Debate

[Dolph]

sorry i missed that bit of ya post sorry haha.

but in all serious, alot of people dont believe in newtons laws. for example there are some people who believe gravity is not a pull but a push.. others do not believe gravity exists.. many other different theories about.

[lobo]

I could imagine something like that. I personally know a man doing experiments on using gravity waves for communication.
Sounds crazy, but the accepted theories about gravity consider its effects to be instantaneous....so possibly a channel with no delay in transmitting information....
It just shows there is so much we do not know.
That is really the point.

But every good scientist will just shrug it off and start working on the next theory LOL

[thistoo]

Jun 24, 2010 7:54:46 GMT -5 lobo said:

the reason it is a battleground is that science is a religion to most people. There is a belief in the truth of science, when what it actually is is a system for observing, conjecturing relationships, testing them with experiment to see if the theory holds up, at least statistically.

Hi Burt! I'm mostly with you on this, except that I think (just my opinion) that science is religion mostly to those whose belief systems they perceive to be threatened by it, not to the people who practice/study it.

Jun 24, 2010 7:54:46 GMT -5 lobo said:

Have you noticed that the theories keep getting more and more complex trying to explain what doesn't make sense from the latest experiments?

Yes! And Einstein's dying wish, I understand, was to resolve unexplained theoretical gaps---to achieve a unified Theory of Everything. He openly acknowledged the gaps, though. He knew it was all theoretical, and subject to be revised or disproven (not a belief system).

Jun 24, 2010 15:53:08 GMT -5 lobo said:

But every good scientist will just shrug it off and start working on the next theory LOL

Exactly. Unfortunately when Galileo discovered that the relative movement of planets didn't jive with the theory that the Earth was the center of the universe, however, he was tried as a heretic and would've been executed had he not recanted in 1633.

Science was ready to abandon the previous theory on empirical evidence, but The Vatican was apparently kinda partial to it. To their credit, they did ultimately acknowledge their error (in 1992).

Anyway, I think it all demonstrates how passionately the mind will cling to its beliefs (why we struggle to see The Truth). There are still folks who believe the world is flat.

[karen]

I saw an interview with a guy from the flat Earth society. He said that science said that the Great Salt Lake actually protruded out and up 6 feet because of the curvature of the Earth. So the guy went out there in a boat and saw no such hump of water 6 feet high; this proved the Earth was flat for him. LOL

[lol]

You may laugh at the Flat Earth Society Karen but the fact is have you been up to space and seen the shape of the earth? no.

You are only guessing and taking the belief of others that it is round. It could be a triangle, it could be round. It could be a square. When you go into space, please report back and tell us what the shape is. Cheers.

[robert]

i am a member of the earth doesn't exist at all society. we are always open for new members who don't exist either.
r.

[synapticrythms]

The probability of me understanding that the Earth doesn't exist at all is completely up to the holographic framework that "my" existence is currently experiencing.

[lobo]

hey thistoo
My main point is that most people today, especially in the west, believe in science to the point that it may as well be religion.
All the layers of belief obscure the ability to see plainly what is.

[thistoo]

Jun 28, 2010 20:31:12 GMT -5 lobo said:

...people today, especially in the west, believe in science to the point that it may as well be religion.
All the layers of belief obscure the ability to see plainly what is.

I won't argue the first part, Burt. I'll only add that anyone who views science as such is, I think, woefully mistaken.

I'm totally with you on the 2nd part.