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Post by amit on Jul 12, 2013 13:03:33 GMT -5
Hi Jacobisreal, Understood. Thanks. Worrying about past or future concerns does not cause more suffering for me. I assume my mind is on the case for a reason and let it do its thing. For me mind is useful. I accept however that for others there is a desire to stop the mind worrying. I trust it including while its worrying:) It has more experience than me (whoever I am:) Is it a problem for you to have to try and overcome the mind worrying? Welcome to the forum. amit Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2900#ixzz2Yr6lyJfj |
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Post by amit on Jul 12, 2013 13:04:16 GMT -5
Hi tzu, Wouldn't it be great if there was nothing other than the present moment. One would not have to worry about whether one was in it or not:) Would it not also be a burden to be concerned about whether one was experiencing the quality of the moment? I guess it depends on the character. For amit it would be a terrible burden. How about for you? Can you say something about the experience or what ever term you use for it? How difficult is it for you to experience the quality of the moment? Do you regard it as a practice, if so what's involved in that practice? amit Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2900#ixzz2Yr77fbFY |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 12, 2013 13:20:09 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi tzu, Wouldn't it be great if there was nothing other than the present moment. One would not have to worry about whether one was in it or not:) Would it not also be a burden to be concerned about whether one was experiencing the quality of the moment? I guess it depends on the character. For amit it would be a terrible burden. How about for you? Can you say something about the experience or what ever term you use for it? How difficult is it for you to experience the quality of the moment? Do you regard it as a practice, if so what's involved in that practice? amit Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2900#ixzz2Yr77fbFYHi Amit: i think we all understand what it is to be less than our potential, that diminishes the quality of 'my' experience/existence.. when i am less attentive, less present, less compassionate, less clearly aware.. those are some of the conditions that, if i am honest with myself, diminishes the quality of 'my' existence.. Be well.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 13:50:23 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi tzu, Wouldn't it be great if there was nothing other than the present moment. One would not have to worry about whether one was in it or not:) Would it not also be a burden to be concerned about whether one was experiencing the quality of the moment? I guess it depends on the character. For amit it would be a terrible burden. How about for you? Can you say something about the experience or what ever term you use for it? How difficult is it for you to experience the quality of the moment? Do you regard it as a practice, if so what's involved in that practice? amit Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2900#ixzz2Yr77fbFYHi Amit: i think we all understand what it is to be less than our potential, that diminishes the quality of 'my' experience/existence.. when i am less attentive, less present, less compassionate, less clearly aware.. those are some of the conditions that, if i am honest with myself, diminishes the quality of 'my' existence.. Be well.. Any and all desire, is a wish for the world to be other than it is... The desire for reaching ones imagined potentiality or sense of achievement is a departure from this moment. The desire is felt in the body as a feeling of lack or subtle dissatisfaction, causing the person to complain about nothing in particular. It should be dropped when it arises. |
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Post by enigma on Jul 12, 2013 23:23:39 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi tzu, Wouldn't it be great if there was nothing other than the present moment. One would not have to worry about whether one was in it or not:) Would it not also be a burden to be concerned about whether one was experiencing the quality of the moment? I guess it depends on the character. For amit it would be a terrible burden. How about for you? Can you say something about the experience or what ever term you use for it? How difficult is it for you to experience the quality of the moment? Do you regard it as a practice, if so what's involved in that practice? amit Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2900#ixzz2Yr77fbFYHi Amit: i think we all understand what it is to be less than our potential, that diminishes the quality of 'my' experience/existence.. when i am less attentive, less present, less compassionate, less clearly aware.. those are some of the conditions that, if i am honest with myself, diminishes the quality of 'my' existence.. Be well.. One is always living up to one's potential, always doing the best that one can do. If one could do better, then one would be doing it. Your self judgment is actually what diminishes the quality of your existence, and in a way at least, diminishes the quality of the existence of others when you project your judgment onto them. Overcoming that judgment by conforming to your expectations is what provides temporary relief. Not applying the judgment in the first place is a permanent kind of relief that requires nothing. |
