather than remaining attached to the message or the messenger.. How does the guru's message improve your experience of living your existence? if the guru is genuine, they send you on 'your own way' to your own self-discovery.. the problem is the variety of teachers/gurus wanting their special brand of mystical knowledge to be 'the' answer for everyone, or.. conversely, the student wants their teacher's special brand of mystical knowledge to be 'the' answer for everyone, but.. it is rare that the someone lets go of attachment and identification with 'their' special brand of mystical knowledge and genuinely seeks to find a way to 'give it away', without authorship, ownership, or qualification.. an analogy is like giving people very special mystical fish, without teaching the people to fish, because if the people could fish, they would find out that there's nothing special or mystical about the fish, and no special mystical hierarchy would distinguish the teacher from the everybody else eating fish, too.. Be well.. ´´How does the guru's message improve your experience of living your existence? if the guru is genuine, they send you on 'your own way' to your own self-discovery.. the problem is the variety of teachers/gurus wanting their special brand of mystical knowledge to be 'the' answer for everyone, or.. conversely, ...´´
for me, personally, the guru represents an experience... and maybe a whole range of experiences if you have the stamina to stick with it, which most dont... I met a student of The Mother (a very advanced one, western man), he cured me of a deadly illness in 20 seconds after a conversation of about 5 minutes.I had also gone through some kind of test, though i was unaware of the fact that it was a test...it was not easy i assure you )
(my illness..sheer hell i assure you--i was very lucky--70 pct commit suicide--statistics---i had an amalgam of very nasty voices in my head, and an incredible range of totally erratic feelings and was exhausted..ready to jump off a building--30+ years ago)he ´´reset´´ me, i dont know how to say it otherwise..and he sent me on my way,and without any words..guided me out of this HELL...mainly by fortifying the WITNESS, which is the same presence in everyone...
he also gave me two or three sentences of advice,stuff no psychiatrist would ever have dared to tell me, (i had dealings with these absolute morons-psychiatrists..grrrr... , and gradually i got back structure in my life.
Much later i found out what was ´´wrong´´ with me, maybe i go into that some other time..this man showed me things...a wound healing INSTANTLY (a deep cut in my hand), an object disappearing into thin air(not for ´´show´´it was necessary)(he wasnt physically present)..so yea i was mightily impressed .because my life IMPROVED RADICALLY...he never asked a penny, but he did say :´´this is not my job´´, (healing people)
he never expected me to follow his ´´way´´, a HUGE heart where i was always welcome, i made too little use of it i suppose...he left the body in 2007 and i´d forgotten him completely until a few months a go..I DO LIVE MY LIFE BRO,
i learned the difference between hallucination and genuine experience, among many other things...
i just see a lot of prejudice from your reactions TZU, if you´d go inside and be aware of the Presence that is , you might learn someting, or actually read some of the stuff / LINKS i posted here earlier on the forum, because some of the stuff you are saying to me, i was going to say to you.. .)
this is a quote about the ashram..quite unconventional...the only thing there was, A MASSIVE LIGHT, LOVE, PURE, and just as a sensitive can enter your experience, i can enter theirs(could..it is clouded now ...well meant flak from forummers and..but it will return..)
i dont want to sound ungrateful but i have met a few like you, and though i like what you are saying,(though often too abstract for me) it is the Experience that makes one grow.
i also like what ISHTAHOTA is saying, and some things of Enigma, or Andrew..BOB...Figless...and i experience what they say..you were the first here, by chance or what?..that i got in contact with, just as i was about to leave the forum, a year? ago or so remember?--so i stuck around..there is maybe some thing to learn, maybe to get, or maybe to GIVE, here..)
quote about the ashram (i visited once but never lived there..´´the ashram is everywhere´´)
´´´´Any Westerner journeying there with the idea of finding peace or learning "yoga" was certainly disappointed. First of all, no one would try to teach him anything (rather, "unlearning" was what was required); there were no classes and no "teaching," except for Sri Aurobindo's written works and the Mother's Questions and Answers, which were at everyone's disposal (as well as all other teachings, in fact, both traditional and nontraditional).
There were no rules, either. A disciple had to discover everything for himself, within himself, in the midst of a very active life. He was left to himself. How could mental rules possibly be drawn up for a work embracing all the levels of evolution – mental, vital, and psychic, all the human types and all the traditions and cultures (some disciples had been raised as Christians, others as Taoists, Moslems, Buddhists, atheists, etc.)?
Each one had to find his own truth, which is never the same as the next man's truth.
