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Post by zendancer on Aug 22, 2013 13:11:49 GMT -5
Andrew Cohen is not far away. Why don't you look inside yourself and meet him face to face? Then you can ask him whatever questions still remain. I don't understand what you mean here. You fuss about people outside yourself, and you don't even know who YOU are. In the Gospel of Luke Jesus is reported to have said, "The Kingdom is within you." In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus is reported to have said: "If your leaders say that the Kingdom is in the sky, then the birds will precede you. If they say that the Kingdom is in the sea, then the fish will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you....." He is also reported to have said, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and female one and the same....then will you enter the Kingdom." "Take heed of the Living One while you are alive, lest you die and seek to see Him and be unable to do so." "I am He who exists from the Undivided." ..after a man asked Jesus to tell his brothers to divide his father's possessions with him, Jesus turned to his disciples and said, "I'm not a divider am I?" Tung-shan said, "If you look for the truth outside yourself, it gets farther and farther away." Before throwing stones, find out who the stone-thrower is. |
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Post by silver on Aug 22, 2013 13:17:19 GMT -5
They will probably be kind and generous. A lot better than me. Probably very thoughtful, and caring, gentle, considerate, brave, fearless actually. I could probably write a long list. An awful lot of common people are like that. the meek shall inherit the earth |
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Post by freejoy on Aug 22, 2013 13:21:51 GMT -5
I don't understand what you mean here. You fuss about people outside yourself, and you don't even know who YOU are. In the Gospel of Luke Jesus is reported to have said, "The Kingdom is within you." In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus is reported to have said: "If your leaders say that the Kingdom is in the sky, then the birds will precede you. If they say that the Kingdom is in the sea, then the fish will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you....." He is also reported to have said, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and female one and the same....then will you enter the Kingdom." "Take heed of the Living One while you are alive, lest you die and seek to see Him and be unable to do so." "I am He who exists from the Undivided." ..after a man asked Jesus to tell his brothers to divide his father's possessions with him, Jesus turned to his disciples and said, "I'm not a divider am I?" Tung-shan said, "If you look for the truth outside yourself, it gets farther and farther away." Before throwing stones, find out who the stone-thrower is. I know. I do what I can. I do my practices which are not like regular "practices" of observing the awareness, focusing on objects and these things happen spontaneously a lot. I seem to be able to stop my thoughts. But I only see what is there which is the same as any other time. I don't understand why it has to be prolonged to a week which is almost impossible. My issue with greed is overwhelming sometimes and with the God joke (which I understand is not literal). So all I can do is wait. And keep doing my practice. I don't understand why God would have me be special and others not. |
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Post by freejoy on Aug 22, 2013 13:23:52 GMT -5
They will probably be kind and generous. A lot better than me. Probably very thoughtful, and caring, gentle, considerate, brave, fearless actually. I could probably write a long list. An awful lot of common people are like that. the meek shall inherit the earth Yes, meek would be in there too, but it's hard to define. Also, an enlightened person could become fiercely angry but it wouldn't be uncontrolled but allowed to express. |
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Post by silver on Aug 22, 2013 13:27:15 GMT -5
An awful lot of common people are like that. the meek shall inherit the earth Yes, meek would be in there too, but it's hard to define. Also, an enlightened person could become fiercely angry but it wouldn't be uncontrolled but allowed to express. Yes, I understand what you're saying. I think a good overall definition of meek in this context would be those who keep their thoughts/emotions in check - including arrogance. People who know they don't know everything, and are generous with what they have, stuff like that. |
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Post by freejoy on Aug 22, 2013 13:30:00 GMT -5
Yes, meek would be in there too, but it's hard to define. Also, an enlightened person could become fiercely angry but it wouldn't be uncontrolled but allowed to express. Yes, I understand what you're saying. I think a good overall definition of meek in this context would be those who keep their thoughts/emotions in check - including arrogance. People who know they don't know everything, and are generous with what they have, stuff like that. See the thing about it is I can choose to see things in many different ways. I shoot first and ask questions later.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 13:59:03 GMT -5
You fuss about people outside yourself, and you don't even know who YOU are. In the Gospel of Luke Jesus is reported to have said, "The Kingdom is within you." In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus is reported to have said: "If your leaders say that the Kingdom is in the sky, then the birds will precede you. If they say that the Kingdom is in the sea, then the fish will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you....." He is also reported to have said, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and female one and the same....then will you enter the Kingdom." "Take heed of the Living One while you are alive, lest you die and seek to see Him and be unable to do so." "I am He who exists from the Undivided." ..after a man asked Jesus to tell his brothers to divide his father's possessions with him, Jesus turned to his disciples and said, "I'm not a divider am I?" Tung-shan said, "If you look for the truth outside yourself, it gets farther and farther away." Before throwing stones, find out who the stone-thrower is. I know. I do what I can. I do my practices which are not like regular "practices" of observing the awareness, focusing on objects and these things happen spontaneously a lot. I seem to be able to stop my thoughts. But I only see what is there which is the same as any other time. I don't understand why it has to be prolonged to a week which is almost impossible. My issue with greed is overwhelming sometimes and with the God joke (which I understand is not literal). So all I can do is wait. And keep doing my practice. I don't understand why God would have me be special and others not. You're not special, sorry. |
