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Post by Peter on Feb 7, 2012 15:41:45 GMT -5
I think I get it, now, Steve. Still putting some of the missing pieces, together, but I think I see what you're saying, which is, I think, that it's ALL ego. OK it's All Ego. Well almost all - I'm sure a see a smattering of compassion here and there. The question for me is: is allowing your ego to act out while claiming to have no attachment to it evidence of sound teaching, or is it just another trick of the ego being in control while pretending not to be? I don't think it's a coincidence that this particular move is ranked #1 in the official list of World's Saddest Internet Argument Techniques. So now I'm confused. Is Beingist giving SC an honorable get out clause because he (Beingist) is working at an impressive level of compassion? Or does he genuinely think SC is playing the long game here? Beingist, could you spell it out for me please because I'm not up there with the Big Guns of Understanding. Are you saying you believe any of these things to be true: 1. That Steve has been simulating an Ego running amok for the last few days as a carefully considered excercise in teaching about Ego. 2. That Steve has allowed his Ego to run amok while at the same time being completely unattached to that Ego. And that he could take control over his Ego at any time, but chooses not to, because his ego draws out other egos which makes for Good Teaching. 3. That Steve has no control whatsoever over his Ego, and this tells us (or rather, you) something about Egos that means that Steve's credentials as a Spiritual Teacher remain intact. |
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Post by Peter on Feb 7, 2012 13:36:17 GMT -5
A good story that we can use to make sense of holding on to our other stories almost always feels good. Oh no my boy, you're not getting off this hook. When I'm right I know I'm right - balls to bones as the Matrix Oracle says. Well, except when I'm wrong. But I got an energy zap all the way to my ankles and all the hairs stood up on my arms, so I'm Highly Confident I've hit this one bullseye. You've spent SO much time hunting down and cutting and pasting evidence of E&E bullying. Spend me 1 minute and find a post you've made that shows ANY evidence of a sense of humour. I double dare you. 2610 posts, loads to choose from. Hey, I've spent all day thinking about you. Not many men I can say that about. |
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Post by Peter on Feb 7, 2012 13:18:35 GMT -5
OMG, Epiphany. Of the realisation kind, rather than January 6. You actually have no sense of humour. Some one said that to me when you first arrived and I thought they meant it as a relative thing - like you don't have a finely tuned sense of humour, or a very good sense of humour. But in fact it's an absolute thing. You really don't. This explains so much. That's why your LOLing and HeHeHe'ing has always felt...off somehow. That's why when you tried retaliating to Exactemete I asked if you'd been drinking, because he's funny and - sorry, but you're just not. When you try it comes over as forced, unnatural, alien. At no point can I think of you saying anything even slightly funny. So you really don't see what E & E does in the same light as many of us here - although I know there are other people who agree with you. You don't see the lightness, the (gentle) smile behind the words. I thought I'd find an accepted medical term for your condition, but I'm very surprised that it doesn't seem to exist. I'll be campaigning to have it included in DSM-V. This totally explains why you're so desperate to be seen as the teacher and Be Respected, because you're unable to laugh at yourself, to join in the absurdity of the Human Condition. Wow. Understanding. I feel good. |
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Post by Peter on Feb 7, 2012 13:05:25 GMT -5
I'm tempted to bully someone just to save your nose hairs.  Sorry, wasn't clear. The nose hairs will be plucked should an apology not be forthcoming. You'd be doing my wife a favour. |
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Post by Peter on Feb 7, 2012 12:50:44 GMT -5
Does it extend not forcing child molesters to stop, or murderers and rapists to stop, or is it systimatic demeaning and bullying of folks that is your line? Oh Crikey, a variant of Reductio ad Hitlerum. How easy it must be for you to live in such a Black and White world, Steven. It must make picking out fabrics a doddle. OK, OK. The next time I see the Enigma Exactamente gestalt entity say ANYTHING that I consider either demeaning OR bullying OR BOTH then I will make a stand with you and DEMAND that they apologise. Otherwise I will start plucking out my nose hairs one by one. On the hour, every hour. Can you breathe out now? |
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Post by Peter on Feb 7, 2012 12:29:04 GMT -5
This is not complicated....when I read through here, and see no underhanded jibes, or story telling designed to subversively demean other posters or their views from enigma/Exactemente I will leave them alone, barring that or me getting booted from the forum it's not going to stop while I am still reading demeaning posts directed at any human being (myself or otherwise) from him.
So my advice, is to either campaign to have me booted from here, or turn your attention toward getting enigma/Exactemente to stop demeaning fellow human beings, there insights, or views, on a consistant basis. Does it have to be an either / or thing? The thing is that forcing other people to behave in one way or another is against the Constitution of the United Mind-States of Peter. But setting up a poll to get you kicked off .... amusingly tempting though that option is .... isn't really my bag either - lacks compassion. Can you not just go for a walk and relax about it? I assume not. But you're not attached to anything, no siree Bob. Talking of which, care to throw your hat in ring, Big Man? I know you're reading this. Oh yes you are. I haven't see One Who Has Attained go this far off the rails since Lord SwamiCollins left the board in oooh, the end of 2008 I think it was. |
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Post by Peter on Feb 7, 2012 12:05:12 GMT -5
Haha, the bully is crying fowl...which makes you kinda a chiggy wiggy weasely bully doesn't it? Maybe one with lipstick?
If you are going to be a bully, at least man up when bullied back eh?
Take what ya dish out like man, or at least like a purple gorrilla riding a triumphant Girraffe with lipstick eh? Acting like a weasel with lipstick is beneath your purply gorilla-esc majesty isn't it? Have you been drinking? |
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Post by Peter on Feb 7, 2012 11:57:16 GMT -5
Steven, it's painfully obvious that you're not able to listen to a single word being said to you that doesn't fit with your take on what's happening here.
