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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 21:44:22 GMT -5
Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 22, 2011 21:44:22 GMT -5
I don't know who made this forum possible, I suppose it was Shawn? Anyway, some years ago, I guess about six years ago (and previous to that...), there was only the Spiritual Friends Locator (and I think the Spiritual Teachers list...). We kept trying to dialogue there....... Shawn kept telling us.....stop it......that's not what this is for ... ... ... ... .., it's just to locate spiritual friends. Anyway, I kept checking in from time to time........ Thanks....... and welcome........
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 21:55:45 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Dec 22, 2011 21:55:45 GMT -5
I hope you enjoy the peeps here as much as I do. "Peeps" I can guess who this is, or was, on the other site. Thanks for the invite. I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm actually going to enjoy this place. The Pavlina site seems to have served as the coals over which to walk in order to get here. That's about all I have to say about that. Ha! Yeah, I create the same nonsense everywhere I go, so I'm hard to miss. Good to see ya, B.
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 21:58:20 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Dec 22, 2011 21:58:20 GMT -5
"Peeps" I can guess who this is, or was, on the other site. Thanks for the invite. I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm actually going to enjoy this place. The Pavlina site seems to have served as the coals over which to walk in order to get here. That's about all I have to say about that. So, you've finished your obituary over there? ;D I'm a little surprised at how many violin players are still playing over there, even though the deck is listing badly.
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:06:42 GMT -5
Post by Beingist on Dec 22, 2011 22:06:42 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised at how many violin players are still playing over there, even though the deck is listing badly. Indeed. I thought about starting one last thread, using a reference to the Titanic, but in searching my creativity for a title, I could only ultimately come up with, "Screw it, I'm off this tug". LOL
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:06:51 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Dec 22, 2011 22:06:51 GMT -5
I don't know who made this forum possible, I suppose it was Shawn? Anyway, some years ago, I guess about six years ago (and previous to that...), there was only the Spiritual Friends Locator (and I think the Spiritual Teachers list...). We kept trying to dialogue there....... Shawn kept telling us.....stop it......that's not what this is for ... ... ... ... .., it's just to locate spiritual friends. Anyway, I kept checking in from time to time........ Thanks....... and welcome........ It's funny that I don't even know who Shawn is, and I keep frogetting ZD is spose to do some sort moderating or sumthin here. There never seems to be a need for moderating here, probly because no need is seen for it. Over at the Titanic, it took an army of moderators to keep everybody sufficiently intimidated to behave most of the time. (Much bigger ship, of course) It's even funnier that it was never intended to be a discussion forum.
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:12:11 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Dec 22, 2011 22:12:11 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised at how many violin players are still playing over there, even though the deck is listing badly. Indeed. I thought about starting one last thread, using a reference to the Titanic, but in searching my creativity for a title, I could only ultimately come up with, "Screw it, I'm off this tug". LOL I noticed where the moderators gave me and Chris the green light to trash the thread, as though that was something we'd been wanting to do all along. Hehe. Apparently, they had some interest in that. Me, not so much. I wandered off thinking 'They still don't get it.'
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:18:08 GMT -5
Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 22, 2011 22:18:08 GMT -5
I don't know who made this forum possible, I suppose it was Shawn? Anyway, some years ago, I guess about six years ago (and previous to that...), there was only the Spiritual Friends Locator (and I think the Spiritual Teachers list...). We kept trying to dialogue there....... Shawn kept telling us.....stop it......that's not what this is for ... ... ... ... .., it's just to locate spiritual friends. Anyway, I kept checking in from time to time........ Thanks....... and welcome........ It's funny that I don't even know who Shawn is, and I keep frogetting ZD is spose to do some sort moderating or sumthin here. There never seems to be a need for moderating here, probly because no need is seen for it. Over at the Titanic, it took an army of moderators to keep everybody sufficiently intimidated to behave most of the time. (Much bigger ship, of course) It's even funnier that it was never intended to be a discussion forum. I met him about ten years ago, nice guy, young.....but then.....he's so much older than that now......also met B.C., B.F., A.T. and C.R. ...and about a dozen other swell people...
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:20:43 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Dec 22, 2011 22:20:43 GMT -5
It's funny that I don't even know who Shawn is, and I keep frogetting ZD is spose to do some sort moderating or sumthin here. There never seems to be a need for moderating here, probly because no need is seen for it. Over at the Titanic, it took an army of moderators to keep everybody sufficiently intimidated to behave most of the time. (Much bigger ship, of course) It's even funnier that it was never intended to be a discussion forum. I met him about ten years ago, nice guy, young.....but then.....he's so much older than that now...... He must be about a decade older by now, eh? ;D (I feel like I solved a koan!)
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:29:05 GMT -5
Post by exactamente on Dec 22, 2011 22:29:05 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised at how many violin players are still playing over there, even though the deck is listing badly. I think some actually live there.
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:29:32 GMT -5
Post by Beingist on Dec 22, 2011 22:29:32 GMT -5
I noticed where the moderators gave me and Chris the green light to trash the thread, as though that was something we'd been wanting to do all along. Hehe. Apparently, they had some interest in that. Me, not so much. I wandered off thinking 'They still don't get it.' Yes, all of which I found rather confusing, as I knew there was no way you two would do such a thing. I was also astounded that Chris, of all people, got warnings, while I trashed both of you, (in my way) and no one said a thing to me. But that thread was quite intense, at least for me--seriously, not unlike walking, slowly, over hot coals, at one point. But with that, my consciousness seems to have expanded greatly. Thanks again, enigma, and thanks to Chris for your patience, and for not taking my trashing of you personally. I look forward, now, to reading folks who are more likely to "get it".
