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Dec 19, 2013 19:32:33 GMT -5
Post by justlikeyou on Dec 19, 2013 19:32:33 GMT -5
Perhaps Tolle is a reaching point along the journey... but I hope he won't be a stopping point for those who've read all his books. Like anything... the hand that helps you up can be the hand that keeps you down too. . The problem with any "reaching point" outside yourself is that it is never forever. All things have a beginning and an end, a birth and a death. Everything comes and it goes. Nothing outside yourself is forever. What ever you attach yourself to outside yourself will always end up disapppointing you and leaving you high and dry, sooner or later. It is for this reason that the sage advice is to look for that which is permanent in the only place it can be found...inside yourself.
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Tolle
Dec 19, 2013 19:33:29 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Dec 19, 2013 19:33:29 GMT -5
That's a fair enough observation ... but of course, I'll point out, that there's really no way for you to hear any of the silence that might be, in some way or another, attributable to what he's written and said. Of course, silence can no more be attributed to what was written or said... than over-thinking can. The responsibility lies with the reader. I've learned much from fiction, poetry, language, drama studies etc.; none of which attempt to explain what I've managed to find by looking at them outside of that box of meaning. Perhaps my perceptions come from my preferred way... that is, to look, explore and find within myself - as opposed to reading or listening to somebody explain what we know. So ... did you invent that technique you discussed of investigating linguistic associations or did someone else explain that to you?
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Tolle
Dec 19, 2013 19:36:52 GMT -5
Post by silver on Dec 19, 2013 19:36:52 GMT -5
That really surprises me because it seems like 'TPON' was the book on everybody's lips -- still. *shrug*
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Tolle
Dec 19, 2013 19:38:55 GMT -5
Post by silver on Dec 19, 2013 19:38:55 GMT -5
Perhaps Tolle is a reaching point along the journey... but I hope he won't be a stopping point for those who've read all his books. Like anything... the hand that helps you up can be the hand that keeps you down too. . The problem with any "reaching point" outside yourself is that it is never forever. All things have a beginning and an end, a birth and a death. Everything comes and it goes. ..... Eggzacktly.
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Tolle
Dec 19, 2013 19:40:46 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Dec 19, 2013 19:40:46 GMT -5
That really surprises me because it seems like 'TPON' was the book on everybody's lips -- still. *shrug* Do you mean here on this forum or in general?
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Tolle
Dec 19, 2013 19:43:10 GMT -5
Post by silver on Dec 19, 2013 19:43:10 GMT -5
That really surprises me because it seems like 'TPON' was the book on everybody's lips -- still. *shrug* Do you mean here on this forum or in general? in general -- talk shows, etc. at least that's what I was hearing round n about.
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Tolle
Dec 19, 2013 19:47:01 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Dec 19, 2013 19:47:01 GMT -5
Do you mean here on this forum or in general? in general -- talk shows, etc. at least that's what I was hearing round n about.oh, ok, well there's an explanation as far as the frequency here on this forum but I can't speak to your more broadly based perception.
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Dec 20, 2013 2:20:34 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 2:20:34 GMT -5
Perhaps Tolle is a reaching point along the journey... but I hope he won't be a stopping point for those who've read all his books. Like anything... the hand that helps you up can be the hand that keeps you down too. . The problem with any "reaching point" outside yourself is that it is never forever. All things have a beginning and an end, a birth and a death. Everything comes and it goes. Nothing outside yourself is forever. What ever you attach yourself to outside yourself will always end up disapppointing you and leaving you high and dry, sooner or later. It is for this reason that the sage advice is to look for that which is permanent in the only place it can be found...inside yourself. Yes, this is what I was saying.
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Tolle
Dec 20, 2013 2:52:33 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 2:52:33 GMT -5
Of course, silence can no more be attributed to what was written or said... than over-thinking can. The responsibility lies with the reader. I've learned much from fiction, poetry, language, drama studies etc.; none of which attempt to explain what I've managed to find by looking at them outside of that box of meaning. Perhaps my perceptions come from my preferred way... that is, to look, explore and find within myself - as opposed to reading or listening to somebody explain what we know. So ... did you invent that technique you discussed of investigating linguistic associations or did someone else explain that to you? I came across the theories of language and meaning when studying literature and performance at university. So I learned these theories as different perspectives with which to discuss literature and drama. But I recognise life as a story or a performance (again, not through a specific teacher, but through generic ideas of life being a stage etc) and it seems natural for influences from multiple aspects of my experience to come together within me. This is what I mean by exploring ideas from a wide variety of contexts and finding them as a spiritual way within myself. - rather than learning a 'spiritual' way from a 'spiritual' teacher.
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Tolle
Dec 20, 2013 7:46:32 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Dec 20, 2013 7:46:32 GMT -5
So ... did you invent that technique you discussed of investigating linguistic associations or did someone else explain that to you? I came across the theories of language and meaning when studying literature and performance at university. So I learned these theories as different perspectives with which to discuss literature and drama. But I recognise life as a story or a performance (again, not through a specific teacher, but through generic ideas of life being a stage etc) and it seems natural for influences from multiple aspects of my experience to come together within me. This is what I mean by exploring ideas from a wide variety of contexts and finding them as a spiritual way within myself. - rather than learning a 'spiritual' way from a 'spiritual' teacher.
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 20, 2013 11:38:02 GMT -5
The problem with any "reaching point" outside yourself is that it is never forever. All things have a beginning and an end, a birth and a death. Everything comes and it goes. Nothing outside yourself is forever. What ever you attach yourself to outside yourself will always end up disapppointing you and leaving you high and dry, sooner or later. It is for this reason that the sage advice is to look for that which is permanent in the only place it can be found...inside yourself. Yes, this is what I was saying. Any good teacher worth his salt won't let you get attached to him. And if he does let you it will only be for a little while before he gives you back to yourself.
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Dec 20, 2013 12:36:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 12:36:46 GMT -5
Yes, this is what I was saying. Any good teacher worth his salt won't let you get attached to him. And if he does let you it will only be for a little while before he gives you back to yourself. How can Tolle do this when he cannot be in touch with all who have read his books?
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Dec 20, 2013 12:39:57 GMT -5
Post by justlikeyou on Dec 20, 2013 12:39:57 GMT -5
Any good teacher worth his salt won't let you get attached to him. And if he does let you it will only be for a little while before he gives you back to yourself. How can Tolle do this when he cannot be in touch with all who have read his books? How can he do what exactly?
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Dec 20, 2013 12:44:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 12:44:12 GMT -5
How can Tolle do this when he cannot be in touch with all who have read his books? How can he do what exactly? Not let people get attached to him... or only let you get attached for a little while... and then give you back to yourself. the question was relating to what you said re teachers.
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Tolle
Dec 20, 2013 12:50:01 GMT -5
Post by silver on Dec 20, 2013 12:50:01 GMT -5
How can he do what exactly? Not let people get attached to him... or only let you get attached for a little while... and then give you back to yourself. the question was relating to what you said re teachers. If I may interject, I don't think he meant physically attached.
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