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Post by joel on Jan 31, 2012 0:39:56 GMT -5
I never hesitate to jump right in when something interests me, and this place does. I hope I can offer something in return.
In 1998 I spent two months with a Master in India. I was already on the path, but came back to the U.S. as if I had done a slingshot around the moon. I had a shift of awareness, and the certainty that I was fully in the present moment, in 2000. Life was effortless but only for 6 months, then the desires came surging back and I "lost it." Occasionaly I've wondered what happened, but now I only know I have to get it back and make it stick. Reading Suzanne Segal's story made my head throb with familiartity. Going to satsangs in the last few weeks, and stopping work to rekindle my desire for desirelessness, meditating, making connections for support, finding this Board, is there room for a discussion about...opening to infinity right now, or very soon, and sharing the highlights? I know, it's crazy, but also the only thing that's not crazy. What if sharing it on the deepest level possible is not just about the work, but is actually an integral part of the work? We will see...hope you will tolerate me for a while.
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Post by arisha on Jan 31, 2012 6:31:07 GMT -5
Better don't plan awakening. It will change nothing. Don't waste your time on it.
I was playing these games long ago, started having all kinds of siddhi, all my dreams came true, and I met a guy who happened to be a psychic - a telepathist, clairvoyant, distant healer and hypnotizer. He had made a telepathic Channel to me, and it was awesome at the beginning of it, but then it turned out that he was a psychic-sadist, he started torturing me on the Channel, and I don't know how to get rid of him and this Channel now. NOBODY can help me.
You can never know what may happen on this path. The guy claimed he taught only about God, and I thought I was on the spiritual path and was protected. Then he had made that trick with the Channel, without my consent, and it is still here, against my will. NOTHING can be done now. The guy doesn't want to stop having his fun.
Let my story teach a lesson to you. Better don't play those games. Don't trust those Masters. They are humans, - not Gods, and not Saints. I've made my investigation, and I haven't found a single Master who can be really trusted. Let them make their shows about who they are. I'd stay alone forever without such a Master, but the thing is, you will immediately find them, or they will find you if you go far enough. There will be nothing good about it, believe me.
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Post by zendancer on Jan 31, 2012 9:02:45 GMT -5
I never hesitate to jump right in when something interests me, and this place does. I hope I can offer something in return. In 1998 I spent two months with a Master in India. I was already on the path, but came back to the U.S. as if I had done a slingshot around the moon. I had a shift of awareness, and the certainty that I was fully in the present moment, in 2000. Life was effortless but only for 6 months, then the desires came surging back and I "lost it." Occasionaly I've wondered what happened, but now I only know I have to get it back and make it stick. Reading Suzanne Segal's story made my head throb with familiartity. Going to satsangs in the last few weeks, and stopping work to rekindle my desire for desirelessness, meditating, making connections for support, finding this Board, is there room for a discussion about...opening to infinity right now, or very soon, and sharing the highlights? I know, it's crazy, but also the only thing that's not crazy. What if sharing it on the deepest level possible is not just about the work, but is actually an integral part of the work? We will see...hope you will tolerate me for a while. Joel: In Suzanne's book she says that the most common complaint she heard was from people who had had big experiences of unity consciousness, then lost it, and were trying to get it back. Go read the advice she had for such people. You currently think that you had a shift in awareness and then lost it, but that is not true. "You" never had anything happen to you because who you think you are does not exist. Who you think you are is a figment of imagination. An imaginary person cannot have experiences and cannot wake up. Who you really are is what all universes appear within--THIS. Attend what is happening in the present moment. Everything you are looking for is here and now. The only illusion you must penetrate is the illusion that you are an entity that is separate from the totality of "what is." Go read what Suzzane wrote about this. |
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Post by zendancer on Jan 31, 2012 9:06:50 GMT -5
