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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 7, 2013 11:21:39 GMT -5
*yawn* You think I'm trolling all the time. I'm not. I made a simple and logical argument. Prove me wrong or get lost. I absolutely hate jokes at my expense. How much effort does it cost you to just stop making them? .... I wasn't laughing at you Of course you were. How did you think I would interpret your stupid "9rd"? Fúck this shít. I'm not in the mood for these stupid games.
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Post by laughter on Nov 7, 2013 11:30:45 GMT -5
.... I wasn't laughing at you Of course you were. How did you think I would interpret your stupid "9rd"? Fúck this shít. I'm not in the mood for these stupid games. OW my balls!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 11:31:40 GMT -5
Maybe a better word would be 'accident'? Whatever you like. You don't like me, but you know that I'm saying the truth, so you're trying to find a different word than mine to express the same truth, so that to yourself you can fake some disagrement. But you can't cheat me, I'm seeing through all your subtle games. The important aspect is that existence is imperfect, and even worse, it is imperfect at my expense. If I were to decide then existence would be different, i.e. it is a mistake that needs to be corrected. aka Tony Clifton?
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 7, 2013 11:39:53 GMT -5
If you guys don't want a serious discussion how hard can it be to just say so from the start?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 11:43:55 GMT -5
If you guys don't want a serious discussion how hard can it be to just say so from the start? I prefer my serious discussions lightly seasoned with irreverance, humor and unseriousness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 11:50:47 GMT -5
Maybe a better word would be 'accident'? Whatever you like. You don't like me, but you know that I'm saying the truth, so you're trying to find a different word than mine to express the same truth, so that to yourself you can fake some disagreement. But you can't cheat me, I'm seeing through all your subtle games. The important aspect is that existence is imperfect, and even worse, it is imperfect at my expense. If I were to decide then existence would be different, i.e. it is a mistake that needs to be corrected. Actually I think 'accident' is presumptuous too but not as over-the-top anthropomorphic as 'mistake.' "Mistake" reminds me of Job -- the fictional character howling about his boils. Perhaps if God hadn't been so aggressive with his tests, Job's suffering would have been less and he would have complained of an "Accident."
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 7, 2013 11:53:00 GMT -5
If you guys don't want a serious discussion how hard can it be to just say so from the start? I prefer my serious discussions lightly seasoned with irreverance, humor and unseriousness. I don't, because then serious discussions just end up being a waste of time with idiots making their stupid jokes thinking they're the cleverest thing ever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 11:58:28 GMT -5
I prefer my serious discussions lightly seasoned with irreverance, humor and unseriousness. I don't, because then serious discussions just end up being a waste of time with idiots making their stupid jokes thinking they're the cleverest thing ever. Perhaps there is something in the discussion that might be mildly fruitful or entertaining even if it devolves into something you dislike? Didn't you just reiterate your intention for participating here was mostly for entertainment purposes? I'd say this forum is entirely riddled with devolving discussions. I take from them what I want.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 7, 2013 11:59:30 GMT -5
Whatever you like. You don't like me, but you know that I'm saying the truth, so you're trying to find a different word than mine to express the same truth, so that to yourself you can fake some disagreement. But you can't cheat me, I'm seeing through all your subtle games. The important aspect is that existence is imperfect, and even worse, it is imperfect at my expense. If I were to decide then existence would be different, i.e. it is a mistake that needs to be corrected. Actually I think 'accident' is presumptuous too but not as over-the-top anthropomorphic as 'mistake.' "Mistake" reminds me of Job -- the fictional character howling about his boils. Perhaps if God hadn't been so aggressive with his tests, Job's suffering would have been less and he would have complained of an "Accident." I don't understand what is so difficult about it. Existence is imperfect because I can imagine a better existence. That's an objective and perfectly logical fact. For example a perfect circle is one that expresses the ideal mathematical formula. It's impossible to imagine a more perfect circle. If you want a perfect circle and instead you get some weird oval then the oval is not what you wanted.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 7, 2013 12:03:36 GMT -5
I don't, because then serious discussions just end up being a waste of time with idiots making their stupid jokes thinking they're the cleverest thing ever. Perhaps there is something in the discussion that might be mildly fruitful or entertaining even if it devolves into something you dislike? Didn't you just reiterate your intention for participating here was mostly for entertainment purposes? I'd say this forum is entirely riddled with devolving discussions. I take from them what I want. I don't care what I said some time ago, and I don't care what someone else has said in the past, tbh I wouldn't remember anyhow. What I do know is that if someone says that he wants a discussion without stupid jokes then I will respect that.
