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Post by Reefs on Jul 7, 2013 10:23:32 GMT -5
Unless you are not and are absolutely certain, just 3 examples: 1) that "all is just a play of ideas" 2) that you had "the ultimate realization" 3) that neither I nor Enigma nor Silence had "the ultimate realization" Like I have said, and you still don't get this, 'possibility' allows for the experience of certainty and knowing stuff. To be clear, I wasn't the one that came up with 'ultimate realization', in fact I found it quite funny, I have gone with it for convenience of conversation. However, there is a non-dual realization that transcends all other non-dual realizations. The point is that you ALWAYS have the 'experience of certainty' about these 3 topics I mentioned there. And when Enigma or I are ALWAYS wrong then there isn't really just a possibility at play. It's absolute certainty. And not just a temporary absolute certainty. Same with this 'all is just a play of ideas' dogma which became your ultimate realization. You never indicated that you could be wrong and just fooling yourself which means it's not just a possibility for you, it's a absolute certainty for you. Even questioning it is out of question for you as you've explained recently. |
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Post by andrew on Jul 7, 2013 10:31:08 GMT -5
Like I have said, and you still don't get this, 'possibility' allows for the experience of certainty and knowing stuff. To be clear, I wasn't the one that came up with 'ultimate realization', in fact I found it quite funny, I have gone with it for convenience of conversation. However, there is a non-dual realization that transcends all other non-dual realizations. The point is that you ALWAYS have the 'experience of certainty' about these 3 topics I mentioned there. And when Enigma or I are ALWAYS wrong then there isn't really just a possibility at play. It's absolute certainty. And not just a temporary absolute certainty. Same with this 'all is just a play of ideas' dogma which became your ultimate realization. You never indicated that you could be wrong and just fooling yourself which means it's not just a possibility for you, it's a absolute certainty for you. Even questioning it is out of question for you as you've explained recently. I don't know about ALWAYS have the experience of certainty on those topics, sometimes its just chat on here, in which case there is no definite sense of certainty. However, again, you just don't get what is meant by 'everything is a play of ideas'. It transcends right and wrong, true and false. Its about possibility and it points to emptiness. |
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Post by Reefs on Jul 8, 2013 11:08:20 GMT -5
The point is that you ALWAYS have the 'experience of certainty' about these 3 topics I mentioned there. And when Enigma or I are ALWAYS wrong then there isn't really just a possibility at play. It's absolute certainty. And not just a temporary absolute certainty. Same with this 'all is just a play of ideas' dogma which became your ultimate realization. You never indicated that you could be wrong and just fooling yourself which means it's not just a possibility for you, it's a absolute certainty for you. Even questioning it is out of question for you as you've explained recently. I don't know about ALWAYS have the experience of certainty on those topics, sometimes its just chat on here, in which case there is no definite sense of certainty. However, again, you just don't get what is meant by 'everything is a play of ideas'. It transcends right and wrong, true and false. Its about possibility and it points to emptiness. You never say "it's possible that what Enigma says is buffoonery". You instead say "what Enigma says is buffoonery". Your possibility talk is just lip service. If you look at the result (i.e. what you actually post in reply) then this should be clear. You only call it a possibility when someone points out your attachment to a rigid mental position. Then you start the backpedaling and explain that 'you CAN experience certainty at times' or 'it's just chat' - iow, you cop out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 11:37:42 GMT -5
Unless you are not and are absolutely certain, just 3 examples: 1) that "all is just a play of ideas" 2) that you had "the ultimate realization" 3) that neither I nor Enigma nor Silence had "the ultimate realization" Like I have said, and you still don't get this, 'possibility' allows for the experience of certainty and knowing stuff. To be clear, I wasn't the one that came up with 'ultimate realization', in fact I found it quite funny, I have gone with it for convenience of conversation. However, there is a non-dual realization that transcends all other non-dual realizations. That is a logical impossibility... We don't actually experience certainty and knowing stuff...we experience the 'thought' of certainty and knowing stuff. Just because something is possible doesn't mean that it can manifest in this world, except as a thought. Thought say's that it's possible for me to jump tall buildings, but it can never manifest in this world. The experience of certainty and knowing stuff is a possibility that can never manifest itself in this world. IMO |
