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Post by Peter on Sept 30, 2008 7:21:45 GMT -5
I had a reply to make to Anonymous on the subject of anonymity, but I think I'll start a new thread 'cos this one is supposed to be about Louisville!
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Post by sophia on Sept 30, 2008 12:42:53 GMT -5
Peter/LightMystic, I must have been asleep when I read "13" as age instead of # of posts. I guess this is what my nosiness gets me.  |
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Post by lightmystic on Oct 1, 2008 10:40:13 GMT -5
Yes, my posts were 13 at the time. I'm a bit "older" now though. I always thought that the individual would completely vanish. I knew that there was this possibility where there was no more ego. I just knew that deep in my heart. I didn't know what it would be like because I wasn't there yet, but I knew it was possible. Then, one day I noticed that I was, as if, riding my thought process like a horse. So I got off the thought, and the horse-thought just continued away from me, and that was the end of individuality. No more person. No more ego. Finished. Done. No more edges within which to define person-ness, no more distinction from everything else. It is exactly the feeling, exactly the complete freedom of ego, that I knew was possible. And that is all that's going on, will go on, and has ever gone on. From that point on. If there is still a desire or reason to pretend to divide reality up into a relative projection, then it can be done. Frankly, the division is only for the sake of talking about it at this point. There is no more division, and so nothing to say. The individual-that-was is only in a world that's simply a projection of reality, with no inherent substance. So how real is the individual? Just as illusory as everything else. "I" is a feeling based on individuality. Before this shift there was a cosmic "I" which runs the span of the universe - unity with all things. All things were Self or I. But, as it turns out, that was still an individual, albeit one that encompassed the whole universe. The very idea of I had a "Self" component which meant there was a potential "not Self" component somewhere in the universe. The unity was not complete. Now, "I" vanished. But then, who is writing this? The easy answer is the same person who created this whole projection. No one. Wholeness. Nothing-ness. It's a paradox, it's a one way mirror. Makes perfect sense from my side, but you can only see yourselves reflected back, and so it can't make sense from the idea of a limited reality, because the whole premise of a limited reality is false. Fundamentally, the projection never arose at all. But then, something happened. The Nothingness became interested in the details of this projection and chose to discover itself everywhere, at finer and finer levels in this projection. In order to explain what I mean by that, we have to pretend for a moment, that the projection is real again. It isn't true, and it can never be unseen, but we have to pretend. Note that there is no reacquiring, and no confusing, in what I'm about to describe. Relativity is just a projection and the projection never happened. Period. We have to pretend because everything that comes next is about what is fundamentally illusion and so has no inherent truth: The re-looking at the "painting" of relativity as inspired artistic interest. If there's a separate reality, then an individuality can be located. The individual now knows that he's an illusion. Whoa...that takes some getting used to. Suddenly everything, including everything about the individual isn't real. This is the opportunity to re-examine life to sink into complete safety, and in a position that all the individual's desires can be fulfilled. This is an exciting prospect. But what are the individual's desires? This is the current exploration of the individual. So far, sharing compounds the joy for me the most. There is also a seeing of the complete Wholeness in finer and finer levels of reality. Everything is getting more and more concrete and physical. Issues are dropping away. I could go on and on about the details and the interestingness, but I won't do that right now. |
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Post by sophia on Oct 24, 2008 19:41:30 GMT -5
Hi Light,
Would you say that what you are experiencing is similar to apathy? Like, things don't matter as much as they used to?
I am not enlightened, but I have noticed that I find that I am not as pulled into things emotionally as I used to be. I don't know how to describe it. There have been a few times, though, that it seems as if I've gone into reverse and have allowed myself to be drawn into the drama.
I am not sure if this is something that happens to everyone as they get older, or if I'm so focused on spirituality that there is hardly room for anything else, or if it is truly a sign of progress.
What you've described sounds similar to something I've been doing lately. It used to be that I was thinking my thoughts, totally lost in them. Now I think my thoughts, but I know I'm thinking the thoughts. Grrr... I can't describe it. Maybe I should say that I'm watching my thoughts? Aware of them? It's not something that happens 24/7, though.