Better don't plan awakening. It will change nothing. Don't waste your time on it. I was playing these games long ago, started having all kinds of siddhi, all my dreams came true, and I met a guy who happened to be a psychic - a telepathist, clairvoyant, distant healer and hypnotizer. He had made a telepathic Channel to me, and it was awesome at the beginning of it, but then it turned out that he was a psychic-sadist, he started torturing me on the Channel, and I don't know how to get rid of him and this Channel now. NOBODY can help me. You can never know what may happen on this path. The guy claimed he taught only about God, and I thought I was on the spiritual path and was protected. Then he had made that trick with the Channel, without my consent, and it is still here, against my will. NOTHING can be done now. The guy doesn't want to stop having his fun. Let my story teach a lesson to you. Better don't play those games. Don't trust those Masters. They are humans, - not Gods, and not Saints. I've made my investigation, and I haven't found a single Master who can be really trusted. Let them make their shows about who they are. I'd stay alone forever without such a Master, but the thing is, you will immediately find them, or they will find you if you go far enough. There will be nothing good about it, believe me. Arisha: Read my response to Joel on this thread. It also applies to you. You are right when you say, "Nobody can help me," because who you think you are does not exist and cannot be helped. If you can penetrate the illusion that you are a separate entity, you will realize that nothing can hurt the real you. The real you needs no help of any kind. |
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Post by arisha on Jan 31, 2012 14:15:32 GMT -5
Better don't plan awakening. It will change nothing. Don't waste your time on it. I was playing these games long ago, started having all kinds of siddhi, all my dreams came true, and I met a guy who happened to be a psychic - a telepathist, clairvoyant, distant healer and hypnotizer. He had made a telepathic Channel to me, and it was awesome at the beginning of it, but then it turned out that he was a psychic-sadist, he started torturing me on the Channel, and I don't know how to get rid of him and this Channel now. NOBODY can help me. You can never know what may happen on this path. The guy claimed he taught only about God, and I thought I was on the spiritual path and was protected. Then he had made that trick with the Channel, without my consent, and it is still here, against my will. NOTHING can be done now. The guy doesn't want to stop having his fun. Let my story teach a lesson to you. Better don't play those games. Don't trust those Masters. They are humans, - not Gods, and not Saints. I've made my investigation, and I haven't found a single Master who can be really trusted. Let them make their shows about who they are. I'd stay alone forever without such a Master, but the thing is, you will immediately find them, or they will find you if you go far enough. There will be nothing good about it, believe me. Arisha: Read my response to Joel on this thread. It also applies to you. You are right when you say, "Nobody can help me," because who you think you are does not exist and cannot be helped. If you can penetrate the illusion that you are a separate entity, you will realize that nothing can hurt the real you. The real you needs no help of any kind. You are right that the real me needs no help of any kind. But the thing is that my illusional me suffers from that guy right now, here, in the present moment. And it happens to be much more important for me than all those speculations about my real me. Doesn't matter for me that who I think I am doesn't exist. It still suffers from the pains that guy makes me feel using his psychic abilities. And "who I think I am" which, sure, doesn't exist, FEELS these pains right here, right now, in the present moment. This is how this guy is having his fun. So, playing the games with what various authors write in their books can be not something you are searching for. Those authors either have never been awakened themselves, just can say interesting stories, - or they don't believe in this stuff, just make money with their books. |
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Post by joel on Feb 1, 2012 1:19:39 GMT -5
Thanks for welcoming me here! My introductory paragraph mst have contained something to get replies from someone trying to scare me with the bogeyman, and a Zen master cracking my head with a stick and sending me off to do more reading. My truth is, I don't need more reading, and I'm not afraid of the bogeyman. I simply came here to enter a discussion about profound matters that, I know, defy words, but that's all we have. I speak Enlightenese. There's no doubt I will awaken, the desire for desirelessness is becoming the focus, and it occurs to me that I am better off connecting with others who have gone there ahead of me. No thanks to the scary story, the reading assignment, or the big stick! lol
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Post by arisha on Feb 1, 2012 3:16:15 GMT -5
Nobody tries to scare you.
My story is a real story, I just shared it with you. Is it my fault that it's a story that may scare? To be awakened means to be ready for any story, such a story like mine is just one of them, not all stories are good and funny, with a happy end. I shared it because you said that you "never hesitate to jump right in", - it triggered to share my story, and it was a mistake as I can see it now. Take it easy, ok?
I think this story doesn't interfere with the discussion of the profound matters, but vice versa.
What is awakening ? Do you think you'll be able to be desireless? Why do you want it? To be able to avoid suffering? It's impossible. You, like any living being, has the instinct to survive, it doesn't allow to avoid suffering. Think about it by yourself, without the authors of the books who are making money using your interest in spirituality.
