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Post by silver on Aug 7, 2013 20:29:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I honestly am at a loss for words. This is too much for me. Would someone please point out the obvious to him? 'too much' an 'me' are great places to begin with understanding the obvious. I love you, alfio but Eppur si muove is light years ahead of many of us. In this instance, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 20:53:06 GMT -5
and any bond trader worth his salt knows that a rising tide lifts all boats I'm not a bond trader, and not even sure if I'm worth my salt, but I see the rising tide lifts all boats thing as a myth. Most folks don't have boats. Most peeps live close to the water and a rising tide just means lots of flooding. And, as we've seen, if the incentive is just to increase one's share of bonds, the whole ocean can go whacko at any moment. I'm for forcible acquisition of all yachts and equal distribution. unfortunately the seas tides don't all rise at the same time showing us a uniting picture picture of the whole. Demi-Gods need to put all people before profit not just the monkeys they've trained.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 20:56:29 GMT -5
'too much' an 'me' are great places to begin with understanding the obvious. I love you, alfio but Eppur si muove is light years ahead of many of us. In this instance, anyway. another alien on the planet is welcome. He may help the Govts with their headaches.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 22:03:44 GMT -5
Jesus Loves prostitutes... because they had the Power to Heal. They taught him a thing or two so that he could expand his ministry and accommodate healing!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 0:30:57 GMT -5
What Jesu was taught by his prostitutes was that the life force begins at ones sexual centre, possibly even lower(maybe woman can add to this) They showed Jesu, that by culturing the life force creatively, violence was eliminated from the Men(an women) an that if one was able to stay with the life force during sex, not only was sex more uniting, but the life force could rise up as high as the brain an heal biased thought, thought that allowed killing to have its way with the Romans an their Enemies. They showed Jesu, that killing an hatred was simply lack of understanding the life-force...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 2:15:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 2:26:57 GMT -5
'too much' an 'me' are great places to begin with understanding the obvious. I love you, alfio but Eppur si muove is light years ahead of many of us. In this instance, anyway. So why does he keep telling everyone that he is an ordinary person?
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 8, 2013 4:40:16 GMT -5
What Jesu was taught by his prostitutes was that the life force begins at ones sexual centre, possibly even lower(maybe woman can add to this) They showed Jesu, that by culturing the life force creatively, violence was eliminated from the Men(an women) an that if one was able to stay with the life force during sex, not only was sex more uniting, but the life force could rise up as high as the brain an heal biased thought, thought that allowed killing to have its way with the Romans an their Enemies. They showed Jesu, that killing an hatred was simply lack of understanding the life-force... Is that from the bible? I sure would love to read it. Hell, they should make a porn movie of it, if they haven't already. I might even pay money for that. But it shouldn't be too historically accurate, I don't want to see ugly, hairy, dirty midgets with rotten teeth going at it.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 8, 2013 4:41:34 GMT -5
It's retarded to point out that the trader and the farmer are both human beings with the same intrinsic worth that that denotes? Fúck you. You said, and I quote: "the definition of wealth is arbitrary. Who is more needy -- the NY bond trader who wakes up everyday at 4AM and spends his day on a floor getting an ulcer for the sake of his next half mil or some farmer in East Bumfuk that's satisfied with his lot?" lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 5:35:09 GMT -5
Marx is indeed the second most important philosopher of all time. Hegel is number one. I'm not really knowledgeable enough to have an intelligent conversation with you about this .. but I find economic theory to be interesting, and I have some opinions ... China and Russia proved that communism wont work, correct? And as Margaret Thatcher said, “Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people’s money. It’s quite characteristic of them.”, so socialism is basically flawed, right? So that leaves capitalism, which inherently 'should work', except it seems that wealth will eventually consolidate in to too few of hands. doesn't all of it really just come down to "fear and greed"; which is impossible to legislate against?
