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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 15:48:30 GMT -5
That's a cracking spelling of exercised Stevie ~ Love it Hi Sharon, and thank you. Would you be interested in doing some more editing and correction? I try to check things over after they are written, but things get missed :-) Hi, welcome, not formally no, clearly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 15:54:15 GMT -5
Greetings.. Whats special about it? The looking, or the being alert, or the focussing of attention on something? If that's all it is, you would have stopped there.. by the way, the intentional focusing of attention 'on something' defeats the practice.. Be well.. With all due respect, how would you know that? What you write here indicates that we have a different quality of experience, so, lacking experience of what I am discussing, how can you make an informed commentary on the correctness of the means to engender an experience that you seem to indicate that you believe does not exist?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 15:55:40 GMT -5
Hi Sharon, and thank you. Would you be interested in doing some more editing and correction? I try to check things over after they are written, but things get missed :-) Hi, welcome, not formally no, clearly. Well as an informal passtime, please feel free to correct my spelling anytime you like ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 16:13:30 GMT -5
Hi, welcome, not formally no, clearly. Well as an informal passtime, please feel free to correct my spelling anytime you like ;-) Don't words get a squiggly red line under them on your screen, like the one that is under pastime on mine, now?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 16:15:01 GMT -5
Well as an informal passtime, please feel free to correct my spelling anytime you like ;-) Don't words get a squiggly red line under them on your screen, like the one that is under pastime on mine, now?Nope i'm usually posting from an iphone sitting outdoors someplace though....the correcting auto correct function on the phone is more time consuming than not using it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 16:16:43 GMT -5
Don't words get a squiggly red line under them on your screen, like the one that is under pastime on mine, now? Nope What browser do you use?
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Post by tzujanli on Sept 18, 2013 16:17:01 GMT -5
Greetings.. With all due respect, how would you know that? What you write here indicates that we have a different quality of experience, so, lacking experience of what I am discussing, how can you make an informed commentary on the correctness of the means to engender an experience that you seem to indicate that you believe does not exist? I have much experience with the method you describe.. it gives you information about what you are focused 'on', but no awareness of its interconnected relationship with what your focus has excluded.. if what you are interested in is information about how to focus on 'one thing', the method you describe 'works'.. if you are interested in what is happening, 'be alert and pay attention' to all of it.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 16:23:09 GMT -5
Don't words get a squiggly red line under them on your screen, like the one that is under pastime on mine, now? Nope i'm usually posting from an iphone sitting outdoors someplace though.... the correcting auto correct function on the phone is more time consuming than not using it. Oh. I can see the appeal of the timeless for you then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 16:30:11 GMT -5
Greetings.. I have much experience with the method you describe.. it gives you information about what you are focused 'on', but no awareness of its interconnected relationship with what your focus has excluded.. if what you are interested in is information about how to focus on 'one thing', the method you describe 'works'.. if you are interested in what is happening, 'be alert and pay attention' to all of it.. Be well.. Again, with all due respect, you are talking about something competely different than what I am discussing with Question. I am not offering a method for seeing "what is going on", or how the mind may better understand how objects are interconnected. I'm also not offering a method to "get information about what you are focusing on"....though this method can and will do that as a side effect. All of these things that you are talking about are ways to inform the mind of the individual. I am telling Question the method that I used to transcend the mind, lose conciousness of individuation, and merge into a unified conciousness with no individuation or seperation. An experience that you have stated repeatedly that you believe does not exist. You are offering alternative methods to do something different that what I am discussing here. Its as is you are not actually aware of what me and Question are talking about, or what he is actually trying to do, despite both of us stating it clearly. You might benefit, in this situation, by actually taking your own advice, and pay attention to what is "actually going on" lol On a more personal note, your whole "process" seems to be about informing your mind with clarity about what you percieve.....but have you ever considered that there might be something more to all of this than just getting more accurate information for your mind to understand?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 16:38:37 GMT -5
Nope i'm usually posting from an iphone sitting outdoors someplace though.... the correcting auto correct function on the phone is more time consuming than not using it. Oh. I can see the appeal of the timeless for you then.Careful Sharon, you may be in grave danger of taking on the appearance of a person with no contribution to the discussion here, other than trolling. You don't want to be an internet forum troll do you?
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Post by tzujanli on Sept 18, 2013 16:52:13 GMT -5
Greetings.. Again, with all due respect, you are talking about something competely different than what I am discussing with Question. I am not offering a method for seeing "what is going on", or how the mind may better understand how objects are interconnected. I'm also not offering a method to "get information about what you are focusing on"....though this method can and will do that as a side effect. All of these things that you are talking about are ways to inform the mind of the individual. I am telling Question the method that I used to transcend the mind, lose conciousness of individuation, and merge into a unified conciousness with no individuation or seperation. An experience that you have stated repeatedly that you believe does not exist. You are offering alternative methods to do something different that what I am discussing here. Its as is you are not actually aware of what me and Question are talking about, or what he is actually trying to do, despite both of us stating it clearly. You might benefit, in this situation, by actually taking your own advice, and pay attention to what is "actually going on" lol On a more personal note, your whole "process" seems to be about informing your mind with clarity about what you percieve.....but have you ever considered that there might be something more to all of this than just getting more accurate information for your mind to understand? With all due respect.. you haven't even gotten to the station to find out the train you think you're going to ride, never even existed.. You cannot "transcend the mind" as if it is something other than 'you', you and mind are the same.. you are trying to transcend 'ideas' and let go of mind's conditioning.. that still clear mind will amaze you, when it's not concentrating on 'one thing'.. You'll figure it out, maybe.. enjoy your method.. Be well..