Awakening means living without the desire of awakening. The sooner you stop looking for awakening the sooner you have it. That's why I said : don't waste your time on it. The shortest way to have it is to follow Yama/Niyama. Just be honest always. For ex., ask yourself: Why do I want awakening? - and try to answer the question. Be honest with yourself. Check it out if you can be always honest. Listen to yourself if you are always honest or not. If you develop this ability more and more, you will be able to understand more and more.
I know, you don't like my advice, you prefer something maybe more interesting, and more resonating with you. But it's like that only at the beginning. You will understand later that everything is resonating, not only what is similar to your personal vibes.
I think it is better not to waste the time for waiting when everything starts resonating, and choose the shortest way.
But you may think differently.
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Post by joel on Feb 1, 2012 10:12:38 GMT -5
Zendancer: On further thought, I'm not looking for awakening, and I am not complaining. I know how to awaken and I will. I'm looking for someone who has mastered it who will get to know me enough so I will have support when it happens. Teachers I've met recently don't have capacity, and that's why I'm trolling around here. I exalt you for helping me attempt to share this with fewer words and more clarification (just like Zen!).
Arish, I exalted you for saying "nobody tries to scare you" when in fact, I the only fear I have is that when I realize, I will be alone. Not my awareness, but the mind and body. That which does not exist can use support from another figment. I also respect your story, and very sorry if I didn't show that. Thanks for helping me be clear that I don't have any fears, except this one that I won't have sufficient company. I can assert that is the only fear holding me back.
I'm interesting in squeezing as much as I can out of what is offered here, and see how far and deep it can go.
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Post by zendancer on Feb 1, 2012 12:03:17 GMT -5
Zendancer: On further thought, I'm not looking for awakening, and I am not complaining. I know how to awaken and I will. I'm looking for someone who has mastered it who will get to know me enough so I will have support when it happens. Teachers I've met recently don't have capacity, and that's why I'm trolling around here. I exalt you for helping me attempt to share this with fewer words and more clarification (just like Zen!). Arish, I exalted you for saying "nobody tries to scare you" when in fact, I the only fear I have is that when I realize, I will be alone. Not my awareness, but the mind and body. That which does not exist can use support from another figment. I also respect your story, and very sorry if I didn't show that. Thanks for helping me be clear that I don't have any fears, except this one that I won't have sufficient company. I can assert that is the only fear holding me back. I'm interesting in squeezing as much as I can out of what is offered here, and see how far and deep it can go. No problemo, but here's a point of clarification. No one "masters" awakening. Awakening is the realization that there is no separate entity who might master anything just as there is no separate entity who can wake up. FWIW, when selfhood is seen through, life will be just like it is now, but without any expectation that it ought to be different. Cheers. |
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Post by sharon on Feb 1, 2012 12:20:07 GMT -5
Hi Arisha Please don't be angry at Joel, you may think that you posted this troublesome experience because of his post, though you didn't. You posted it because you need help to make this experience end. Right so you have made this statement. So from one perspective, you already know that there isn't anybody else that can help you with this except yourself. And from another perspective you are asking for the transparency of no-one to be explained properly. Now, if we imagine the brain as a radio ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio... that is capable of receiving a wondrous amount of information simultaneously. Only the data that is received by 'someone' can be consciously received and decoded. Realistically the brain is always receiving data from it's environment and this includes the body. Most of this happens automatically. The portal that this man opened for you with your initial permission, now needs to be closed yeah? Though first you must regain and strengthen your own emotional power about it. Then he had made that trick with the Channel, without my consent, and it is still here, against my will. NOTHING can be done now. The guy doesn't want to stop having his fun. I would like you and need you, to rearrange and rephrase this sentence from a grown woman's perspective. |
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Post by arisha on Feb 2, 2012 0:25:17 GMT -5
Arish, I exalted you for saying "nobody tries to scare you" when in fact, I the only fear I have is that when I realize, I will be alone. Not my awareness, but the mind and body. That which does not exist can use support from another figment. I also respect your story, and very sorry if I didn't show that. Thanks for helping me be clear that I don't have any fears, except this one that I won't have sufficient company. I can assert that is the only fear holding me back. I'm interesting in squeezing as much as I can out of what is offered here, and see how far and deep it can go. Alone? Why? Desirelessness is not possible. Your body will desire to be alive always. This primary instinct is rooted in the subconscious mind. If complete desirelesness is not possible, complete awakening is also not possible. What degree of the so called awakening is a valid state of awakening? It depends on your answer : Why do you want awakening? The degree of it can be 1% or 99%. Any degree can be valid for you personally. You can feel like 99% with 1% degree, or like 1% with 99% degree. Depends on your aim. |