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Post by andrew on Jul 8, 2013 11:48:07 GMT -5
I don't know about ALWAYS have the experience of certainty on those topics, sometimes its just chat on here, in which case there is no definite sense of certainty. However, again, you just don't get what is meant by 'everything is a play of ideas'. It transcends right and wrong, true and false. Its about possibility and it points to emptiness. You never say "it's possible that what Enigma says is buffoonery". You instead say "what Enigma says is buffoonery". Your possibility talk is just lip service. If you look at the result (i.e. what you actually post in reply) then this should be clear. You only call it a possibility when someone points out your attachment to a rigid mental position. Then you start the backpedaling and explain that 'you CAN experience certainty at times' or 'it's just chat' - iow, you cop out. You don't understand what is meant by 'possibility'. It includes the possibility of knowing something or being certain of something, and I do experience knowing stuff with certainty at times. |
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Post by andrew on Jul 8, 2013 11:50:56 GMT -5
Like I have said, and you still don't get this, 'possibility' allows for the experience of certainty and knowing stuff. To be clear, I wasn't the one that came up with 'ultimate realization', in fact I found it quite funny, I have gone with it for convenience of conversation. However, there is a non-dual realization that transcends all other non-dual realizations. That is a logical impossibility... We don't actually experience certainty and knowing stuff...we experience the 'thought' of certainty and knowing stuff. Just because something is possible doesn't mean that it can manifest in this world, except as a thought. Thought say's that it's possible for me to jump tall buildings, but it can never manifest in this world. The experience of certainty and knowing stuff is a possibility that can never manifest itself in this world. IMO It seems like knowing stuff with certainty can happen, even if you are right that that is not what's happening, and 'seeming' is often good enough for me. You may be surprised at what you could do, there are stories of yogi's that levitate and fly etc. I am not suggesting you go test it out hehe. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 11:54:55 GMT -5
That is a logical impossibility... We don't actually experience certainty and knowing stuff...we experience the 'thought' of certainty and knowing stuff. Just because something is possible doesn't mean that it can manifest in this world, except as a thought. Thought say's that it's possible for me to jump tall buildings, but it can never manifest in this world. The experience of certainty and knowing stuff is a possibility that can never manifest itself in this world. IMO It seems like knowing stuff with certainty can happen, even if you are right that that is not what's happening, and 'seeming' is often good enough for me. You may be surprised at what you could do, there are stories of yogi's that levitate and fly etc. I am not suggesting you go test it out hehe. That St. Theresa of Avila was kind of a hoot.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 12:02:27 GMT -5
That is a logical impossibility... We don't actually experience certainty and knowing stuff...we experience the 'thought' of certainty and knowing stuff. Just because something is possible doesn't mean that it can manifest in this world, except as a thought. Thought say's that it's possible for me to jump tall buildings, but it can never manifest in this world. The experience of certainty and knowing stuff is a possibility that can never manifest itself in this world. IMO It seems like knowing stuff with certainty can happen, even if you are right that that is not what's happening, and 'seeming' is often good enough for me. You may be surprised at what you could do, there are stories of yogi's that levitate and fly etc. I am not suggesting you go test it out hehe. Sure, there is really only two choices for the attention to land on... to experience what is actually happening or experience what 'thought' or what 'seems' to be happening. And what 'seems' to be happening is that yogi's can fly... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 22:25:47 GMT -5
Mark 11:23
King James Version (KJV)
23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
25 When you ·are praying, if you ·are angry with [have anything against] someone, forgive him so that your Father in heaven will also forgive your ·sins [transgressions; trespasses].
That "Forgive" part is kinda important to the process, in Aramaic, that word is better translated as "to let go of, or unbind"
Forgiveness is pretty important when looked at in that light...also, Faith is better translated as "Trust" from Aramaic.
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