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Post by topology on Jul 28, 2013 12:02:40 GMT -5
You know that you are a jerk, and that is why I blocked you the first day I was on this forum. This is me being polite and telling you to mind your own business and stay the hell out of mine. The self proclaimed not a very nice person calling another an not a very nice person? Sounds like Tzu has you by the short hairs of the scrotum. At this point I'd say, just shower him with gold. Gimped by the profanity filter. Not-a-very-nice-person == a.ss.hole |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 28, 2013 12:21:43 GMT -5
The question is desire to be liberated from what? As for me, I reached a point that I was sick and tired of myself. I wanted to be liberated from myself, without being so drastic as committing suicide, or detaching like a zombie. I just got tired of all my stories -- the victim ones AND the more pleasant ones. Good question. I've asked myself this and the honest answer seems to come from wanting to be free of conflict within. To be at peace with whatever may arise and to live as authentically as possible. I don't know what I want and I want to know what I want. On the spiritual journey we all (to be qualified later) operate from a certain map. Previous to the journey we operate from ego, its wants, needs and desires. Some get tired of these and look for more meaning in life, thus begins the spiritual journey. In the beginning we may not know what we wish, we just stumble around looking at different paths, keep saying, not this, not that. Something internal gives direction, we may have a goal, an aim. Some eventually find an agreeable path and stick with it, and that becomes our map (it might be Buddhism, Zen, Tibetan Buddhism, Kabbalah, J. Krishnamurti(sm), Taoism, Esoteric Christianity, mysticism.....etc.......non-duality)..... Sometimes the map gives a peek at what's next, a direction. But in any path you (individually, subjectively) come to a border, beyond which you know nothing of. We are essentially 'turned loose' again, and must fall back upon what's inside to give direction. In the beginning, all spiritual practice is really about taking the energy out of ego. When this stage has ended, or is close to being ended, we have taken the energy out of ego's drives and desires. It may or may not be the case that some here have described this as 'the end of the journey, the end of seeking'. This may be seen as "The End", period. It's a wonderful thing to actually get rid of ego, that is, the strings controlling the marionette anyway. It really is a form of liberation (but may-be, or maybe not-be the end of the journey). This seems to be your stage of "I don't know what I want and I want to know what I want". Now, for me, this is a very dangerous stage. This stage is like the guy who was banging his head on the sidewalk and a passerby asked him why in the world was he doing that? His reply: because it feels good when I stop. Cutting the strings of the marionette is like the stopping of beating your head on the sidewalk. But the good feeling, the bliss of liberation is not the end of the journey. Now, nobody here might believe that non-duality actually has a map, but it does. I call it conceptual non-dualism. For me, the end of searching might not be the end of the journey, but the end of ego's seeking (having taken the energy out of ego's drives). So in a real sense, the journey is just beginning. Here I will go back and qualify the first sentence, the "we all". For those who stop the journey here there is a real ending of the use of maps, they believe there can be no further need of nor even a possibility of further maps. Whether this is the case or not, has to be decided individually. You, jazz, may decide, come to realize that you don't want or need anything else.......or you may follow your inner compass and keep looking for the next stage of the journey. I would just say, don't suppress this "I don't know what I want and I want to know what I want". Sometimes everything that you are is in a question like this, everything. And when this is the case, it is the seed of the next stage of the journey. Just keep this question. If I am right, you will formulate a new aim out of the question and it will be a compass for the next stage of the journey. What do you wish? .......Now, if it's just an ego-question, and ego-drive, it will just keep you on the "squirrel-cage". ........but I think you are .......maybe........beyond that......... Keep it simple, what do I want? sdp |
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Post by silence on Jul 28, 2013 12:31:28 GMT -5
You know that you are a jerk, and that is why I blocked you the first day I was on this forum. This is me being polite and telling you to mind your own business and stay the hell out of mine. The self proclaimed not a very nice person calling another an not a very nice person? Sounds like Tzu has you by the short hairs of the scrotum. At this point I'd say, just shower him with gold. Haha, I almost choked on what I was eating. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 28, 2013 12:35:32 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Hi Ish: First, let go of your cultural prejudices.. As far as letting go of 'knowing', we can't "unring that bell".. our experiences and our 'knowledge' are integrated into who/what we are.. the common application of the 'knowledge' is that it is the standard against which the very organic and fluid happening of Life creating itself is judged, 'knowledge' becomes the lens through which we see Life and our own relationship with what 'is'.. 'letting go', for me, moans to release 'knowledge' and belief, to set it aside and be fully present and intensely attentive to what is actually happening.. if we can actually release our dependence on 'knowledge and belief', the resonance between our personal history of existence and what is actually happening evokes relationship with the moment that is uniquely our own without altering the authenticity of what is happening.. Be well.. You know that you are a jerk, and that is why I blocked you the first day I was on this forum. This is me being polite and telling you to mind your own business and stay the hell out of mine. Excellent, then block me and STFU.. you're only interested in parading around your wannabe Native American ego.. pfft, scurry away into the forest of your beliefs, you're not interested in reality.. Be well.. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 28, 2013 12:36:33 GMT -5