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Post by amit on Jul 13, 2013 1:04:52 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi tzu, Wouldn't it be great if there was nothing other than the present moment. One would not have to worry about whether one was in it or not:) Would it not also be a burden to be concerned about whether one was experiencing the quality of the moment? I guess it depends on the character. For amit it would be a terrible burden. How about for you? Can you say something about the experience or what ever term you use for it? How difficult is it for you to experience the quality of the moment? Do you regard it as a practice, if so what's involved in that practice? amit Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2900#ixzz2Yr77fbFYHi Amit: i think we all understand what it is to be less than our potential, that diminishes the quality of 'my' experience/existence.. when i am less attentive, less present, less compassionate, less clearly aware.. those are some of the conditions that, if i am honest with myself, diminishes the quality of 'my' existence.. Be well.. Hi tzu, Understood. Thanks. Its nothing like that for me. It feels like its impossible to be less than my potential. It feels like its all just happening, whatever it is which of course means no objective on my part to more or less of the attributes you mention for which I am immensely grateful because it doesn't suit my character to have such a goal or a practice to achieve it. Do you manage to realize your potential to be attentive, present, compassionate, clearly aware? amit |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 13, 2013 5:44:10 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Hi Amit: i think we all understand what it is to be less than our potential, that diminishes the quality of 'my' experience/existence.. when i am less attentive, less present, less compassionate, less clearly aware.. those are some of the conditions that, if i am honest with myself, diminishes the quality of 'my' existence.. Be well.. Hi tzu, Understood. Thanks. Its nothing like that for me. It feels like its impossible to be less than my potential. It feels like its all just happening, whatever it is which of course means no objective on my part to more or less of the attributes you mention for which I am immensely grateful because it doesn't suit my character to have such a goal or a practice to achieve it. Do you manage to realize your potential to be attentive, present, compassionate, clearly aware? amit Not always, no.. instinctively, i am aware of potential, so when i experience my relationship with Life as not resonating with that potential i am aware of the potential to change, to choose to experience a more resonant relationship with potential.. it's not a "goal or practice", it's an awareness of the quality of my existence and of what is possible, and the realization that i can choose the quality of my relationship with Life.. Be well.. |
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Post by amit on Jul 13, 2013 6:41:23 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi tzu, Understood. Thanks. Its nothing like that for me. It feels like its impossible to be less than my potential. It feels like its all just happening, whatever it is which of course means no objective on my part to more or less of the attributes you mention for which I am immensely grateful because it doesn't suit my character to have such a goal or a practice to achieve it. Do you manage to realize your potential to be attentive, present, compassionate, clearly aware? amit Not always, no.. instinctively, i am aware of potential, so when i experience my relationship with Life as not resonating with that potential i am aware of the potential to change, to choose to experience a more resonant relationship with potential.. it's not a "goal or practice", it's an awareness of the quality of my existence and of what is possible, and the realization that i can choose the quality of my relationship with Life.. Be well.. Hi tzu, Understood. Thanks. "...so when i experience my relationship with Life as not resonating with that potential i am aware of the potential to change, to choose to experience a more resonant relationship with potential....with life." Can you give an example of such a choice? amit |
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Post by zendancer on Jul 13, 2013 9:12:55 GMT -5
Hi Amit:
Understood. Thanks!
I didn't get where you were coming from, psychologically, until I read this thread this morning. Ha ha! I now understand your responses in other threads (why ATA would be such a terrible burden, for example). Keep up the good work! You are quite a character--we might even say unimaginable. Ha ha. What threw me off was your continual reference to what appeared to be a "conceptual understanding" of non-duality. Indeed, making an effort to do anything would be a terrible burden. You definitely brought a smile to this character this morning.