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Post by lightmystic on Oct 27, 2008 12:06:54 GMT -5
Well, it looks like I've already responded on a different post, no wonder I didn't remember answering that question. Even if you are not enlightened you appear very open, very clear, and very willing to work on yourself. If Enlightenment is really your sincere desire deep down, I can assure you that you can rest peacefully knowing it's not far off at all. Your description is beautiful, and though it seems hard to describe, you are very clear. Many spiritual teachers refer to the "watching thoughts" as Witnessing. It's a knowing, on some very quiet level, that you are something more subtle, something deeper, than the mind. Who is it that's watching these thoughts? Attending to this witness, allowing all this to pass and flow right through you helps clarify this witnessing experience. It does become 24/7 with time, which is what is a point I affectionately refer to as Awakening (or Waking Up). All that needs to happen for Awakening to happen is for you to realize that the field of pure Beingness, the field of Godly-ness (perhaps can be called God's essence) is who you are and have always been. An image that helped a friend of mine wake up is to imagine that you're taking your individualness, plucking it out of your body, and placing it in that ocean of Totalness described above. Can you allow yourself to be That? Can it be true that That is what you actually are? If there is any reason why that cannot be true, notice those reasons. The gentle noticing, without having to do anything or without them threatening you, even if it feels like they might threaten you on some level at first. Those reasons can gently fade, even if this takes a slight amount of time, and you will surely find yourself firmly established in awakening. It's simple, it's not necessarily flashy, and it's very natural. You might find that then the fun really begins, as your relationship with God really can get so amazingly intimate! Well, I hope that is helpful at all. Please let me know how it unfolds as your path is truly beautiful and inspiring. |
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Post by sophia on Nov 8, 2008 20:05:51 GMT -5
Light,
I apologize, I seem to have missed this message of yours from so many days ago.
After I watch a movie with my husband I'll come back and respond, but in accordance with Shawn's new message at the top of this sub-forum that we should post discussions in the discussion group. So, that is where I'll be when I respond!
Goodbye until then.
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Post by Hey fakes on Nov 20, 2009 8:38:40 GMT -5
FOLKS, ALL OF YOU TALK LOT ABOUT SPIRITUALITY AND ENLIGHTMENT... MAY I ASK YOU, DO ANYBODY EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS  ARE YOU PEOPLE ASHAMED OF ALL THIS RIDICULE??? THE BEST YOU PEOPLE CAN DO, GO TO SOME DISCO AND BE IN TRANCE, RATHER TRYING TO SUPPRESS YOU SEXUAL AND GREEDY FEELINGS.. ENLIGHTENMENT IS NOT YOUR CUP OF COFFE.. YOU ALL WILL NEVER EVER GONA COME NEAR THAT RANGE, BECAUSE OF THE SAMSKARA.. REMEMBER... SAMSKARA... TAKE CARE, BYE... |
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Post by Hey fakes on Nov 20, 2009 8:47:13 GMT -5
FOLKS, ALL OF YOU TALK LOT ABOUT SPIRITUALITY AND ENLIGHTMENT...
MAY I ASK YOU, DO ANYBODY EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS
ARE YOU PEOPLE ASHAMED OF ALL THIS RIDICULE???
THE BEST YOU PEOPLE CAN DO, GO TO SOME DISCO AND BE IN TRANCE, RATHER TRYING TO SUPPRESS YOU SEXUAL AND GREEDY FEELINGS.. ENLIGHTENMENT IS NOT YOUR CUP OF COFFE..
YOU ALL WILL NEVER EVER GONA COME NEAR THAT RANGE, BECAUSE OF THE SAMSKARA.. REMEMBER... SAMSKARA...
TAKE CARE,
BYE...