Greetings.. The self proclaimed not a very nice person calling another an not a very nice person? Sounds like Tzu has you by the short hairs of the scrotum. At this point I'd say, just shower him with gold. Haha, I almost choked on what I was eating. Makes me wonder what you were 'eating'.. Be well.. |
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Post by laughter on Jul 28, 2013 12:42:20 GMT -5
You know that you are a jerk, and that is why I blocked you the first day I was on this forum. This is me being polite and telling you to mind your own business and stay the hell out of mine. The self proclaimed not a very nice person calling another an not a very nice person? Sounds like Tzu has you by the short hairs of the scrotum. At this point I'd say, just shower him with gold. |
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Post by silver on Jul 28, 2013 12:42:27 GMT -5
I - don't - know - any of you people.....  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 28, 2013 12:52:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. You know that you are a jerk, and that is why I blocked you the first day I was on this forum. This is me being polite and telling you to mind your own business and stay the hell out of mine. Excellent, then block me and STFU.. you're only interested in parading around your wannabe Native American ego.. pfft, scurry away into the forest of your beliefs, you're not interested in reality.. Be well.. ..........I really should stay out of this.........but.....pot, kettle, black, projection, shadow........and vice-versa......... sdp |
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Post by silence on Jul 28, 2013 12:59:28 GMT -5
Greetings.. Haha, I almost choked on what I was eating. Makes me wonder what you were 'eating'.. Be well.. Why? |
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Post by silence on Jul 28, 2013 13:00:48 GMT -5
Greetings.. You know that you are a jerk, and that is why I blocked you the first day I was on this forum. This is me being polite and telling you to mind your own business and stay the hell out of mine. Excellent, then block me and STFU.. you're only interested in parading around your wannabe Native American ego.. pfft, scurry away into the forest of your beliefs, you're not interested in reality.. Be well.. Is this you being still and reporting what is? |
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Post by topology on Jul 28, 2013 13:12:34 GMT -5
The self proclaimed not a very nice person calling another an not a very nice person? Sounds like Tzu has you by the short hairs of the scrotum. At this point I'd say, just shower him with gold. I heard Pacific Rim wasn't terrible, but I expected more originality from Guillermo del Toro than a Godzilla clone. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 28, 2013 13:18:55 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Excellent, then block me and STFU.. you're only interested in parading around your wannabe Native American ego.. pfft, scurry away into the forest of your beliefs, you're not interested in reality.. Be well.. Is this you being still and reporting what is? Yes.. Be well.. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 28, 2013 13:20:35 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Makes me wonder what you were 'eating'.. Be well.. Why? LOL.. Sounds like you might be choking on a golden shower.. Be well.. |
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 28, 2013 13:23:32 GMT -5
The question is desire to be liberated from what? As for me, I reached a point that I was sick and tired of myself. I wanted to be liberated from myself, without being so drastic as committing suicide, or detaching like a zombie. I just got tired of all my stories -- the victim ones AND the more pleasant ones. Good question. I've asked myself this and the honest answer seems to come from wanting to be free of conflict within. To be at peace with whatever may arise and to live as authentically as possible.
I don't know what I want and I want to know what I want. Yeah, I understand that feeling, and very well! Can you look back on your life and see occasions when life provided exactly what you needed, wanted, and desired, without having an "I" specify and dictate what that might look like? A time when maybe you found yourself giddy over the realization that "this is exactly what I wanted/needed, yet it came in a 'package' that is beyond anything I could ever have imagined for myself"? It could be something little, like having a food craving and not being able to identify the exact type of food you are craving, only to have someone show up at your door with a gift of food that perfectly meets the craving. Or it could be something bigger, like meeting a "soul mate" who didn't fit your preconceived checklist of requirements in a mate. Or not knowing what sort of work might make you happiest, only to have a project land in your lap that is just perfect.. or maybe you come down with an illness, right at a time when what you needed most was a chance to sleep a lot and drop out of the rat race for awhile... What I'm suggesting is to consider developing an eye for noticing how what you want or need is right there before you, in your life right here and now. It always is. |
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Post by silence on Jul 28, 2013 13:23:33 GMT -5
Greetings.. Is this you being still and reporting what is? Yes.. Be well.. You do realize I can't take anything you say from this point on even remotely serious right? |
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