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Post by Beingist on Jun 30, 2013 18:27:22 GMT -5
Can you find a boundary for either of those two options Beingist? I don't understand the question. Please clarify.
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Post by silence on Jun 30, 2013 18:37:36 GMT -5
Can you find a boundary for either of those two options Beingist? I don't understand the question. Please clarify. The term "mind" refers to something for you right? As well, the term "being" also refers to something I assume. I'm saying if both mind and being exist for you, can you find a boundary where mind ends and being begins or vice versa?
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Post by Beingist on Jun 30, 2013 18:43:58 GMT -5
I don't understand the question. Please clarify. The term "mind" refers to something for you right? As well, the term "being" also refers to something I assume. I'm saying if both mind and being exist for you, can you find a boundary where mind ends and being begins or vice versa? I would have to say mind is limited to the body, but Being is limitless, intangible, ineffable. Hence, it's not a matter of where one ends and one begins.
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Post by silence on Jun 30, 2013 18:53:13 GMT -5
The term "mind" refers to something for you right? As well, the term "being" also refers to something I assume. I'm saying if both mind and being exist for you, can you find a boundary where mind ends and being begins or vice versa? I would have to say mind is limited to the body, but Being is limitless, intangible, ineffable. Hence, it's not a matter of where one ends and one begins. So it's just a matter of seeing where others stand or are you not sure about that?
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Post by Beingist on Jun 30, 2013 18:56:20 GMT -5
I would have to say mind is limited to the body, but Being is limitless, intangible, ineffable. Hence, it's not a matter of where one ends and one begins. So it's just a matter of seeing where others stand or are you not sure about that? Pretty much seeing where others stand. I have my understanding, but am open to what others say. That's all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2013 23:50:10 GMT -5
Only Mind Knows Mind And that too, is far too much knowing. So mind is outside of mind and it knows it? Is that like the mind knowing the mind knowing the mind...? I believe it's too much thinking we have...not too much knowing.. Do you know the difference? I mean between knowing and thinking.
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Post by enigma on Jul 1, 2013 0:17:27 GMT -5
The term "mind" refers to something for you right? As well, the term "being" also refers to something I assume. I'm saying if both mind and being exist for you, can you find a boundary where mind ends and being begins or vice versa? I would have to say mind is limited to the body, but Being is limitless, intangible, ineffable. Hence, it's not a matter of where one ends and one begins. If Being is limitless, it clearly crosses the boundary of whatever you define mind to be. However, the real problem here seems to be that.....the question is misconceived.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 0:22:33 GMT -5
I would have to say mind is limited to the body, but Being is limitless, intangible, ineffable. Hence, it's not a matter of where one ends and one begins. If Being is limitless, it clearly crosses the boundary of whatever you define mind to be. However, the real problem here seems to be that.....the question is misconceived. What was the misconceived question?
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Post by amit on Jul 1, 2013 2:14:39 GMT -5
Hi all,
Maybe all we have to go on is how it feels for us. If that is explored we may find similarities between our experiences.
If I ask my mind "What is your purpose and function" The reply is something about the purpose being to preserve the body and the mind. Its feels like its done by observing/monitoring the body/mind and the outside world, to identify discomfort and attempt to find and apply solutions.
I have said above "If I ask my mind....". What is this "I"?
1) Is this "I" merely just the mind referring to itself when talking to itself?
2) Or is it some sort of Beingness separate from the mind?
If its feels like the latter then what is this "Beingness" if its not the mind? Simply the feeling of being alive?
For me it feels like its all Mind. What does it feel like for you?
amit
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Post by esteban on Jul 1, 2013 2:15:05 GMT -5
Only Mind Knows Mind And that too, is far too much knowing. So mind is outside of mind and it knows it? Is that like the mind knowing the mind knowing the mind...? I believe it's too much thinking we have...not too much knowing.. Do you know the difference? I mean between knowing and thinking. Again, you know too much, and oddly, are trying to know even more. I have no idea what you know about some kind of difference between knowing and thinking, but whatever it is, it's too much knowing and thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 2:26:24 GMT -5
So mind is outside of mind and it knows it? Is that like the mind knowing the mind knowing the mind...? I believe it's too much thinking we have...not too much knowing.. Do you know the difference? I mean between knowing and thinking. Again, you know too much, and oddly, are trying to know even more. I have no idea what you know about some kind of difference between knowing and thinking, but whatever it is, it's too much knowing and thinking. And you esteban? clearly know how to write the same sentence over and over again. And so I ask again, how many times do you have to say that there is too much knowing, before it is never mentioned again?
