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Post by silver on Aug 21, 2013 21:19:36 GMT -5
what the hey, nobody's having a serious discussion here - why point the finger at me?! Wasn't about you hun'. It was actually a reference to this. oh. that's different. i've been calling peeps hun the past couple days - it's cool
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Post by enigma on Aug 21, 2013 21:22:54 GMT -5
Right. (Meaning 'correct') K, thanks. Who' K? Juuuuuuust kidding.
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Post by enigma on Aug 21, 2013 21:24:30 GMT -5
Shhhh! ... you never know when one might break out all of a sudden! what the hey, nobody's having a serious discussion here - why point the finger at me?! Who's pointing the finger at you?
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Post by silver on Aug 21, 2013 21:27:07 GMT -5
what the hey, nobody's having a serious discussion here - why point the finger at me?! Who's pointing the finger at you? um, my mistake, i guess.
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Post by Reefs on Aug 21, 2013 21:40:58 GMT -5
Yup. Verby seems be trashing the forum like Tath did back then. He seems to be of the "fight fire with fire" rather than "lead by example" school of thought, but it's become more of a scorched earth policy than using a controlled burn to create fire breaks. He's become what he's fighting against. What he does seems pretty deranged. He sees someone mentioning 'Reefs' and goes totally ballistic. He's filled to the brim with anger. In the past, as Living, he was more the teasing/mocking kind of a fellow who did a lot of quote dropping but at least it was somehow content related and no one knew that he was just stealing quotes anyway. As Heterodox he turned more into a troll especially since 'back then in January' when his numerous previous incarnations had been made public and when it was shown that he was just copy and pasting Deepak Chopra all along and selling it as his own musings. Since then and especially as Verbed he's the embodiment of a psychotic troll. What he does at the moment is exactly what Tath did back then. It got worse after Andrew couldn't talk away his contradictions and misinterpretations anymore. He's on some kind of revenge path now, fighting those who say something 'bad' about his online friends. So it isn't a surprise that he went totally bonkers again after it has been made clear that his other forum friend, Faye, can't tell fact from fiction either and and is showing a little more than just a touch of insanity with her web of lies and contradictions. So that's what I basically see happening: Andrew's friends, Faye, Silver, Verbed are here to help out each other. Faye once said that she's here for camaraderie among other things. But it was on top of her 'priority list'. When it has been shown over and over again that Andrew was misinterpreting Niz and constantly contradicting himself, there was no word from either Silver, Verbed or Faye to Andrew about his blatant contradictions and misconceptions. Quite the contrary, Faye used every opportunity possible to create distractions by posting more stuff from emails to divert attention from Andrew. Verby did exactly the same just recently again when Faye still couldn't provide a link to back up her claims from 2 months ago. His comment to Enigma that "Reefs bailed on him" says it all what kind of mindset he has. It's club mentality, alliance and allegiance which is projected onto others. I'd say if Silver, Verby and Faye would be alone here on their own and wouldn't cheer themselves up constantly, there wouldn't be so many derailed threads. Threads would actually be much shorter without having to address or circumvent their group distractions which are mostly character assassinations. Without the cheering and only the facts to look at, it would be clear immediately what's going on.
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Post by Reefs on Aug 21, 2013 21:53:50 GMT -5
How long did that split last? A month? It's not wanted, really. It just was the result of some silly projections of some silly folks. If you look at it now, who is the most abusive? The alleged mockers or those who felt the need to quarantine them? That forum split was insanity in action. That insanity is just a reflection of humanity and human social interaction in general. I know your position on this as an inherently buggy forum but I've found it a fun, interesting and rewarding place to contribute and value the correspondence I've had here in the last year+. As I've said before, my guess is the moderation that I suggest would result in a some level of inauthenticity in the content subject to moderation but I certainly respect ZD's vision for a space for that content with less derogatory personally directed subject matter. In the meantime, there's always his suggestion of self-moderation by consensus. Now there are several factors that make this a challenge and the two biggest I see are: 1) the tradition here of complete acceptance of thread hijacking and letting the conversation develop organically ... and 2) the fact that those unconscious of generating the content that ZD regards as clutter aren't in a position to recognize when they initiate this type of content. I'd say that even before the split, this type of self-moderation was in play. Andy for instance, seemed to make a point this last time around of keeping his challenges to anyone else based on clarity and level of understanding to the one thread, and even alluded to that discipline in the conversation. The split just gives us an additional option to exercise this discipline and I've used it for that purpose in a few obvious instances already. I'd say the hijacking of threads and such and even name calling is okay to a certain extent. However, if that's the only thing that certain members come here for, I'd say some mod action is required.