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:32:23 GMT -5
Post by exactamente on Dec 22, 2011 22:32:23 GMT -5
It's even funnier that it was never intended to be a discussion forum. maybe that's the secret ingredient? over there it was just a huge posing machine (pavlina-speak: MY PERSONAL development)
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:44:49 GMT -5
Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 22, 2011 22:44:49 GMT -5
I met him about ten years ago, nice guy, young.....but then.....he's so much older than that now...... He must be about a decade older by now, eh? ;D (I feel like I solved a koan!) The operative word, about.........it was probably more like 12 years..........ago.........
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:45:46 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Dec 22, 2011 22:45:46 GMT -5
I noticed where the moderators gave me and Chris the green light to trash the thread, as though that was something we'd been wanting to do all along. Hehe. Apparently, they had some interest in that. Me, not so much. I wandered off thinking 'They still don't get it.' Yes, all of which I found rather confusing, as I knew there was no way you two would do such a thing. I was also astounded that Chris, of all people, got warnings, while I trashed both of you, (in my way) and no one said a thing to me. But that thread was quite intense, at least for me--seriously, not unlike walking, slowly, over hot coals, at one point. But with that, my consciousness seems to have expanded greatly. Thanks again, enigma, and thanks to Chris for your patience, and for not taking my trashing of you personally. I look forward, now, to reading folks who are more likely to "get it". It was a cool experience. It seldom works out well, but you really hung in there. That gave me a lot of respect for you. It was while you were 'trashing' me on that thread that we got a warning from the moderator for "senseless sniping" and "sidewalk preaching". Hehe.
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:49:57 GMT -5
Post by zendancer on Dec 22, 2011 22:49:57 GMT -5
I don't know who made this forum possible, I suppose it was Shawn? Anyway, some years ago, I guess about six years ago (and previous to that...), there was only the Spiritual Friends Locator (and I think the Spiritual Teachers list...). We kept trying to dialogue there....... Shawn kept telling us.....stop it......that's not what this is for ... ... ... ... .., it's just to locate spiritual friends. Anyway, I kept checking in from time to time........ Thanks....... and welcome........ It's funny that I don't even know who Shawn is, and I keep frogetting ZD is spose to do some sort moderating or sumthin here. There never seems to be a need for moderating here, probly because no need is seen for it. Over at the Titanic, it took an army of moderators to keep everybody sufficiently intimidated to behave most of the time. (Much bigger ship, of course) It's even funnier that it was never intended to be a discussion forum. \ Fortunately, I don't have to do much moderating here. Everybody is pretty civil, and everyone seems to be chasing the same rainbow, or realizing they're already sitting on the pot of gold. LOL. In two years I've only had to throw three people off the board (for obscenity and/or spam), and occasionally I have had to move a thread to the marketing section when someone tried to use the discussion board to sell something. I do so little moderating that when I attempted to move the RT thread to the marketing section the other day, I couldn't even remember how to do it. Shawn will have to remind me about this one of these days. Overall, this is a pretty good forum with lots of serious seekers as well as lots of finders, even though there's nothing to find and no one to find it. Ha ha. We often quibble about trivialities, but most peeps who've been on this non-path for a while are pointing in the same direction (well, with the exception of Andrew, who points in lots of different directions), so hopefully newbies will read these posts and start noticing (a la Enigma) or seeing (a la Exactamente) or attending (a la ZD) or observing the observer (a la Tat) or doing something other than staying lost in thought. Judging from the posts and PM's, a lot of folks who visit here are finding out that there aren't two here. As one sage wrote on a temple door, "21,900 mornings in sixty years. Haven't you realized by now that its the same old fellow?" Now, back to your regularly scheduled program..........
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Pavlina
Dec 22, 2011 22:53:41 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Dec 22, 2011 22:53:41 GMT -5
It's even funnier that it was never intended to be a discussion forum. maybe that's the secret ingredient? over there it was just a huge posing machine (pavlina-speak: MY PERSONAL development) Yeah, I think he's done playing with his toys now. I might as well repost what is probly my final Titanic post to Steve: "One morning a couple of years ago, my lady Marie came into the living room and started pulling books off the bookshelf and throwing them on the floor. Every self help book, every 'make your life better' idea ever written. It took a little while but she was on a mission, so i sat and watched. When she was done, she turned to me and said: "Yeah, I get it now. None of this works. Nothing anybody has ever come up with works. We all know that because we all keep doing it and watching everybody else do it. It works for a while and then it doesn't. Then we get another damn book or go to another damn seminar. The human way doesn't work!" I started grinning and I couldn't stop. This was the turning point for her; one that most never get to their whole lives. The turning away from the next thing I can do to make myself happy. The next momentary satisfaction, the next long term goal. The beginning of the inevitable turning inward, hopefully not in a confused attempt to do battle with ego or mind, but to finally find out what in blazes is actually going on. The last two years for her have been a wild ride of terrifying, heartbreaking insight, an unimagined depth of feeling, the end of insomnia, panic, vulnerability, high blood pressure, sickness and the settling in of a Peace that passes all understanding. It's not the wimpy, weakling ride that those on the roller coaster would have it appear. It takes an astounding courage and a willingness to see the truth at all cost. There aren't too many books written about it, really, because nobody even knows they want that until they've had their fill of 'personal development' and get very clear that "The human way doesn't work." In many ways, this forum epitomizes what doesn't work, and yet the exploration is necessary and perfect, and it actually does seem to work for a while, but as Steve is slowly finding out, sooner or later everything fails to satisfy; everything must be burnt to ashes and left behind. It's a fitting end. The freedom that is sought is the freedom from the seeking itself. This can be a very long road and involve a lot of sadness for those who aren't quick enough to get out of our way."
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