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Post by enigma on Jul 2, 2013 1:36:22 GMT -5
Many years ago, I had a series of dreams in which it seemed clear that I understood the answer to 'God, the universe and everything', only to wake up and lose it completely. [...] The answer is "1" and nothing more ( <<< 'me' nondualist maniac) Ahh, so that's what that smiley is.
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Post by Portto on Jul 2, 2013 6:12:16 GMT -5
The answer is "1" and nothing more ( <<< 'me' nondualist maniac) Ahh, so that's what that smiley is. It must be, it came to me in a dream!
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Post by Portto on Jul 2, 2013 6:26:33 GMT -5
[...] The drugs and plant medicines temporally raised my vibration and aligned parts of my consciousness so that I could see things with crystal clarity for a short amount of time.[...] Can you describe the various parts of consciousness?
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 2, 2013 6:39:37 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that mind is not activated while dreaming? My friend was just telling me about how he dreamed last night about diving head first from a cliff of great height but stopped in mid air just short of crashing into some rocks, and gently reached out to touch the rock with his finger. For him it seemed very real while he was dreaming it but when he awoke he realized it was just a dream. How can such imagining occur if not for an activated mind creating the illusion of a reality? No, mind is clearly at play in dreams, but there is much less rational focus. Stopping a fall in mid air is a discontinuity that would destabilize the waking mind. We allow for dream sequence shifts and irrational scenarios all the time in the dream state. This provides an uncommon openness. OK, fair enough. Here is an interesting quote you might be interested to see: ‘The world vision which appears in the waking state and the world vision which appears in the dream state are both the same. There is not even a trace of a difference. The dream state happens merely to prove the unreality of the world which we see in the waking state. This is one of the operations of God’s grace. …Ramana
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 2, 2013 7:39:17 GMT -5
[...] The drugs and plant medicines temporally raised my vibration and aligned parts of my consciousness so that I could see things with crystal clarity for a short amount of time.[...] Can you describe the various parts of consciousness? The higher self which can not be here because the body would blow like a fuse, the sub-conscious which was split off because we are slowly sucked into duality consciousness during our childhood. And that part of us that we call the conscious awake mind, the part of you that reads these words right now. And some of us due to traumas growing up split ourselves even more.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 2, 2013 8:00:04 GMT -5
The answer is "1" and nothing more ( <<< 'me' nondualist maniac) Ahh, so that's what that smiley is. I thought it was a bug. (Why they'd offer a bug smiley is beyond me).
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Post by Portto on Jul 2, 2013 8:33:14 GMT -5
Can you describe the various parts of consciousness? The higher self which can not be here because the body would blow like a fuse, the sub-conscious which was split off because we are slowly sucked into duality consciousness during our childhood. And that part of us that we call the conscious awake mind, the part of you that reads these words right now. And some of us due to traumas growing up split ourselves even more. That's really cool! In this case, aligning them would be like making consciousness 'one' again. What is the self/you/us/we in your opinion/vision? What is the 'real self' ?
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Post by Portto on Jul 2, 2013 8:35:40 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on Jul 2, 2013 11:53:48 GMT -5
Ahh, so that's what that smiley is. It must be, it came to me in a dream! Well that's that then.
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Post by enigma on Jul 2, 2013 14:14:27 GMT -5
No, mind is clearly at play in dreams, but there is much less rational focus. Stopping a fall in mid air is a discontinuity that would destabilize the waking mind. We allow for dream sequence shifts and irrational scenarios all the time in the dream state. This provides an uncommon openness. OK, fair enough. Here is an interesting quote you might be interested to see: ‘The world vision which appears in the waking state and the world vision which appears in the dream state are both the same. There is not even a trace of a difference. The dream state happens merely to prove the unreality of the world which we see in the waking state. This is one of the operations of God’s grace. …Ramana Yeah, I like the dream state as a metaphor for the waking state. Kind of as an 'as above, so below' thingy. I wouldn't, however, go so far as to say dreams happen to prove the unreality of the waking state, since they really don't.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 2, 2013 14:17:45 GMT -5
OK, fair enough. Here is an interesting quote you might be interested to see: ‘The world vision which appears in the waking state and the world vision which appears in the dream state are both the same. There is not even a trace of a difference. The dream state happens merely to prove the unreality of the world which we see in the waking state. This is one of the operations of God’s grace. …Ramana Yeah, I like the dream state as a metaphor for the waking state. Kind of as an 'as above, so below' thingy. I wouldn't, however, go so far as to say dreams happen to prove the unreality of the waking state, since they really don't. Yes. So you and Ramana have a different view of it. But why do you say that? The only real is the Witness. Everything else is illusion, is it not?
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Post by enigma on Jul 2, 2013 14:21:16 GMT -5
Can you describe the various parts of consciousness? The higher self which can not be here because the body would blow like a fuse, the sub-conscious which was split off because we are slowly sucked into duality consciousness during our childhood. And that part of us that we call the conscious awake mind, the part of you that reads these words right now. And some of us due to traumas growing up split ourselves even more. There isn't some higher self that can't be here. What you are on the most fundamental level is present right here, right now. There isn't something else. The unconscious mind has a practical function in the world, which makes it possible to perform routine tasks without having to focus all our conscious attention. It does, of course, get misused. The rest is what I call the split mind, which is really what you're doing here in dividing mind into selves and such.
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Post by enigma on Jul 2, 2013 14:22:38 GMT -5
Ahh, so that's what that smiley is. I thought it was a bug. (Why they'd offer a bug smiley is beyond me). Just to bug you.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 2, 2013 14:25:07 GMT -5
I thought it was a bug. (Why they'd offer a bug smiley is beyond me). Just to bug you. Oh, I didn't know you had any input in selection of the smileys.
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Post by enigma on Jul 2, 2013 14:26:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I like the dream state as a metaphor for the waking state. Kind of as an 'as above, so below' thingy. I wouldn't, however, go so far as to say dreams happen to prove the unreality of the waking state, since they really don't. Yes. So you and Ramana have a different view of it. But why do you say that? The only real is the Witness. Everything else is illusion, is it not? Sure. What I question is the idea that the only purpose of dreams is to prove the unreality of the waking state. There seems to be other reasons for dreams, and dreams can't actually prove what is happening in the waking state.
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