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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 6:11:46 GMT -5
totally enlighten me please if it isnt just about semantics that is...   Well, what would you imagine the guy who wrote the books would say to you if you told him you didn't believe him? About anything. if he were any good, he´d say i was on the right track...  |
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Post by laughter on Nov 19, 2015 10:19:56 GMT -5
Well, what would you imagine the guy who wrote the books would say to you if you told him you didn't believe him? About anything. if he were any good, he´d say i was on the right track... You been hangin' out in 'dusty's bingo hall dude.  |
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Post by laughter on Nov 19, 2015 10:21:36 GMT -5
if he were any good, he´d say i was on the right track... He would say 'Good on ya'....... Or perhaps -- the ultimate insult -- "there's hope for you yet!". |
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Post by laughter on Nov 19, 2015 10:22:18 GMT -5
Oh, I see, thanks for explaining. I only read the first of the trilogy, does he give an account of what happened to the farm in the other two books? I have to admit to being surprised by the idea that the guy who wrote the first book would get the idea to deliberately build something like that, but life just ain't real life if it's not surprising, and there's no predicting what truth will do. Who knows..... That's why What is always asking her. |
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Post by quinn on Nov 19, 2015 12:09:40 GMT -5
Not anymore. But I would say this... from my experience the male of the species, no mattter how TR - is always walking on the verge of Ego retaliation, from within and its further projection into the world. All is energy. Testosterone cannot be removed, nor its effects lessened. Ego is not like a solid homogenous body of a crystal. It has a shimmering quality and thousands of forms locked into one another. Yes, this is the way it's seemed to me, so it's nice to hear it phrased like that. My experience is of those facets dropping off, seemingly randomly, not all at once, but some here and some there. And the only way I know that is if some situation comes up and I happen to notice that it's gone. Or sometimes I'll notice one is still here, like some old family friend that isn't particularly welcome but drops by now and then. Others here speak about some kind of 'final' realization that's like an atomic bomb for ego. Done, finished - all at once. Sounds pretty appealing, but I wonder if it's always that way. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 19, 2015 17:47:05 GMT -5
That's why What is always asking her. I don't understand the meaning, Laughter. Would it help if I disclosed that it was a joke, and a reference to a very old but very famous comedy skit? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 19, 2015 18:01:42 GMT -5
I don't understand the meaning, Laughter. Would it help if I disclosed that it was a joke, and a reference to a very old but very famous comedy skit? I don't know. www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQXwt83hYkE |
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Post by laughter on Nov 20, 2015 5:07:43 GMT -5
" 1981 movie trailer"  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 6:58:10 GMT -5
do you know the book ´´collision with the infinite´´? I forgot her name--she one day , while waiting at a busstop, ´´lost her mind´´ and spent ten years trying to figure out wtf had happened to her. One thing i recall , is that despite her ´´freedom´´, she had a constant fear, she could not shake off. In the end she figured out that it must have been an imprint of her grandmother, who had survived the german deathcamps. You are your own source of wisdom, so dont go trying invent the wheel again...and, if you are ALL, the guidance you need is out there...it is you talking to you I think you refer to Susan Segal. I 've never read her book, but some extracts. I came from another path. Psychological death I was referring to - removed the past and the future, and since no projections exist anymore - there is no fear of any kind. She came into it unprepared, and her life was a struggle thereafter. Ramana was taken care of in India, in his initial, animal like state. Not so in the West. That's the reason why Jed recommends Human Adulthood first. You are your own source of wisdom, so dont go trying invent the wheel again..
Don't know what you mean here.
i did not suggest you had fear--but the total disconnection from emotion doesnt mean subconsciously (the conditionings you arent aware of) they persist.This is how i sense jed´s style of writing--he is unaware of how it influenced him during writing.It explains how ´´free´´ people can still act like azoles, full of judgement.I can accept that jed may have evolved, but in his earlier writing(trilogy) he is very disdainful of ´´new age spirituality´´and though i can see his point(so much humbug out there) his sweeping statements on the subject suggest prejudice instead of sincere investigation.As I said before,the experience of the transcendent can be so overwhelming that our material universe seems illusory, and as such anybody claiming a path within this illusion to be misled. His statements about considering suicide tell me he does not accept ´´life´´.And his T-shirt slogan´´kill your parents´´ should have included ´´kill your children´´but maybe that was a tad too provocative even for him... quoting you:You are your own source of wisdom, so dont go trying invent the wheel again..
Don't know what you mean here.Kind of a paradox i guess if it is all you, then you invented the ´´wheel´´ (how to deal with spiritual experience(s) already. I see no shame in using my other ´me´s´´´to find answers. Only EGO makes such limitations... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 6:26:33 GMT -5
he is very disdainful of ´´new age spirituality´
I, too, find it belonging in the candy store. the experience of the transcendent can be so overwhelming that our material universe seems illusory
You use the word 'the transcendent' a lot. What does it mean to you? His statements about considering suicide tell me he does not accept ´´life´
Our human lives have no intrinsic value or meaning. Once a being sees that with honesty and courage - there are only two options: to engage the illusion or to check out. quoting you:You are your own source of wisdom, so dont go trying invent the wheel again..