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Post by esteban on Jul 1, 2013 3:14:48 GMT -5
Again, you know too much, and oddly, are trying to know even more. I have no idea what you know about some kind of difference between knowing and thinking, but whatever it is, it's too much knowing and thinking. And you esteban? clearly know how to write the same sentence over and over again. And so I ask again, how many times do you have to say that there is too much knowing, before it is never mentioned again?How many times do you think people at this existential discussion forum are going to ask questions seeking more answers, or offering up their own answers?
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Post by Beingist on Jul 1, 2013 7:22:09 GMT -5
I would have to say mind is limited to the body, but Being is limitless, intangible, ineffable. Hence, it's not a matter of where one ends and one begins. If Being is limitless, it clearly crosses the boundary of whatever you define mind to be. Not if it includes mind within the boundary. Does the border of the United States cross the boundary of Nebraska? Yeah, well, I don't care about your misconceived questions, anymore. It's just a question to me, no more misconceived than, 'what did you have for lunch'?
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Post by enigma on Jul 1, 2013 10:12:41 GMT -5
If Being is limitless, it clearly crosses the boundary of whatever you define mind to be. However, the real problem here seems to be that.....the question is misconceived. What was the misconceived question? 'ALL' is separated conceptually into Being and mind by imagining distinctions, and then one asks if 'all' (whatever we imagine that to be) falls into one imaginary category or another. There cannot be a 'real' answer to a question based on imaginary distinctions. It's not fundamentally different from asking about the mating habits of the unicorn or the dietary habits of the Germidgepillion. (Though A is still waiting for further data on the latter) Experience consists of distinctions. This is why Niz says everything is a play of ideas. When we form distinctions about our experience, like mind and Being, we're just creating more distinctions about distinctions to add to our experience. When we ask questions about the ultimate truth of those imaginary distinctions, then it becomes clear that we have forgotten that we imagined them in the first place. Is there a mind in actuality or is it a way of talking about the appearance of thought as opposed to the appearance of feeling or sense perceptions? Is there a Being in actuality or is it a way of talking about subjectivity as opposed to objectivity, which is another distinction? (Exceeding 3 paragraph text wall limit) Creating distinctions can be fun and interesting and very practical as we manipulate our experience, but outside of that context they have no meaning and don't refer to some objective 'reality' or actuality or truth. They mean only what we have imagined they mean.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 1, 2013 10:15:47 GMT -5
What was the misconceived question? 'ALL' is separated conceptually into Being and mind by imagining distinctions, and then one asks if 'all' (whatever we imagine that to be) falls into one imaginary category or another. There cannot be a 'real' answer to a question based on imaginary distinctions. It's not fundamentally different from asking about the mating habits of the unicorn or the dietary habits of the Germidgepillion. (Though A is still waiting for further data on the latter) Experience consists of distinctions. This is why Niz says everything is a play of ideas. When we form distinctions about our experience, like mind and Being, we're just creating more distinctions about distinctions to add to our experience. When we ask questions about the ultimate truth of those imaginary distinctions, then it becomes clear that we have forgotten that we imagined them in the first place. Is there a mind in actuality or is it a way of talking about the appearance of thought as opposed to the appearance of feeling or sense perceptions? Is there a Being in actuality or is it a way of talking about subjectivity as opposed to objectivity, which is another distinction? (Exceeding 3 paragraph text wall limit) Creating distinctions can be fun and interesting and very practical as we manipulate our experience, but outside of that context they have no meaning and don't refer to some objective 'reality' or actuality or truth. They mean only what we have imagined they mean. You can always vote 'this poll is for the birds'. ***rolls eyes*** ('cause I don't know which is the rollie-eyes smiley )
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