ZD
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 13, 2013 13:03:48 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi Amit: i think we all understand what it is to be less than our potential, that diminishes the quality of 'my' experience/existence.. when i am less attentive, less present, less compassionate, less clearly aware.. those are some of the conditions that, if i am honest with myself, diminishes the quality of 'my' existence.. Be well.. Any and all desire, is a wish for the world to be other than it is... The desire for reaching ones imagined potentiality or sense of achievement is a departure from this moment. The desire is felt in the body as a feeling of lack or subtle dissatisfaction, causing the person to complain about nothing in particular. It should be dropped when it arises. I find that dropping it (anything) isn't something that can be done - it happens when it happens. It's least likely to happen when I'm thinking "wow I should drop this." Funny how that works, no? Just being aware, and accepting there is desire present, seems to be enough -- no need to "do" anything. It rises and falls all on its own. |
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 13, 2013 13:11:48 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi tzu, Wouldn't it be great if there was nothing other than the present moment. One would not have to worry about whether one was in it or not:) Would it not also be a burden to be concerned about whether one was experiencing the quality of the moment? I guess it depends on the character. For amit it would be a terrible burden. How about for you? Can you say something about the experience or what ever term you use for it? How difficult is it for you to experience the quality of the moment? Do you regard it as a practice, if so what's involved in that practice? amit Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2900#ixzz2Yr77fbFYHi Amit: i think we all understand what it is to be less than our potential, that diminishes the quality of 'my' experience/existence.. when i am less attentive, less present, less compassionate, less clearly aware.. those are some of the conditions that, if i am honest with myself, diminishes the quality of 'my' existence.. Be well.. Do you ever find yourself in, for example, a crappy state, and say, "my, what a richly crappy state this is - it's downright magnificent, in its crappiness!" My point being that one can find "quality" in any sort of experience, even the less attentive, less present, less compassionate states. It's interesting to let go of the value judgment (that which is implied by the word "diminished.") |
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 13, 2013 13:18:41 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi tzu, Understood. Thanks. Its nothing like that for me. It feels like its impossible to be less than my potential. It feels like its all just happening, whatever it is which of course means no objective on my part to more or less of the attributes you mention for which I am immensely grateful because it doesn't suit my character to have such a goal or a practice to achieve it. Do you manage to realize your potential to be attentive, present, compassionate, clearly aware? amit Not always, no.. instinctively, i am aware of potential, so when i experience my relationship with Life as not resonating with that potential i am aware of the potential to change, to choose to experience a more resonant relationship with potential.. it's not a "goal or practice", it's an awareness of the quality of my existence and of what is possible, and the realization that i can choose the quality of my relationship with Life.. Be well.. This sounds like a control tactic, and it works, it can work quite well... until Life throws you a curve ball, and you are reminded yet again that control is just an illusion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 17:21:58 GMT -5
Greetings.. Not always, no.. instinctively, i am aware of potential, so when i experience my relationship with Life as not resonating with that potential i am aware of the potential to change, to choose to experience a more resonant relationship with potential.. it's not a "goal or practice", it's an awareness of the quality of my existence and of what is possible, and the realization that i can choose the quality of my relationship with Life.. Be well.. This sounds like a control tactic, and it works, it can work quite well... until Life throws you a curve ball, and you are reminded yet again that control is just an illusion. Yes, we seek control not knowing that we are that which is 'total' control...hehehe |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 13, 2013 21:57:11 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Hi Amit: i think we all understand what it is to be less than our potential, that diminishes the quality of 'my' experience/existence.. when i am less attentive, less present, less compassionate, less clearly aware.. those are some of the conditions that, if i am honest with myself, diminishes the quality of 'my' existence.. Be well.. , always doing the best that one can do. If one could do better, then one would be doing it. Your self judgment is actually what diminishes the quality of your existence, and in a way at least, diminishes the quality of the existence of others when you project your judgment onto them. Overcoming that judgment by conforming to your expectations is what provides temporary relief. Not applying the judgment in the first place is a permanent kind of relief that requires nothing. No, E, that's not accurate, it is observably inaccurate.. it suits your needs, but like the rest of your post, it is a product of your imagination.. Why do you make absurd statements like, "One is always living up to one's potential", then try to convince people the statements are valid? is Life's uncomplicated simplicity too boring for you? Anyone can always do better, if that were not accurate, there would unconditional peace and no unpreventable suffering, but.. such is not the case.. Be well.. |
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Post by mamza on Jul 14, 2013 0:00:23 GMT -5
Greetings.. One is always living up to one's potential, always doing the best that one can do. If one could do better, then one would be doing it. Your self judgment is actually what diminishes the quality of your existence, and in a way at least, diminishes the quality of the existence of others when you project your judgment onto them. Overcoming that judgment by conforming to your expectations is what provides temporary relief. Not applying the judgment in the first place is a permanent kind of relief that requires nothing. No, E, that's not accurate, it is observably inaccurate.. it suits your needs, but like the rest of your post, it is a product of your imagination.. Why do you make absurd statements like, "One is always living up to one's potential", then try to convince people the statements are valid? is Life's uncomplicated simplicity too boring for you? Anyone can always do better, if that were not accurate, there would unconditional peace and no unpreventable suffering, but.. such is not the case.. Be well.. I agree with E on this one. There seems to be an idea of how a person living to their potential looks/acts to you. Sometimes living to my potential just means accepting I lost a game and moving on. Sometimes it means saving a kid from a speeding car. It doesn't fit into any particular box. "Anyone can always do better." False. If I'm 80 years old and I can only lift 20 lbs. over my head, that more than likely isn't going to change for the better. |
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