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Post by silver on Aug 22, 2013 14:08:00 GMT -5
You know, I don't like not being special, so I say everybody's special, heh..  I've known a person or two who say that some are special snowflakes with such sarcasm - with such venom, I stand back. So, I'm cynical but not to that degree. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 22, 2013 14:13:15 GMT -5
By their fruits and nuts thee shall know them, but dost thou whoweth fruits and nuts when thou seeth it? Mostly selfless sacrifice. Which greed isn't. Fruits and nuts come in many forms. Self sacrifice is one of them. Teaching truth for a modest income is another. Being a person of integrity is another. I agree that greed is not on the list, but your perception of what that means may be different from mine. You appear to have an agenda, and agendas distort perception. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 22, 2013 14:14:02 GMT -5
Only thing it's hard to tell because they don't tell about it. True. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 22, 2013 14:24:46 GMT -5
You fuss about people outside yourself, and you don't even know who YOU are. In the Gospel of Luke Jesus is reported to have said, "The Kingdom is within you." In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus is reported to have said: "If your leaders say that the Kingdom is in the sky, then the birds will precede you. If they say that the Kingdom is in the sea, then the fish will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you....." He is also reported to have said, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and female one and the same....then will you enter the Kingdom." "Take heed of the Living One while you are alive, lest you die and seek to see Him and be unable to do so." "I am He who exists from the Undivided." ..after a man asked Jesus to tell his brothers to divide his father's possessions with him, Jesus turned to his disciples and said, "I'm not a divider am I?" Tung-shan said, "If you look for the truth outside yourself, it gets farther and farther away." Before throwing stones, find out who the stone-thrower is. I know. I do what I can. I do my practices which are not like regular "practices" of observing the awareness, focusing on objects and these things happen spontaneously a lot. I seem to be able to stop my thoughts. But I only see what is there which is the same as any other time. I don't understand why it has to be prolonged to a week which is almost impossible. My issue with greed is overwhelming sometimes and with the God joke (which I understand is not literal). So all I can do is wait. And keep doing my practice. I don't understand why God would have me be special and others not. If you would let go of that personal God story, a lot of the confounding questions would go away. |
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Post by freejoy on Aug 22, 2013 14:28:34 GMT -5
I know. I do what I can. I do my practices which are not like regular "practices" of observing the awareness, focusing on objects and these things happen spontaneously a lot. I seem to be able to stop my thoughts. But I only see what is there which is the same as any other time. I don't understand why it has to be prolonged to a week which is almost impossible. My issue with greed is overwhelming sometimes and with the God joke (which I understand is not literal). So all I can do is wait. And keep doing my practice. I don't understand why God would have me be special and others not. You're not special, sorry. I know I'm not special, I'm very uncomfortable when people start making me special. I practical run away. I don't know why. I can see how acting special might be a sacrifice. Like Jesus in certain ways. I know everything is according to context which the ego can't know completely. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 22, 2013 14:29:35 GMT -5
You know, I don't like not being special, so I say everybody's special, heh.. I've known a person or two who say that some are special snowflakes with such sarcasm - with such venom, I stand back. So, I'm cynical but not to that degree. And I say the whole issue of specialness is misconceived, I just don't say it to Bengst.  |
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Post by enigma on Aug 22, 2013 14:33:20 GMT -5
You're not special, sorry. I know I'm not special, I'm very uncomfortable when people start making me special. I practical run away. I don't know why. I can see how acting special might be a sacrifice. Like Jesus in certain ways. I know everything is according to context which the ego can't know completely. You severely judge others for any hint of specialness or selfishness, so you reject any notion that you may be special or deserving. |
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Post by freejoy on Aug 22, 2013 14:33:41 GMT -5
I know. I do what I can. I do my practices which are not like regular "practices" of observing the awareness, focusing on objects and these things happen spontaneously a lot. I seem to be able to stop my thoughts. But I only see what is there which is the same as any other time. I don't understand why it has to be prolonged to a week which is almost impossible. My issue with greed is overwhelming sometimes and with the God joke (which I understand is not literal). So all I can do is wait. And keep doing my practice. I don't understand why God would have me be special and others not. If you would let go of that personal God story, a lot of the confounding questions would go away. Well I'll run out of things to talk about. I might as well talk about greed How am I going to allow the wave function to work if I don't have anything to talk about? |
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