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Post by arisha on Feb 2, 2012 0:35:49 GMT -5
Hi Arisha Please don't be angry at Joel, you may think that you posted this troublesome experience because of his post, though you didn't. You posted it because you need help to make this experience end. Right so you have made this statement. So from one perspective, you already know that there isn't anybody else that can help you with this except yourself. And from another perspective you are asking for the transparency of no-one to be explained properly. Now, if we imagine the brain as a radio ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio... that is capable of receiving a wondrous amount of information simultaneously. Only the data that is received by 'someone' can be consciously received and decoded. Realistically the brain is always receiving data from it's environment and this includes the body. Most of this happens automatically. The portal that this man opened for you with your initial permission, now needs to be closed yeah? Though first you must regain and strengthen your own emotional power about it. Then he had made that trick with the Channel, without my consent, and it is still here, against my will. NOTHING can be done now. The guy doesn't want to stop having his fun. I would like you and need you, to rearrange and rephrase this sentence from a grown woman's perspective. I don't know what you mean by rephrasing the sentence from a grown woman's perspective? As for the reasons I've posted my story, - no, it is not about help, because I know that it is not possible to help in my case. I've already tried, nothing works. I've posted to share the information. What may happen with the search. |
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Post by sharon on Feb 2, 2012 3:10:54 GMT -5
Hi Arisha Please don't be angry at Joel, you may think that you posted this troublesome experience because of his post, though you didn't. You posted it because you need help to make this experience end. Right so you have made this statement. So from one perspective, you already know that there isn't anybody else that can help you with this except yourself. And from another perspective you are asking for the transparency of no-one to be explained properly. Now, if we imagine the brain as a radio ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio... that is capable of receiving a wondrous amount of information simultaneously. Only the data that is received by 'someone' can be consciously received and decoded. Realistically the brain is always receiving data from it's environment and this includes the body. Most of this happens automatically. The portal that this man opened for you with your initial permission, now needs to be closed yeah? Though first you must regain and strengthen your own emotional power about it. I would like you and need you, to rearrange and rephrase this sentence from a grown woman's perspective. I don't know what you mean by rephrasing the sentence from a grown woman's perspective? As for the reasons I've posted my story, - no, it is not about help, because I know that it is not possible to help in my case. I've already tried, nothing works. I've posted to share the information. What may happen with the search. You have the solution already, you're just a little full of the idea that you don't. Trying to put a curtain over a broken window, will end. |
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Post by joel on Feb 2, 2012 11:20:21 GMT -5
Sharon thanks for your wisdom. And Zen thanks again for the zen stick, and also the wisdom lol. It's good to face the emptiness of my words, it forces the mind to spin itself down. I've done 12 gatherings (not qualifying as satsangs) and 3 teachers (none were effective), in the 3 months since returning attention to seeking. Discernment is the lowest mind, but needed right now, after 12 years off. I'm just scraping the surface, time to stop telling stories about the past? It's time to get some whacks.
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Post by arisha on Feb 2, 2012 13:36:07 GMT -5
I don't know what you mean by rephrasing the sentence from a grown woman's perspective? As for the reasons I've posted my story, - no, it is not about help, because I know that it is not possible to help in my case. I've already tried, nothing works. I've posted to share the information. What may happen with the search. You have the solution already, you're just a little full of the idea that you don't. Trying to put a curtain over a broken window, will end. But the thing is I don't want to end it. And it is not my wish, but the result of the hypnotic suggestions he can make distantly. I understand that I should end this Channel (mentally), but he makes me feel differently by means of suggestions. He uses this feeling (created by him with suggestions) to be able to continue. He uses hypnosis, illegally, against my will. I could move away from the place, but I cannot escape from the Telepathic Channel he is making to me! |
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