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Post by Peter on Feb 6, 2012 5:53:08 GMT -5
It's just that 4 days ago you made a statement to the effect that you're being controlled against your will by telepathic hypnosis. That seems like quite a big deal to me.
Is dealing with that immediate situation not a top priority for you? What is your inner guru saying about it?
The thing is that one of the possible dangers in "killing the ego" and being all about serving others is that you can make yourself quite vulnerable to people/entities who want to make use of that, make use of you.
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Post by Peter on Feb 6, 2012 5:35:46 GMT -5
I would also say that we are called to seek and work towards the good, and even the enlightened are called in that way. Interesting. Who or what is it that you think is doing the calling? |
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Post by Peter on Feb 6, 2012 4:47:10 GMT -5
Arisha, I thought your own channel was causing you psychological distress? How are you feeling about that guy today? Are you OK with sensing the difference between him and sources that have your best interests at heart? Take care, you sound like you're in bit of a pickle there. Peter |
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Post by Peter on Feb 6, 2012 4:35:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that. Here's my take, you guys, E & E, just aren't serious. You're here for the kicks and giggles and fun. It's not pretty. Well they're certainly not serious (God help anyone who can't see the humour in the Human Condition), but I don't think saying they're here for the kicks is fair. As I see it, Enigma does at least try and point in the direction of the Truth as he sees it. Which is what Steven is doing and also what I'm doing now. That's pretty much what most people spend their time doing - trying to get others to "see it" how they see it. That's religion for you. adding a strawman of attacking the character of the other person Ahh now, that would be an Ad Hominem attack. I found you a list of Fallacious Arguments that you might find useful in your (apparent) current chosen career. Lol... And now, me posting your guys downgrading posts has turned into me downgrading you guys out of an inferiority complex? You do sort of draw that on yourself when you act out at length to prove what your "credentials" are that make you "at least an equal". That analogy you made of likening E&E to the Popular (but unpleasant) High School Girls clique does work well here. Can you see what your role would be in that drama? It's like you're screaming "Like Me! Respect Me! Damn you all!". I just don't see how that approach can ever work. In the movie, that kid says "sod 'em" and goes off and does whatever it is they want to actually do with their lives. Just curious, why is pointing out and calling for the end of condescending and bullying tactics by a small group of posters against many other posters "SO Wrong" Ah no, that in of itself is not wrong. Hey, you have a point here which is at least valid enough to be worth considering - I myself will be watching Enigma's posts more closely in future and asking myself if he's being naughty or nice. It's the VOLUME Steven, it's the post after post after post of you complaining about what other people are doing. It's your trying to PROVE them into being wrong and apparently being unable to see your own ... character failings while you're about it. Your recent...complaints...have got very personal and have been in no way light hearted. I pointed out that adding "LOL" to a post in no way alters it's energetic content or emotional flavour - it just adds confusion. Have you tried taking your evidence to Zendancer? That is what he's here for (ZD, you're welcome). If someone is genuinely making the board an unpleasant place for users then he's obliged to step in. Why wouldn't a rational person find the constant bullying and condescending remarks themselves to be "so wrong"? Because I don't generally find them to be personal attacks - mostly their points are aimed at an idea or ideal that the poster is holding on to. This is surely the one place where the stripping away of attachments to ideas is a Good Thing? And if the poster takes offense to that, that would suggest to me that they're holding on to their sacred cow. You know, whenever someone says "I am THIS", someone will say "No you're not". Look at Bill Gates, he gets called The Antichrist. So you can either: - Argue the point.
- Not set yourself up in the first place
- Ignore it
- Take an honest look in the mirror to see in what way that person might be right.
Well I can't think of a way to actually help here, so I'll just leave you with a bit of Aretha: |
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2012 20:55:10 GMT -5
Jeez, Steven, it's "Hubris"
Oh I'm going to bed. This thread is just wrong on SO many levels.
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2012 20:40:36 GMT -5
Wow....you pull that out, and miss the whole point of me saying that enigma and exactemente's hubrous at dismissing other peoples views in light of the people they are relating with is astounding I didn't miss it, per se, I just didn't feel very strongly about it. But I did have a reaction to you announcing that your IQ is 160ish. And you accuse THEM of HUBRIS ?!? If you wish to take a few sentences out of context and make some differant strawman point than the one I was making, knock yourself out. I don't need to make a straw man out of your point because I'm not trying to argue for or against it. I think you need to take a break and go for a walk. Breathe. I'm guessing this chain of smear campaign threads is just Steven trying to let go of his carefully crafted teacher persona. "Let go of" isn't quite the word. Kaboom! Charlie Sheen should be taking notes. |
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2012 20:10:55 GMT -5
I have an IQ of 160 ish, I'm one of the leading people in my professional field in the world, I've spent over 20 years having the spiritual enquiry be the center of my life, I have explored and experienced in almost every way possible on this path and reside in alert still silent empty nature without getting absorbed in the mind movements that still arise... I've studied the teaching of almost every system from every tradition and not just studied them but practiced them and reverse engineered them from the basest of mind absorption to the ultimate clarity of essential empty nature...  Oh, the humanity! |
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2012 14:51:42 GMT -5
Don't worry, when enigma gets too much negative attention on his negativity he marches out a poetic post or some stuff about his satsangs with his disfunctional wife that he is saving, and all is right with the world ;D It's not him I'm worried about as I'm sure you realise. He's quite happy with himself (a point that I'm sure you've already made  ). It's you that seems unhappy. Is this really how you want to be spending the hours and minutes of your life? Is this a duty for you - trying to teach the cigarette man? Or is it everyone else that you're performing this service for - showing the boogy man up for what he is? Can you try saying "F___ him, let him hold on to whatever delusions of attainment he wants to" ? In a mirror. Allow him to Be what he is - annoying and smug and misguided and irritating as that might be? |
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2012 14:39:08 GMT -5
What are you doing here Steven? Really, what are you trying to achieve?