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 18, 2013 17:11:39 GMT -5
Greetings.. With all due respect.. you haven't even gotten to the station to find out the train you think you're going to ride, never even existed.. You cannot "transcend the mind" as if it is something other than 'you', you and mind are the same.. you are trying to transcend 'ideas' and let go of mind's conditioning.. that still clear mind will amaze you, when it's not concentrating on 'one thing'.. You'll figure it out, maybe.. enjoy your method.. Be well.. Do you have a better method? If so then I'm always curious to hear it. But just so there is no misunderstanding: I'm not interested in hearing anyone's philosophies, nondual or otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 17:24:58 GMT -5
Oh. I can see the appeal of the timeless for you then. Careful Sharon, you may be in grave danger of taking on the appearance of a person with no contribution to the discussion here, other than trolling. You don't want to be an internet forum troll do you? My, my. Grave danger eh? Are you missing your whipping boy?
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 18, 2013 17:32:13 GMT -5
Careful Sharon, you may be in grave danger of taking on the appearance of a person with no contribution to the discussion here, other than trolling. You don't want to be an internet forum troll do you? My, my. Grave danger eh? Are you missing your whipping boy?Please go away and post a video in your rebirth thread or whatever. Nobody here wants to read your trolling.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 17:33:40 GMT -5
Greetings.. Again, with all due respect, you are talking about something competely different than what I am discussing with Question. I am not offering a method for seeing "what is going on", or how the mind may better understand how objects are interconnected. I'm also not offering a method to "get information about what you are focusing on"....though this method can and will do that as a side effect. All of these things that you are talking about are ways to inform the mind of the individual. I am telling Question the method that I used to transcend the mind, lose conciousness of individuation, and merge into a unified conciousness with no individuation or seperation. An experience that you have stated repeatedly that you believe does not exist. You are offering alternative methods to do something different that what I am discussing here. Its as is you are not actually aware of what me and Question are talking about, or what he is actually trying to do, despite both of us stating it clearly. You might benefit, in this situation, by actually taking your own advice, and pay attention to what is "actually going on" lol On a more personal note, your whole "process" seems to be about informing your mind with clarity about what you percieve.....but have you ever considered that there might be something more to all of this than just getting more accurate information for your mind to understand? With all due respect.. you haven't even gotten to the station to find out the train you think you're going to ride, never even existed.. You cannot "transcend the mind" as if it is something other than 'you', you and mind are the same.. you are trying to transcend 'ideas' and let go of mind's conditioning.. that still clear mind will amaze you, when it's not concentrating on 'one thing'.. You'll figure it out, maybe.. enjoy your method.. Be well.. You exhibit one of the worst of human characteristics here. You believe with absolute certainty that the peak of your own personal experience is the peak of all experience. Ot seems to be a kind of hubris, wherein when someone relates an experience that is different, or dare I say: Further than your own, your response is to tell them that their experience does not and cannot exist, because your experience is the only true one, and nothing deeper or further can be experienced by anyone other than what you (tzu) are experiencing. Have you EVER seen me tell anyone here that their experience is not actually happening? Its kinda an irrational thing to say to someone....and yet every day you tell people that they are not in fact having the experience they are describing, and that in reality they are having the experience you are having....and that the only possible experience for anyone to have is Tzu's experience. So let me be clear, as others have tried to do with you to no avail. I am not saying that your experience of clarity of mind is not valid, nor am I saying that your approach is useless or erroneous, in fact, its pretty spot on.....but I am saying that there is a "further so to speak, and I am saying that I am not relating an idea about an experience, or a supposition or a belief, or a mental embellishment. I am telling you from direct experience that I and MANY others have experienced a state of consciousness where there are no "parts" and there is no experience of a self, or an individuation, or a ME, or a personal mind that "processes" information about "what is". And I am telling you from direct clear experience that this state of consciousness, is indescribably expanded and "greater" than the consciousness thats bound to individuated perspective. Now, in your hubris you can deny this state of conciousness's existence simply because you have no personal awareness of it, but that is just your own hubris and lack of allowing the possibility that there may be a deeper and clearer and further experience than your own. But why you, or anyone else, would say to a person, and worse yet actually believe that there is no possibility of a more expanded and unified state of consciousness than the limitation of your own experience thus far in life is just beyond me. I, and others, have told you repeatedly that they have direct clear experiences of states of consciousness where no "parts" exist, no experience of individuation exist, and there is only and experience of a limitless unified whole, and that this experience is something more than being absorbed in the mentation and understanding of phenomena from the individuated perspective. Instead of asking questions about this, you call them liars or delusional, and out of some kind of ABSURDLY close minded hubris that says that tzu has not and is not experiencing this so it CANNOT exist, and therefore is just some story they are making up. Your close minded hubris and absurdity is....well...........absurd lol Is it possible for you to entertain the possibility that the folks that are describing this to you are not lying or delusional based solely on the evidence that its not an experience you are familiar with? As an aside, let me be clear....I'm not telling you about a train that I want to ride, or that I think might exist....I'm telling you about a train ride that I have taken and continue to take.....your belief that that the train does not exist is just a kind of close minded attitude that says that if I don't already know about it then it can't exist, as if you already know and have experienced all possible trains....again, the hubris of that is astounding.
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