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Aug 30, 2013 17:06:47 GMT -5
Post by silence on Aug 30, 2013 17:06:47 GMT -5
Buddha Paul Tillich Lao Tzu George Bernard Shaw Your duty is to investigate what you think of as your duty, and then act responsibly. Determine if what you think of as your duty is aiding your ability to respond in the moment or is hindering it. Most likely it will be distorting your response abilities, making your actions less efficient and less appropriate. Your duty is to be a man of action. This may likely involve ignoring any thoughts about what your duty is. I like the Lao Tzu quote.
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Aug 30, 2013 17:07:29 GMT -5
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Post by silence on Aug 30, 2013 17:07:29 GMT -5
your bad joke Sorry.
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Aug 30, 2013 18:51:18 GMT -5
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Post by Beingist on Aug 30, 2013 18:51:18 GMT -5
your bad joke I thought it was funny as hell. I also felt it my, erm, duty to say so.
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Aug 30, 2013 19:14:06 GMT -5
Post by freejoy on Aug 30, 2013 19:14:06 GMT -5
For me my duty and resposibilty are only to God. To find understanding and act on that understanding. What is God to you? I simply call God the Highest within me. I understand God as Everything and Every Expression in the Universe, Intellagence.
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Aug 30, 2013 19:23:47 GMT -5
Post by freejoy on Aug 30, 2013 19:23:47 GMT -5
Buddha Paul Tillich Lao Tzu George Bernard Shaw Your duty is to investigate what you think of as your duty, and then act responsibly. Determine if what you think of as your duty is aiding your ability to respond in the moment or is hindering it. Most likely it will be distorting your response abilities, making your actions less efficient and less appropriate. Your duty is to be a man of action. This may likely involve ignoring any thoughts about what your duty is. I like the Lao Tzu quote. Me too.
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Aug 30, 2013 19:32:27 GMT -5
Post by freejoy on Aug 30, 2013 19:32:27 GMT -5
Now, you know that's really bad, silence. Freejoy, ya gotta give peeps more to bit into. It's not necessary. His focus has been relentlessly on responsibility, goodness, self sacrifice, absence of greed, compassion, equality. This is just another way to ask a question with the same answers. Your probably right, except "equality" I see us equal spiritually but everyone has certain what seem to be gifts from God. Or maybe just certain probably pattrens that unfold when certain conditions come together. The seed in the ground is a good example, when conditions posible then the seed spontaniously manifest. We are not equal in abilities.
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Aug 30, 2013 19:47:19 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Aug 30, 2013 19:47:19 GMT -5
your bad joke I thought it was funny as hell. I also felt it my, erm, duty to say so. ... yeah I almost chirped up something or other about homophonia but the stark simplisticy beauty of it just left me mutely muttley snickering instead.
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Aug 30, 2013 19:58:29 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Aug 30, 2013 19:58:29 GMT -5
I simply call God the Highest within me. I understand God as Everything and Every Expression in the Universe, Intellagence. So how does the idea of a "gift from": It's not necessary. His focus has been relentlessly on responsibility, goodness, self sacrifice, absence of greed, compassion, equality. This is just another way to ask a question with the same answers. Your probably right, except "equality" I see us equal spiritually but everyone has certain what seem to be gifts from God. Or maybe just certain probably pattrens that unfold when certain conditions come together. The seed in the ground is a good example, when conditions posible then the seed spontaniously manifest. We are not equal in abilities. relate to that version of God? If God is everything what can possibly be given and if God is within who or what would there be to receive the gift?
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Aug 30, 2013 21:47:42 GMT -5
Post by freejoy on Aug 30, 2013 21:47:42 GMT -5
I simply call God the Highest within me. I understand God as Everything and Every Expression in the Universe, Intellagence. So how does the idea of a "gift from": Not sure, I use it as an expression, like good vocal cords, maybe good analytical abilities, but not just those but any combination of unfoldings that manifest benefit for the evolution of the human species.
Your probably right, except "equality" I see us equal spiritually but everyone has certain what seem to be gifts from God. Or maybe just certain probably pattrens that unfold when certain conditions come together. The seed in the ground is a good example, when conditions posible then the seed spontaniously manifest. We are not equal in abilities. relate to that version of God? If God is everything what can possibly be given and if God is within who or what would there be to receive the gift? The "forms" of our individuated expressions. It's it a marvelous thing the human form?
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Aug 31, 2013 9:51:27 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Aug 31, 2013 9:51:27 GMT -5
So how does the idea of a "gift from": Not sure, I use it as an expression, like good vocal cords, maybe good analytical abilities, but not just those but any combination of unfoldings that manifest benefit for the evolution of the human species.
relate to that version of God? If God is everything what can possibly be given and if God is within who or what would there be to receive the gift? The "forms" of our individuated expressions. It's it a marvelous thing the human form?
Evolution doesn't have anything to do with benefit, that's an overlay we put on it. What does it mean to you that the forms are the beneficiaries of the gift, and yet to find the benefactor, we don't have to look outside of that form? So do you love humanity? ... I ask because I get the impression from the questions you ask that your orientation toward humanity is more of a love/hate type of deal. Also non-sequitur but relevant overall, do you seriously believe that the idea of an enlightened person is anything other than a mirage?