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Post by lightmystic on Nov 20, 2009 12:58:58 GMT -5
Hey Fakes, Read the other posts on the forum and decide for yourself who is legit. If you don't think someone who claims to be legit is legit, you can poke them. That's always helpful and what I would recommend. You are welcome to start with me if you like, but do it responding to the thread you are challenging or by starting one of your own. Best of luck. |
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Post by sophia on Nov 20, 2009 16:36:05 GMT -5
FOLKS, ALL OF YOU TALK LOT ABOUT SPIRITUALITY AND ENLIGHTMENT... MAY I ASK YOU, DO ANYBODY EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS ARE YOU PEOPLE ASHAMED OF ALL THIS RIDICULE??? THE BEST YOU PEOPLE CAN DO, GO TO SOME DISCO AND BE IN TRANCE, RATHER TRYING TO SUPPRESS YOU SEXUAL AND GREEDY FEELINGS.. ENLIGHTENMENT IS NOT YOUR CUP OF COFFE.. YOU ALL WILL NEVER EVER GONA COME NEAR THAT RANGE, BECAUSE OF THE SAMSKARA.. REMEMBER... SAMSKARA... TAKE CARE, BYE... I am not sure what "ridicule" you are speaking of, unless it is that which you have just dished out. But no, I'm not ashamed. Going into trance at a disco is only an alternate state of consciousness, a heightened experience. It is not what I would consider enlightenment. I think you should base your judgment of anyone on reading more than the few posts you see here, not to mention the posts in this thread are over a year old and chances are some of us have progressed. Kindly, -sophia |
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Post by lightmystic on Nov 20, 2009 20:05:39 GMT -5
Well said Sophia. Nice to see you!
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Post by sophia on Nov 20, 2009 23:18:20 GMT -5
Hi LightMystic, Thanks. It's nice to see you, too. I see I have a lot of catching up to do. |
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Post by Peter on Nov 24, 2009 8:50:39 GMT -5
Welcome back Sophia.
Have your Seekings been fruitful?
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Post by sophia on Nov 28, 2009 0:19:08 GMT -5
Hi Peter, Oh have they ever. I do not know how far along the path I am, but I do know I am farther along than where I was at this time last year. To me it seems like I am leaps and bounds ahead of where I was, but perhaps in the grand scheme of things I am only baby steps ahead. To the most enlightened I may seem to possess only the consciousness of a plant, but I think before I had only that of a rock. Progress, progress.... I chose to follow a path of ancient mystery schools. We know many paths lead to the same Source but I was attracted by the symbolism at first, and then more. I like that musty old feel of alchemy, astrology, Kabbalah, etc. And, I am very much interested in the metaphysical. It's good to see you again. How goes your journey? Where has it taken you? |
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Post by Peter on Nov 30, 2009 8:09:55 GMT -5
In any measurable thing there will always be someone with more and someone with less. So I don't know that it's helpful to measure your progress against anything other than yourself. It's good to hear you feel things are moving along.
My Journey goes well. I've come from a place of having my 'ordinary' life separate to my 'spiritual' life (eg I'm "being spiritual" when I'm on my meditation stool or on retreat), to a place where everything is both. Someone gave me a suggestion of looking back at your day as if it were a dream. Take everything that happens in it, and consider the deeper symbolism of each event. I found that helpful.
I'm looking less at the esoteric at the moment, and a bit more at my own behaviour. I'm particularly looking to develop qualities of empathy and humility which I think I lack.
The IChing said something like "It's important to allow the world to influence you. It does not further (there is no point in) talking to someone who cannot be influenced" and I've very much taken that to heart - moving more into a mindset of life student and allowing the world to give me it's lessons; trying to have the humility to listen - and hear - when I'm told that I'm wrong.
Having Children (two, one of each) has been really good for this mundane flavour of Spiritual Development. When you have two instead of one, there is an absolute minimum of time for 'doing your own thing' and I find that my ability to live my life as Service To Others has improved, but that's involved periods of resentment. But then if I can't (or am unwilling) to serve my family, what use can I be in service to the world at large? I think a large part of the resentment is that there is no recognition (in the wider sense) for doing housework, so that's been interesting getting a sense of Service without "payment" - which is true service. Probably.
I was thinking about what I believe the other day (eg Hyperdimensional influences) and came up with a quote to put on my Facebook page, but decided it was too pretentious for general release: How can you believe in that which cannot been seen, when you're in denial about that which is plain to see?
Take care,
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