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Post by Guest on Jun 17, 2010 11:51:50 GMT -5
This was posted on another thread, please help me to understand this:
There is no controller? So if i walk down the street, eat some food, move my hand or if i am playing football i am not in control? Who is controlling my mind then? I am very confused when you say there is no contolling or controller. I am typing this now, I AM typing it.. but you are saying i am not? Who is then? Everything people do in life is not real? People do not control their every move? People are not controllers of their own minds? I AM CONFUSED!! please explain this? You are saying it is illusion? So if i want to eat a nice beef burger right now? That is not really me? I am not in control? aghhhh explain please. So everything in life and everything is not controlled by people? People are not real then? I am sooo confused plz explain. Thank you!
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Post by desertrain on Jun 17, 2010 12:10:23 GMT -5
Those are all perfect questions: stay with them.
I say pay very close attention to your thoughts, intentions and actions throughout the day, and find out if there is someone there controlling all the thinking, intending and doing. Find out for yourself and take any conceptual answer given here with a grain of salt.
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Post by ravenscroft on Jun 17, 2010 13:14:48 GMT -5
first off
I agree with the above poster
but I thought I would post this video Dan made a while back that explains free will so well I think
sorry for posting another video by someone else
guess I am a visual learner
I don't agree with everything Men of the infinite say -they have some controversial views
but this is a good one I think
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Post by desertrain on Jun 17, 2010 13:39:28 GMT -5
Thank you ravenscroft, that's a great video.
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Post by Guest on Jun 17, 2010 14:42:05 GMT -5
So Free will is an illusion?
This video says Free will is unreal:
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Post by runstill on Jun 17, 2010 18:17:30 GMT -5
That was funny the advert for 'Resolve' started playing automatically and I am thinking resolve ? Whats that got to do with any thing, I thought we are suppose to evolve. lol ;D
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Post by unveilable on Jun 17, 2010 19:15:03 GMT -5
I saw Wayne Liquorman speak a couple months ago and this was his core message. "We are not the authors of our own experience" He then asked if we were in control then what were we doing there? My take from it was that if we were really in control then why would we seek anything? If I look I can sometimes see this in action and sometimes it just smacks me in the face.  |
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Post by Guest on Jun 17, 2010 20:19:33 GMT -5
Nice video ravenscroft.
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Post by karen on Jun 17, 2010 23:00:05 GMT -5
It still feels like I'm in control.
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Post by unveilable on Jun 18, 2010 5:22:39 GMT -5
Ya I dont really know why I feel this way and Im open to the possibility that Ive adopted a belief system of not in control. What I do know is that I have had many experiences of making art while keenly aware that the work did not come from me. Sometimes it literally felt like I was downloading the material! Wayne Liquorman went on to say that things happen and we create a story about it later. He then made a point of going into all the random events that took place just to get us to arrive at satsang while other random events successfully prevented others from arrival. It still feels like I'm in control. |
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Post by Peter on Jun 18, 2010 8:09:51 GMT -5
It still feels like I'm in control. HA! Try deciding to go to bed at a sensible time, get to the gym 3 times a week and not shout at the children (lose your cool with your mother, etc - insert your favourite button pusher here) and THEN tell me you feel in control. For me, it's like my conscious thought process has a vote and I've no idea who or what else is voting. Obviously my habits and the circumstances I find myself in have a vote too. Other people's wants and needs to a lesser extent. Basically as long as life doesn't have any other plans for me, then I might be able to do what I decide to do. P |
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Post by karen on Jun 18, 2010 10:36:39 GMT -5
Yes that is true. I don't feel in control when I feel like I'm out of control. But there is an underlying assumption that seems to be believed that I am running the show. I would love to let that go, but it hasn't yet registered.
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Post by robert on Jun 18, 2010 15:52:53 GMT -5
in my opinion the issue at hand is the total identification with the "feeling". emotions are just things that happen to the body (like heartburn) and their power or lack there of stems directly from the ego's identification with said emotion.
and before anyone asks whether i live as an automaton, free and devoid of emotion, actually i have learned to detach from much of the entanglement that the ego thrives on, which is in my opinion where that illusion of control is maintained.
and i always keep in mind that this so called reality is just a dream and the episode will end whether within this life or out. resist nothing.
robert
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Post by enigma on Jun 19, 2010 1:43:16 GMT -5
Yes that is true. I don't feel in control when I feel like I'm out of control. But there is an underlying assumption that seems to be believed that I am running the show. I would love to let that go, but it hasn't yet registered. Is the thought to control, something that you control? Do you decide to think that thought, and if so, do you decide to think the thought to decide? When you follow the threads back, where do you find that the chooser begins? Or does it begin? |
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Post by karen on Jun 19, 2010 10:45:32 GMT -5
When I deconstruct the chain of thoughts, it's pretty clear, I'm not in control of the thoughts. But only when I do that - I have to "get there". It seems like a shallow recognition. Are you saying that it gets deeper as this tracing back if done more and more?
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