Some people in the Ashram believed in the virtues of asceticism – in spite of all Sri Aurobindo had said about it – and they lived as ascetics; others favored judo or football; others liked books and studies, while still others did not; some were involved in business, or manufactured stainless steel, perfumes, and even tons of sugar in a modern sugar mill. There was something to satisfy every taste.´´
etc.etc. etc. www.aurobindo.ru/workings/satprem/adventure_of_consciousness_e.htm#066 page298
have a nice
i sense you have something to say, which might be considered private, do it, in a private message if you like
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 22, 2014 6:29:45 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Simple phenomena spun into mystical language.. strip away the embellishments, 'get' the message, apply the message, and.. if the message works, your awareness is increased/expanded, then.. move on with living Life, rather than remaining attached to the message or the messenger.. How does the guru's message improve your experience of living your existence? if the guru is genuine, they send you on 'your own way' to your own self-discovery.. the problem is the variety of teachers/gurus wanting their special brand of mystical knowledge to be 'the' answer for everyone, or.. conversely, the student wants their teacher's special brand of mystical knowledge to be 'the' answer for everyone, but.. it is rare that the someone lets go of attachment and identification with 'their' special brand of mystical knowledge and genuinely seeks to find a way to 'give it away', without authorship, ownership, or qualification.. an analogy is like giving people very special mystical fish, without teaching the people to fish, because if the people could fish, they would find out that there's nothing special or mystical about the fish, and no special mystical hierarchy would distinguish the teacher from the everybody else eating fish, too.. Be well.. ´´How does the guru's message improve your experience of living your existence? if the guru is genuine, they send you on 'your own way' to your own self-discovery.. the problem is the variety of teachers/gurus wanting their special brand of mystical knowledge to be 'the' answer for everyone, or.. conversely, ...´´
for me, personally, the guru represents an experience... and maybe a whole range of experiences if you have the stamina to stick with it, which most dont... I met a student of The Mother (a very advanced one, western man), he cured me of a deadly illness in 20 seconds after a conversation of about 5 minutes.I had also gone through some kind of test, though i was unaware of the fact that it was a test...it was not easy i assure you )
(my illness..sheer hell i assure you--i was very lucky--70 pct commit suicide--statistics---i had an amalgam of very nasty voices in my head, and an incredible range of totally erratic feelings and was exhausted..ready to jump off a building--30+ years ago)he ´´reset´´ me, i dont know how to say it otherwise..and he sent me on my way,and without any words..guided me out of this HELL...mainly by fortifying the WITNESS, which is the same presence in everyone...
he also gave me two or three sentences of advice,stuff no psychiatrist would ever have dared to tell me, (i had dealings with these absolute morons-psychiatrists..grrrr... , and gradually i got back structure in my life.
Much later i found out what was ´´wrong´´ with me, maybe i go into that some other time..this man showed me things...a wound healing INSTANTLY (a deep cut in my hand), an object disappearing into thin air(not for ´´show´´it was necessary)(he wasnt physically present)..so yea i was mightily impressed .because my life IMPROVED RADICALLY...he never asked a penny, but he did say :´´this is not my job´´, (healing people)
he never expected me to follow his ´´way´´, a HUGE heart where i was always welcome, i made too little use of it i suppose...he left the body in 2007 and i´d forgotten him completely until a few months a go..I DO LIVE MY LIFE BRO,
i learned the difference between hallucination and genuine experience, among many other things...
i just see a lot of prejudice from your reactions TZU, if you´d go inside and be aware of the Presence that is , you might learn someting, or actually read some of the stuff / LINKS i posted here earlier on the forum, because some of the stuff you are saying to me, i was going to say to you.. .)
this is a quote about the ashram..quite unconventional...the only thing there was, A MASSIVE LIGHT, LOVE, PURE, and just as a sensitive can enter your experience, i can enter theirs(could..it is clouded now ...well meant flak from forummers and..but it will return..)
i dont want to sound ungrateful but i have met a few like you, and though i like what you are saying,(though often too abstract for me) it is the Experience that makes one grow.
i also like what ISHTAHOTA is saying, and some things of Enigma, or Andrew..BOB...Figless...and i experience what they say..you were the first here, by chance or what?..that i got in contact with, just as i was about to leave the forum, a year? ago or so remember?--so i stuck around..there is maybe some thing to learn, maybe to get, or maybe to GIVE, here..)
quote about the ashram (i visited once but never lived there..´´the ashram is everywhere´´)
´´´´Any Westerner journeying there with the idea of finding peace or learning "yoga" was certainly disappointed. First of all, no one would try to teach him anything (rather, "unlearning" was what was required); there were no classes and no "teaching," except for Sri Aurobindo's written works and the Mother's Questions and Answers, which were at everyone's disposal (as well as all other teachings, in fact, both traditional and nontraditional).
There were no rules, either. A disciple had to discover everything for himself, within himself, in the midst of a very active life. He was left to himself. How could mental rules possibly be drawn up for a work embracing all the levels of evolution – mental, vital, and psychic, all the human types and all the traditions and cultures (some disciples had been raised as Christians, others as Taoists, Moslems, Buddhists, atheists, etc.)?
Each one had to find his own truth, which is never the same as the next man's truth.
Some people in the Ashram believed in the virtues of asceticism – in spite of all Sri Aurobindo had said about it – and they lived as ascetics; others favored judo or football; others liked books and studies, while still others did not; some were involved in business, or manufactured stainless steel, perfumes, and even tons of sugar in a modern sugar mill. There was something to satisfy every taste.´´
etc.etc. etc. www.aurobindo.ru/workings/satprem/adventure_of_consciousness_e.htm#066 page298
have a nice
i sense you have something to say, which might be considered private, do it, in a private message if you like
Nope.. you've "hitched your wagon to a star", enjoy the ride, it's a guided tour.. Be well..
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Post by acewall on Jan 22, 2014 8:07:23 GMT -5
just a question WHAT IS CONSCIOUSNESS ?? anyone ? life
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Post by Beingist on Jan 22, 2014 13:27:58 GMT -5
Works for me.
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