Look, you've obviously got a lot of energy and you want to help, and there are people here who find you helpful? So why not focus on that, and stop .... well I'm not even sure what you're trying to do here.
There's an "Ignore" function somewhere, why don't you try that?
You're currently being very negative about someone elses negativity....it's....it just seems like you're losing perspective here?
Edit: Nope, there used to be an "ignore" option but it doesn't seem to be active anymore. You'll just have to use the manual work-around on that one.
Edit 2: You're hitting 2500 posts today. Happy birthday. In 5 months, that's an average of 16.7 posts per day, 7 days a week. And they called Bach prolific!
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2012 14:10:00 GMT -5
I think someone will accuse him of contradicting himself. What a negative, nasty, ugly person you can be sometimes.... THAT you call nasty? Pull yourself together man, get some perspective. I thought you'd served in the army? |
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2012 12:55:57 GMT -5
From Jerry's Site: Hmm, trying to hold on to the high and re-gain those peaks? This was my experience of "The Landmark Forum" was that you did come out of it feeling incredibly alive and connected. But it was a high, and when people come down from it they tend to sign up for the next program. Landmark were big on their sales pitch, and phoning you back again and again. Having said that, a couple of friends of mine really got into it and they seem to be communicating really well with each other, very open and honest. |
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2012 12:49:48 GMT -5
He is instead a guru in the modern world. Enjoying humanity's modern fruits, and observing the situation as we create it. What an amusing phrase. So like, he's bought himself an iPad or is it more sinister than that? I attended a 4 day seminar at EST's successor "The Landmark Forum" and I did get a lot out of it, including a once in a lifetime psychotic episode, but overall positive. It was a bit focussed on "how to get what you want" ie based in materialism for my liking and if Jerry subsequently went into Sales (as did the Forum leader that took my course) then ... well, I was going to say he sounds like he's now seen the emptiness of materialism, but there's that line about enjoying fruit. I'll read further... |
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2012 12:32:36 GMT -5
Sorry, not sure I'm picking you up right here. Are you saying that neither being smiled at or being kicked has any meaning, and in fact they have even less meaning that Karma points, which are meaningless to begin with? ... Ahh good, glad I checked. I'd very much agree both smiles and kicks are more meaningful than Karma points. I would say that that Karma points are not arbitrary in that I think for the most part they reflect the true reaction of the reader - irritation, gladness, etc. But that they are arbitrary in the sense that that reaction may have nothing whatsover with the point the original poster was trying to make or where they were coming from. I asked a meditation teacher about "meaning" once, and he said something that I've taken onboard which is that such things (actually in that particular case 'life's purpose') don't have any real or intrinsic meaning; they just have the meaning that we ourselves assign them. So the question isn't so much "are they meaningful" as "are they meaningful to you?". I do like to ask myself "what exactly is anoying me here?" before I hit the smite button as of course me hitting it will say more about me than it does about the poster. Although of course there are the days when I just think "vagina" and hit the button. If someone is smiting Enigma as a "social experiment" rather than as a good old fashioned grudge, then IMHO I really don't think he cares and it'll be a cold day in hell before he expresses any frustration about it. There are other posters on the board I think would crack way way sooner, with far more enjoyable results. EDIT: LOL. Thought that particular swear word I was trying for was too British to be picked up by an American site, BIWW. The original started with a "T" if anyone was wondering. |
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2012 12:08:16 GMT -5
Is a smile from a stranger meaningless, MaxP? Is a kick on the shin? . Sorry, not sure I'm picking you up right here. Are you saying that neither being smiled at or being kicked has any meaning, and in fact they have even less meaning that Karma points, which are meaningless to begin with? |
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Post by Peter on Feb 5, 2012 12:00:17 GMT -5
kick in the pants could help In what way? Since going off topic is probably a good thing for this particular thread, I'll just mention that I'm reading Pema Chodron's Places That Scare You. Not sure I'd jump up and down to recomment it, but it's a good introduction to - and practices related to - the Four Limitless Qualities although it only seems to be Pema that calls them that. When I first came across them they were in the guise of the Brahmaviharas but fair play to Pema for making them more accessible in the West. She also talks about the "near and far" enemies of each which is, like, the near enemy is something you might confuse eg confusing pity for compassion, and the far enemy is just the downright opposite of what you're trying to cultivate; like jealousy instead of sympathetic joy. What struck me is how many references there were to Pema Chodron in Absolutely Fabulous - especially to the practice of Tonglen, although it was never named as such. "In with Anger, out with Love, sweetie". British Comedy Drama at it's very best. |
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