Don't know what you mean here.if it is all you, then you invented the ´´wheel´´ (how to deal with spiritual experience(s) already. I see no shame in using my other ´me´s´´´to find answers.
I don't have questions. It is not 'me' who is engaged in any interactions. 'It' carries along, and provides the best tools for further evolution. It has no name, shape or form. i sympathise-- read the link you gave earlier to Figgles.I think understand better now. It is a kind of balancing act... Evolution is a concept, created by mind (time-space-matter) to make sense of the whole thang.But then without mind, (and ego, as you pointed out in that link) nothing would ´´evolve´´.As someone said once:´´ego is the helper and the bar.´´ What i mean with the Transcendent. To me, it is an all-pervading Presence.No name shape or form. A tiny shift in ´´focus´´, and I SEE it evrywhere, a white-bluish light, sort of sky-blue.At first i saw it only when out in Nature,(i live in a forest) but not inside my house. I didnt understand why i couldnt see it there. I used to have a rather chaotic situation in my work-living space. (painting can be messy).After i made a superhuman (...)effort to bring order into it, the Presence remained also inside the house.It already was always there, but the chaos was a remnant of my blind past, clouding the view. I shift in and out of this Presence, it seems to be something that ´´descends´´, touches upon past conditionings (lower chakras), stirs them up and brings it to the surface.I need no ´´psychology´´ to understand these conditionings or how they came about.The presence does the job , and here i can relate to what you say:´'It' carries along, and provides the best tools for further evolution. It has no name, shape or form.´ |
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Post by laughter on Nov 21, 2015 20:39:23 GMT -5
Would it help if I disclosed that it was a joke, and a reference to a very old but very famous comedy skit? No. You assume we share the same cultural heritage. This is why I never make references to anything culture related and see beyond to the eternal instead. Humor -- although often heavily dependent on it -- transcends culture. Laughter is a human universal. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2015 7:35:52 GMT -5
Humor -- although often heavily dependent on it -- transcends culture. Laughter is a human universal. Humour is universal, but context dependent. I didn't get your context, so didn't get the humour part. You mean the context of the old skit? It definitely would have helped but the joke is a timeless classic that stands on it's own. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2015 8:41:49 GMT -5
You mean the context of the old skit? It definitely would have helped but the joke is a timeless classic that stands on it's own. Oh well... I'm probably a bit dim. Well, I'm well-aware of how opaque some of what I write can get sometimes so don't beat yourself up. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 22, 2015 9:08:02 GMT -5
You mean the context of the old skit? It definitely would have helped but the joke is a timeless classic that stands on it's own. Oh well... I'm probably a bit dim. My link showed only half of it, they were just getting to the outfield. ... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 5:11:18 GMT -5
i sympathise-- read the link you gave earlier to Figgles.I think understand better now. It is a kind of balancing act... Evolution is a concept, created by mind (time-space-matter) to make sense of the whole thang.But then without mind, (and ego, as you pointed out in that link) nothing would ´´evolve´´.As someone said once:´´ego is the helper and the bar.´´ What i mean with the Transcendent. To me, it is an all-pervading Presence.No name shape or form. A tiny shift in ´´focus´´, and I SEE it evrywhere, a white-bluish light, sort of sky-blue.At first i saw it only when out in Nature,(i live in a forest) but not inside my house. I didnt understand why i couldnt see it there. I used to have a rather chaotic situation in my work-living space. (painting can be messy).After i made a superhuman (...)effort to bring order into it, the Presence remained also inside the house.It already was always there, but the chaos was a remnant of my blind past, clouding the view. I shift in and out of this Presence, it seems to be something that ´´descends´´, touches upon past conditionings (lower chakras), stirs them up and brings it to the surface.I need no ´´psychology´´ to understand these conditionings or how they came about.The presence does the job , and here i can relate to what you say:´'It' carries along, and provides the best tools for further evolution. It has no name, shape or form.´ Thank you for yor sincerity, Sunshine. It's different for me. I don't SEE Presence, I AM Presence, and so cannot 'shift in and out' of it. I am 'it', always, in every breath. And yes, 'evolution' is a concept, the relative which points to the eternal. The 'it' that I am - is in constant motion. Not mystical. There is nothing, but Change. yes, i got that from the link to your earlier post... i am curious--arfe ther any specs you can give? For me , the reason why i see It has just to do with some prior conditioning, everybody has a different experience...at times i AM IT as well, i can well relate to what you describe...the ´´shifting out´´ of it is just the clouding of that presence. where is this I AM located in the body?The head, the heart, the feet...any place?How does it make you feel? |
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