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Aug 31, 2013 10:16:14 GMT -5
Post by freejoy on Aug 31, 2013 10:16:14 GMT -5
Evolution doesn't have anything to do with benefit, that's an overlay we put on it. Evolution implies improvement upward. Devolution?What does it mean to you that the forms are the beneficiaries of the gift, and yet to find the benefactor, we don't have to look outside of that form? Probability patterns.So do you love humanity? I do my best. Does humanity love me? ... I ask because I get the impression from the questions you ask that your orientation toward humanity is more of a love/hate type of deal. Love the sinner hate the sin sort of thing I guess.
Also non-sequitur but relevant overall, do you seriously believe that the idea of an enlightened person is anything other than a mirage? For any particular enlightened person yes, but I'm just getting a general demographic, physiographic profile. Is that acceptable?
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Aug 31, 2013 10:46:38 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Aug 31, 2013 10:46:38 GMT -5
Evolution doesn't have anything to do with benefit, that's an overlay we put on it. Evolution implies improvement upward. Devolution? That is exactly the overlay I was referring to. Underlying evolution is the concept of selection. Evolution is the process by which selection, over time, results in form which is ever more likely to be selected for. The overlay is a function of the point that you happen to find yourself part of what has been selected for. For example, look at popular culture today. By what measure are the ideas and expressions a move "upward"? Any measure of "better" is arbitrary and that which is gonna survive the next round of selection doesn't necessarily match those systems of value currently subject to consensus. Evolution implies only: that which is good at reproducing itself is here because it is good at reproducing itself, and there's no other measure or value that applies. What does it mean to you that the forms are the beneficiaries of the gift, and yet to find the benefactor, we don't have to look outside of that form? Probability patterns.That's no answer. Either you're evading the question or you don't grasp it. I do my best. Does humanity love me? ... I ask because I get the impression from the questions you ask that your orientation toward humanity is more of a love/hate type of deal. Love the sinner hate the sin sort of thing I guess. Ok, gotcha ... not endorsing your pov but I get it. In my opinion, the problems that you've been expressing are all self-created and the function of the distinctions between yourself and humanity and between humanity and what humanity isn't. The thinker will never reconcile this idea with the one that indifference to poverty, hunger and other forms of human suffering are indicative of the one so indifferent harboring those false distinctions. Also non-sequitur but relevant overall, do you seriously believe that the idea of an enlightened person is anything other than a mirage? Any particular enlightened person yes, but I just getting a general demographic physiographic profile. Is that acceptable? Well, first off, I'm laughing both with you and at you in having masked the login name "specialguy" with the pseudonym "freejoy". ... that alone tells anyone all they need to know about these questions you keep posting. Second off, acceptable? Who said anything about unacceptable? Any particular enlightened person yes, but I just getting a general demographic physiographic profile. Is that acceptable? If you know that the idea of an enlightened person is a fallacy then "any particular enlightened person" is just another fallacy and this demographic profile you're contriving based on it is just fallacy built with more fallacy.
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Aug 31, 2013 10:55:16 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Aug 31, 2013 10:55:16 GMT -5
Evolution doesn't have anything to do with benefit, that's an overlay we put on it. Evolution implies improvement upward. Devolution?I'm not sure what you mean by benefit and improvement upward, but evolution seems to be more about diversity of expression. Naturally, there needs to be survivability and functionality in that expression, but if it were about evolving into the fittest and brightest there would be no slugs. If it were about longevity, there would be no mayflies. The human has evolved from a simple creature that apparently lived in harmony with nature as all other creatures do, to a sophisticated species that fouls it's own nest and creates suffering for itself and other creatures. So if it's about improvement, I'm not sure what the criteria are. What is apparent is that life takes on every form imaginable, and thrives even in the most inhospitable environments and seems driven to express it's inherent beauty and wonder.
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Aug 31, 2013 11:04:55 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Aug 31, 2013 11:04:55 GMT -5
Evolution implies improvement upward. Devolution? I'm not sure what you mean by benefit and improvement upward, but evolution seems to be more about diversity of expression. Naturally, there needs to be survivability and functionality in that expression, but if it were about evolving into the fittest and brightest there would be no slugs. If it were about longevity, there would be no mayflies. The human has evolved from a simple creature that apparently lived in harmony with nature as all other creatures do, to a sophisticated species that fouls it's own nest and creates suffering for itself and other creatures. So if it's about improvement, I'm not sure what the criteria are.What is apparent is that life takes on every form imaginable, and thrives even in the most inhospitable environments and seems driven to express it's inherent beauty and wonder. The most neutral idea I've encountered along these lines is that the environment encodes itself over time using DNA, so what humanity is, is a reflection of the changes that have happened over the history of the Earth. This is a way to arrive at the observation that two movements, the general one toward disorder (nature) and within that, one toward order (life) were bound to come into opposition (ego). Better yet, just ATA on encountering the word "evolution"!
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Aug 31, 2013 11:06:20 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Aug 31, 2013 11:06:20 GMT -5
Evolution implies improvement upward. Devolution? That is exactly the overlay I was referring to. Underlying evolution is the concept of selection. Evolution is the process by which selection, over time, results in form which is ever more likely to be selected for. The overlay is a function of the point that you happen to find yourself part of what has been selected for. For example, look at popular culture today. By what measure are the ideas and expressions a move "upward"? Any measure of "better" is arbitrary and that which is gonna survive the next round of selection doesn't necessarily match those systems of value currently subject to consensus. Evolution implies only: that which is good at reproducing itself is here because it is good at reproducing itself, and there's no other measure or value that applies. Is that why there are so many bunny holes?
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