Is there someone else in your life - a friend maybe - who's opinion you respect enough to listen to and who's enough of a real friend to tell you when you're wrong?
If so, could you send them a link to this thread and just ask them to be brutally honest with you about what they think of it?
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Post by Peter on Feb 7, 2012 4:38:43 GMT -5
Just for the record, not that my opinion counts for a hill of beans, but I in no way think/believe/agree that Exactamente and Enigma are the same person. Writing style very very different. Sense of humour very different. I've been reading Enigma's posts since the day he started here and I just don't think he needs to use a sock puppet to make his points.
You know, it's not good to have too much time on your hands thinking and writing. Those little thinking wheels just start flying around faster and faster.
Ah, ho ho, and there go my karma points. In a FLASH too, someone must have a lot of socks in their drawer. Ahh well, easy come, easy go. Only took me 3 and a half years to get to 10. Would the person who did that like to PRETEND they're on the spiritual path just for a day and talk to me about it?
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Post by Peter on Feb 7, 2012 4:22:20 GMT -5
Are you looking at my spoon?
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Post by Peter on Feb 7, 2012 4:16:55 GMT -5
Well a good night's sleep and... dear lord, it's not got any prettier here now has it?
What you're not seeing Steven is that you're providing all the energy for this thread. If you weren't posting, nobody would be replying, well, I wouldn't. I know me typing is utterly utterly pointless; you're not going to hear a word I'm saying. Sometimes these things just have to play themselves out.
A couple of things came to me this morning (and you can tell a thread is having issues when I start using numbered points):
1. You asked something along the lines of why when you start a post complaining about the behaviour of others, the thread became about you. I can answer that. It's because when you post, you paint an image of other people that you want to become generally known, and you're also painting an image of yourself that you yourself cannot see. So I look at what you say about Enigma and Exactamente and I think "hmm, there may be something in that, I'll keep an eye out" but basically I don't have any great reaction to it. And then I look at how you're Being, how you're coming over, what you're saying about yourself without realising it, and it's just yelling out: There is a major disconnection between how you want to be perceived here (high flying, good looking, spritually advanced teacher operating from a place of stillness and unconditional love) and how I preceive you. The energy of the difference in potential is what is powering my posting this week.
It's very similar to telling someone their fly is undone. You're not sure you should do it, on the other hand you sort of feel that if you were in the same position you'd rather know than continue to walk around with your underwear showing.
2. When you (I hope) thought through the consequences of your actions when you started this thread, what were you expecting? What was the outcome you envisioned? What is the result that you wanted to create? Did you just want it to stop? Do you think you can change others without changing yourself even just a little bit? There's no "give" in your postings, no flexibility. Not a hint of "well maybe you have a point there".
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Post by Peter on Feb 6, 2012 14:53:33 GMT -5
Freejoy, the first 10 things I thought to say sounded like Barry White. Yeah, Baby, Love IS an action word.  The 11th is: The expression of Love is action. Love without expression is narcissism. Mortality and Rules are not relevant per se, except that as much as you or I exist, mortality exists. Rules are only required where one has difficulty being externally considerate, or correctly anticipating the consequences of action. It would make more sense if you said that expression flowed FROM being....or....Being for those of us who Talk In Capitals. My tuppence worth. |
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Post by Peter on Feb 6, 2012 14:42:30 GMT -5
Steve, whether E. and E. are hubristic, or arrogant, or condescending, or ... whatever, you need to get over it, dude. That you're having such an apparently difficult time doing that, isn't reflecting very well on you as a teacher, imho. Darn, I could have saved myself a lot of typing if I'd just thought to say that  Whether I am full of myself or not is a perspective you hold irregardless of my positionality or lack thereof... Well absolutely. And yet at the same time, I'm not totally inventing it. Like the man who mistakes the rope for a snake at twilight, there is something there. Humility is one of those spectrum things... What (I hope) we're all trying to do here is See Things As They Actually Are. The question is, in this particular case, which of us is closer to seeing the truth of this aspect of your character. I'll close with a link to the First Initiation By Jeanne de Salzmann . Bonne soirée. |
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Post by Peter on Feb 6, 2012 11:38:44 GMT -5
She's very pretty. Lucky you. As an aside, I never said I was well off, though I guess that's a matter of perspective. Well you said here that you "work a couple days and make a few ten thousand dollars" and also that you were "awarded what was the largest management consulting project in the history of the US for private business" so that sounds like "I'm well off" to me. You really can't see how your accusations of "hubris" in others is becoming more and more laughable by the minute. It's your shadow, Steven, you're pointing at a self you don't recognise because it doesn't fit your self image. The guys on that board think that you're either the "real deal" or a great liar. Of course there's a 3rd option that the truth lies somewhere in between and you've had good success in both business and spiritual practice and you're also wee bit deluded. What isn't sitting right with me is how someone who's claiming to have died while living, passed through the gateless gate, dipping in and out of perfect 9th Jhana at a whim - and let me quote you here: ...what I really really don't get is how someone who's attained all that can not only be so utterly full of themselves, but also feel the need to make sure everyone else knows it too and respects them for it. It's that NEED to have something, to receive something from others that makes me question these...accolades you're giving yourself. You forgot about the Male Model and artist period of my life though Max, since your keeping score.....;-)
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This is a bit childish Max No, it's a LOT childish, Steven but you're not going to see that today, are you? Telling yourself you've "got there" when you haven't - spiritual dead end. |
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Post by Peter on Feb 6, 2012 9:08:09 GMT -5
I think he was trying for " Cabal"? Although I'm also very fond of both cobble stones and peach cobbler. You know, these threads really aren't bringing out my best side; I'm not fond of that correcting nit picker I've got living in my head. Perhaps I should be an editor... |
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