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 8, 2013 7:20:19 GMT -5
Marx is indeed the second most important philosopher of all time. Hegel is number one. China and Russia proved that communism wont work, correct? What failed is their particular form of communism. We have to learn from our mistakes and try again. Right now we have Bolivia, Ecuador, Cuba, Venezuela, etc and it's not looking bad for them despite the capitalist countries constantly sabotaging them. Every morning when I read the German mainstream news there is always at least one propaganda article making fun of them. Never forget the situation after WW2, the Soviets lost 12% of its population, mostly healthy young males, the country was devastated. The Soviets were the ones who suffered the most, they were the ones who won the war for the west. The resurrection of the USSR after the war and its rise to world power is a historical miracle and can't be overestimated. Compare this to US who lost only 400,000 and after the war could dictate terms for everything. And never forget the cold war, which was not only a war of military but also a war of economy. Imagine where Russia would be today if it had equal access to markets and if it had economic partners as strong as the US did. And never ever forget the price for the pretty side of global capitalism, namely all the exploited third world countries and all the dictators that are supported by the US. For this reason it is wrong to say that capitalism is a success. Thatcher stands for one of the worst things about capitalism, her deregulation is a catastrophy for the workers. In most countries that applied her reforms the GDP continued to rise (same as it would have even without her reforms), but the wage of the workers remained flat, the wealth of the rich however continued to increase. Her reforms were simply a mechanism to distribute wealth from bottom to top. What she said about socialism is pure and simple propaganda and ideology. No, that's the point, capitalism is inherently flawed. Left to its own devices it is destructive for people and will produce total monopoly. Without strict regulation capitalism is simply organised theft by way of unfair contracts. When government runs on capitalism then it is simply institutionalized theft. And post 2008 events have clearly showed that it doesn't even respect its own ideology, when the super rich are threatened then the government takes the money of the poor to bail them out, that's the big scandal of post 2008. What we witness today in the media is massive propaganda to justify this injustice and blatant contradiction of capitalism. Socialism is sabotaged for the poor, but fully employed for the super rich. The theory of capitalism is just that, those who understand it don't actually respect it as an ideology, what they are interested in in the mechanism of capitalism is the part that allows them to extract profit from other people's work, and if this opportunity is threatened then the ideology will be adjusted so that the opportunity remains. The most worrying thing now is the Chinese model of capitalism. The assumption was that without democracy people would reject capitalism, both were always sold together, the idea was that capitalism is not possible without democracy. China proved this model wrong, it proved that capitalism is even more efficient without democracy, this insight will have devastating long-term effects on all capitalist societies. Of course you can legislate against it. Make laws and enforce them. And if the laws are too weak then make stronger ones. We already have laws against corruption, but they are used only against the small people, while the super rich get away with it. Educate the children, make them aware that class struggle is a real and urgent concern. When they finish school they have no understanding at all about what kind of system they live in, the best they can do is recite the propaganda.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 8:01:38 GMT -5
interesting post. thanks... I live in the States, and I've been watching the obscene actions of the American government for over forty years now. The ridiculous war on drugs and 'terror', the interventionism overseas, the propaganda, the police state, the crooks and con men like Summers, Rubin, Dimon ... and on and on. And its pretty much the same story worldwide, just one look at a Bilderberger list of attendees will tell you who owns and rules the world. But the masses are mostly oblivious to the nuts and bolts of how the status quo is maintained, most of them just want for the trains to run on time, and enough money to feed their families. I do not see how your dream of equity and tranquility will come to be. World history is littered with tales of Kings and strong men, and the sheep that they tend. Change happens slowly, over the course of many lifetimes; or all of a sudden, as was the case with the French revolution, which only occurred because a critical mass of poverty and injustice created a "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" moment. So what? they got Robespierre instead.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 8, 2013 8:19:05 GMT -5
I do not see how your dream of equity and tranquility will come to be. But we did have the Soviet Union. We do have the Latin American socialist axis. Don't ignore them. Change is not easy, but it is certainly possible. All the talk about impossibility is propaganda. So much of what was unimaginable just recently is possible now, and in many contexts we put no cap on what is possible, we seriously contemplate eternal life made possible by science, everything is permitted in sexuality, our computers are so powerful that soon we will have holodecks like in Star Trek, we have space stations, we have atom bombs, etc. But for some reason in politics when you demand that there should be guaranteed healthcare for everyone, or a minimum wage etc, they instantly say that it's impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 8:39:29 GMT -5
I do not see how your dream of equity and tranquility will come to be. But we did have the Soviet Union. We do have the Latin American socialist axis. Don't ignore them. Change is not easy, but it is certainly possible. All the talk about impossibility is propaganda. So much of what was unimaginable just recently is possible now, and in many contexts we put no cap on what is possible, we seriously contemplate eternal life made possible by science, everything is permitted in sexuality, our computers are so powerful that soon we will have holodecks like in Star Trek, we have space stations, we have atom bombs, etc. But for some reason in politics when you demand that there should be guaranteed healthcare for everyone, or a minimum wage etc, they instantly say that it's impossible. Didn't you hear? History is OVER. There is no alternative. yada yada. One of the problems is that Mass Media is driven by the same rules. Though if you look in the nooks and crannies and ignore headlines and soundbites you can find good stuff. For example, there's a good series going on in the NYT this year on health care prices. A hip replacement in the US costs $100k whereas in Belgium it costs $13k. The reason is because Belgium regulates the costs of the parts and doesn't nickle and dime patients with lab fees and OR fees and on and on. Using the OR to replace a hip is part of the package in Belgium (duh!). Why do hospitals charge these fees in the US? Because they are driven by the bottom line. And because we have layers and layers of middlemen paying the bills (and getting a cut for their 'services') these horrendous prices are not rebelled against. So we get half-a$$ed Obamacare, which mandates that folks use private healthcare among other things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 8:53:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I honestly am at a loss for words. This is too much for me. Would someone please point out the obvious to him? What's obvious is what top pointed out -- the definition of wealth is arbitrary. Who is more needy -- the NY bond trader who wakes up everyday at 4AM and spends his day on a floor getting an ulcer for the sake of his next half mil or some farmer in East Bumfuk that's satisfied with his lot? Even conceiving of the question is TMT. The definition of wealth and neediness depends on the context it is being used. I wouldn't call it arbitrary. The NY bond trader may be enduring more psychological/emotional/spiritual suffering on his yacht drinking from a bottle of rum than the farmer satisfied with his lot. A farmer 'satisfied with his lot' implies that he feels secure at meeting his basic needs and perhaps satisfied with his craft as well. It's not the most accurate example, IMO. It'd be better to choose someone in the bottom 80% who wonders if his/her basic needs will be met when they retire or next month or something. In the US, health care expenses are the leading cause of home foreclosure. If you happen to get sick you can lose your house and more.
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