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Post by lolly on Nov 8, 2013 1:46:17 GMT -5
No. I wouldn't call existence a mistake. I know there's a lot of ways to consider existence, random, designed, inexplicable... We get these one liners like 'it's meant to be', and I think such an attitude implies a good deal of equanimity, which is nice. I'm usually concerned with human behavior. In my philosophy suffering is behavior based, not actions in a physical sense, but mental behaviours. The behaviours don't serve themselves, they are caused by something, namely something from the world. First the world is a mistake and then we react to the mistake. If the world were perfect then we wouldn't be sad and angry. What you're suggesting is a form of cognitive dissonance, or the ignorant three monkeys hear/see/speak no evil. It's dishonesty at its purest. The honest way would be to admit that yes the world is an evil mistake, and we have every right to be píssed about it, but it's a stupid world and there is no god or higher intelligence, so just choose some belief that makes you feel comfortable so that you can be less píssed about the world. This whole nonduality/spirituality thing is simply about forming an unshakable belief that makes one feel comfortable. Behaviours related to suffering are mentally reactive and pertain to 'me'. The world contains a continual chain of events. Some create highly pleasurable experience and others are unpleasant. I wouldn't say that the world is perfect. When I speak of pain in the world, anyone who ever lived experiences it and finds it to be very unpleasant, and all fauna experience sadness anger happiness and all these emotions. The emotions are not fixtures (we merely have fixed names for them), they are continually changing experiences that include physical sensations. Today's anger will transform into tomorrow's happiness just as todays sunshine follows yesterday's rain. OK... to say the world is perfect is only asserting a quality on the observable, and likewise, to describe an evil mistake refers to a drawn conclusion about the world, and is not the observed in itself. One example it to take a neutral thing, such as the changing sensation in one of our hands, and what is it? Perfect, imperfect, evil mistake? These secondary descriptors are judgements about the observation. The observation occurs, and people make up a story like it's perfect or whatever. I don't disagree... there is good enough reason to be pissed at the world. People can be so monsterous. I never cease to be astounded at that, and I'm no angel, and I contribute to the misery in some small way too. As far as God is concerned, I'll leave that to the religious people to quaff on ... Mr Perfect himself! LOL. It's not like the Big Daddy in the Sky is judging people and all that nonsense... it's more like people judging eachother, and judging the universe as perfect or imperfect or whatever.
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Post by acewall on Nov 8, 2013 5:30:40 GMT -5
NOT knowing is a better state than knowing is. Not knowing is exhilerating, sensitive,delightfully expectant, alert.... on the verge of knowing is precious to say the least. Without ignorance, people who-know could never act out 'Know it all' be domineering and over the top. Seems to me no-knowing is closer to compassion than knowing is. Oh ... I'm pretty big on compassion... I just don't think in ultimate terms, so knowing is like I know I'm typing here or I know how to grow beans. There are also things to know by way of insight too... To me its like NORMAL... its better to be nearly-normal rather than NORMAL! Yea... normal is a hard one, I guess there are degrees of normalcy. 'things' get set,killed, made-stale by branding. Being strong with compassion is indicative of your inner sensitivity. When the 'I' sets out apart from it's wholeness to get to know or understand, it does so then returns back into its original state.(origin) All the individual 'I's on the globe are experiencing their personal freedoms, having runnaway from home. Few return, prefering to OWN its conquests, its attainments. What my 'I' came to realise is that mind which surrounds the cranium can return also. Mind can function perfectly well at Home, where it was formed, created in the first instance. These things are in the area of your insight/experience?
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Post by acewall on Nov 8, 2013 5:36:49 GMT -5
.... I wasn't laughing at you Of course you were. How did you think I would interpret your stupid "9rd"? Fúck this shít. I'm not in the mood for these stupid games. Fúck has so many meanings...I presume you dont mean bumfúck which gets you all covered in anothers shít? Understanding the other requires us to take-in their-concepts...mull it over, before we can respond intelligently. What is it in you that, 'Fúcks the shít?' is I your ego?
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 8, 2013 7:03:19 GMT -5
Behaviours related to suffering are mentally reactive and pertain to 'me'. The world contains a continual chain of events. Some create highly pleasurable experience and others are unpleasant. I wouldn't say that the world is perfect. When I speak of pain in the world, anyone who ever lived experiences it and finds it to be very unpleasant, and all fauna experience sadness anger happiness and all these emotions. The emotions are not fixtures (we merely have fixed names for them), they are continually changing experiences that include physical sensations. Today's anger will transform into tomorrow's happiness just as todays sunshine follows yesterday's rain. OK... to say the world is perfect is only asserting a quality on the observable, and likewise, to describe an evil mistake refers to a drawn conclusion about the world, and is not the observed in itself. One example it to take a neutral thing, such as the changing sensation in one of our hands, and what is it? Perfect, imperfect, evil mistake? These secondary descriptors are judgements about the observation. The observation occurs, and people make up a story like it's perfect or whatever. I don't disagree... there is good enough reason to be pissed at the world. People can be so monsterous. I never cease to be astounded at that, and I'm no angel, and I contribute to the misery in some small way too. As far as God is concerned, I'll leave that to the religious people to quaff on ... Mr Perfect himself! LOL. It's not like the Big Daddy in the Sky is judging people and all that nonsense... it's more like people judging eachother, and judging the universe as perfect or imperfect or whatever. You really have a knack for using many many words without saying anything at all. Didn't you say that you would respond to me only in short sentences?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 9:41:57 GMT -5
Perhaps there is something in the discussion that might be mildly fruitful or entertaining even if it devolves into something you dislike? Didn't you just reiterate your intention for participating here was mostly for entertainment purposes? I'd say this forum is entirely riddled with devolving discussions. I take from them what I want. I don't care what I said some time ago, and I don't care what someone else has said in the past, tbh I wouldn't remember anyhow. What I do know is that if someone says that he wants a discussion without stupid jokes then I will respect that. Okay. Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/159890/quote/3186?page=4#ixzz2k45CqzHzYour existence is imperfect because you compare it with one you imagine is more perfect. I'm not saying that your existence would be perfect if it wasn't compared. I'm saying that it's possible to just leave it alone. This does not mean that one would stop responding to existence in a responsible way. The conjecture I'm going with is that by leaving it alone, mentally, one is able to better respond.
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