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Post by synapticrythms on Jun 19, 2010 13:39:35 GMT -5
Control is an interesting animal... who is doing the controlling? Where are the thoughts arising from? Does that mean that the Universe wanted to wake up through this locality I call "me" and simply provided the impetus, the thoughts, the discernment, and the path to this point? Interesting to think about, or not... lol...
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Post by enigma on Jun 19, 2010 21:18:55 GMT -5
Karen:
I would say it's a matter of actually seeing it clearly as opposed to more often. Once seen, it is 'known' and need not be 'deconstructed' again. The blessing and the curse with seeing is that it cannot be unseen.
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Post by enigma on Jun 19, 2010 21:33:04 GMT -5
Control is an interesting animal... who is doing the controlling? Where are the thoughts arising from? Does that mean that the Universe wanted to wake up through this locality I call "me" and simply provided the impetus, the thoughts, the discernment, and the path to this point? Interesting to think about, or not... lol... Sumthin like that, though I would say it's more subtle and immediate. One July 4th evening, a crowd was gathered in a park, all heads turned to the East as the first volley of fireworks lit up the sky. I turned to the west and saw the most amazing sunset I've ever seen, as though God was competing for my attention, and that night he won. Yeah, it's kinda like that. |
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Post by Me on Jun 21, 2010 11:55:39 GMT -5
I noticed the poster of the above comment (Zendancer), does not elaborate or give any evidence for these opinions. It just leaves it at that.
No Control and no controller? So i am not typing this now? People do not exist? When i move my hand so that is not me? I don't mind people having theories but atleast try and explain your theories with some kind of evidence!!
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Post by Myself on Jun 21, 2010 16:10:43 GMT -5
I know what you mean me. I would also like the questions on this thread answered.
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Post by lobo on Jun 21, 2010 19:56:38 GMT -5
These are things that can only be know within oneself. Nobody can prove it to you or for you. It is not something that can be realized as the truth by agreeing with what someone else says.
The path is always to go within and find out for oneself.
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Post by lobo on Jun 21, 2010 20:08:10 GMT -5
Control is an interesting animal... who is doing the controlling? Where are the thoughts arising from? Does that mean that the Universe wanted to wake up through this locality I call "me" and simply provided the impetus, the thoughts, the discernment, and the path to this point? Interesting to think about, or not... lol... Sumthin like that, though I would say it's more subtle and immediate. One July 4th evening, a crowd was gathered in a park, all heads turned to the East as the first volley of fireworks lit up the sky. I turned to the west and saw the most amazing sunset I've ever seen, as though God was competing for my attention, and that night he won. Yeah, it's kinda like that. With all due respect to you guys I don't think it is like that at all. It could just be a common expression rather than exactly what you wanted to say, but this sounds like there is an entity "the universe" that is deciding things. In my experience, it is like the weather, like being carried on the wind, what happens just happens. Then if I am operating within a strong sense of self, that sense of self will take credit for something that has already happened. I do have some observations about how this seeming control happens, but it is a lot of work to get into that. Maybe later  |
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Post by zendancer on Jun 21, 2010 20:39:04 GMT -5
I noticed the poster of the above comment (Zendancer), does not elaborate or give any evidence for these opinions. It just leaves it at that. No Control and no controller? So i am not typing this now? People do not exist? When i move my hand so that is not me? I don't mind people having theories but atleast try and explain your theories with some kind of evidence!! Me: You need to go back and read through some of the existing threads on this forum. All of the things you asked about are answered there, and none of this stuff has anything to do with ideas or theories. Everyone here is interested in direct experience and absolute truth. Most of us start off imagining that we are separate entities with names like "John" or Carol," but when we look below the surface, we discover that although the truth can be directly experienced it is unimaginable. The effort to look below the surface usually requires some extended silence and introspection. How to see through illusions created by habits of thought is explained in detail on various threads. Read about it and then ask any questions that still seem unanswered. This will help people avoid having to re-write tons of information that is already available. Cheers. |
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Post by enigma on Jun 21, 2010 21:35:36 GMT -5
Sumthin like that, though I would say it's more subtle and immediate. One July 4th evening, a crowd was gathered in a park, all heads turned to the East as the first volley of fireworks lit up the sky. I turned to the west and saw the most amazing sunset I've ever seen, as though God was competing for my attention, and that night he won. Yeah, it's kinda like that. With all due respect to you guys I don't think it is like that at all. It could just be a common expression rather than exactly what you wanted to say, but this sounds like there is an entity "the universe" that is deciding things. In my experience, it is like the weather, like being carried on the wind, what happens just happens. Then if I am operating within a strong sense of self, that sense of self will take credit for something that has already happened. I do have some observations about how this seeming control happens, but it is a lot of work to get into that. Maybe later Just a little poetic license on my part, Burt. The point was that attention is drawn toward one's own nature effortlessly, when it is so inclined. No control or process involved, which I think is what you're saying. |
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Post by lobo on Jun 21, 2010 22:22:19 GMT -5
ya I figured it was probably something like that Sometimes I just fire off an email without considering how it comes across, so sorry about that. Just trying to be precise |
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Post by divinity on Jun 22, 2010 15:07:21 GMT -5
We are a bag of bones containing globs of conditioned reflexes for the most part... but then there's that little something else we can't put a finger on which is not.
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