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Post by Reefs on Aug 21, 2013 21:56:36 GMT -5
Talk about swimming in illusion. Now THAT'S an eye roll. Hehe. Maybe even an eel-smile. Hehe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 21:57:39 GMT -5
And anyone who wants to give me sh!t for calling Silver "hun'" obviously never spent time working in the food service industry so that can go .... words are never it
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Post by Reefs on Aug 21, 2013 21:58:32 GMT -5
Right. (Meaning 'correct') K, thanks. Who is 'K'?
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Post by enigma on Aug 21, 2013 21:58:54 GMT -5
Now THAT'S an eye roll. Hehe. Maybe even an eel-smile. Hehe. Oh, yeah, there's a fish mouth thang goin on too.
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Post by Reefs on Aug 21, 2013 21:59:39 GMT -5
K, thanks. Who' K? Juuuuuuust kidding. Just asked the same, haha. Bengst's communication skills...
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Post by enigma on Aug 21, 2013 21:59:49 GMT -5
K, thanks. Who is 'K'? HA!
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Post by enigma on Aug 21, 2013 22:02:33 GMT -5
Who' K? Juuuuuuust kidding. Just asked the same, haha. Bengst's communication skills... If he would just be clear instead of always trying to mindf*ck everybody.
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Post by Reefs on Aug 21, 2013 22:03:35 GMT -5
Maybe even an eel-smile. Hehe. Oh, yeah, there's a fish mouth thang goin on too. We don't even have to spin much on this one. Okay, enough with distractions, back to Bengst stealing nuclear weapons for aliens. He first admitted it and then denied it in a PM from 15 years ago. That was the actual story here. I wonder what he was thinking when he sent me that PM...
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Post by silver on Aug 21, 2013 22:03:50 GMT -5
He seems to be of the "fight fire with fire" rather than "lead by example" school of thought, but it's become more of a scorched earth policy than using a controlled burn to create fire breaks. He's become what he's fighting against. What he does seems pretty deranged. He sees someone mentioning 'Reefs' and goes totally ballistic. He's filled to the brim with anger. In the past, as Living, he was more the teasing/mocking kind of a fellow who did a lot of quote dropping but at least it was somehow content related and no one knew that he was just stealing quotes anyway. As Heterodox he turned more into a troll especially since 'back then in January' when his numerous previous incarnations had been made public and when it was shown that he was just copy and pasting Deepak Chopra all along and selling it as his own musings. Since then and especially as Verbed he's the embodiment of a psychotic troll. What he does at the moment is exactly what Tath did back then. It got worse after Andrew couldn't talk away his contradictions and misinterpretations anymore. He's on some kind of revenge path now, fighting those who say something 'bad' about his online friends. So it isn't a surprise that he went totally bonkers again after it has been made clear that his other forum friend, Faye, can't tell fact from fiction either and and is showing a little more than just a touch of insanity with her web of lies and contradictions. So that's what I basically see happening: Andrew's friends, Faye, Silver, Verbed are here to help out each other. Faye once said that she's here for camaraderie among other things. But it was on top of her 'priority list'. When it has been shown over and over again that Andrew was misinterpreting Niz and constantly contradicting himself, there was no word from either Silver, Verbed or Faye to Andrew about his blatant contradictions and misconceptions. Quite the contrary, Faye used every opportunity possible to create distractions by posting more stuff from emails to divert attention from Andrew. Verby did exactly the same just recently again when Faye still couldn't provide a link to back up her claims from 2 months ago. His comment to Enigma that "Reefs bailed on him" says it all what kind of mindset he has. It's club mentality, alliance and allegiance which is projected onto others. I'd say if Silver, Verby and Faye would be alone here on their own and wouldn't cheer themselves up constantly, there wouldn't be so many derailed threads. Threads would actually be much shorter without having to address or circumvent their group distractions which are mostly character assassinations. Without the cheering and only the facts to look at, it would be clear immediately what's going on. You would've been just happy as a pig in slop, if this forum had remained the man cave that it was when I arrived, but it didn't so you're unhappy and you just hammered away - with plenty of help - at those who disturbed your set-up. You couldn't have gotten any luckier than to land here, where you found you could have the run of the place and you settled in right quick. I'll bet your eyes are brown.
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