Debate

[enigma]

No, it doesn't seem like I'm making a choice. Hehe.

[synapticrythms]

God doesn't play small games and is not afraid to die.

Love that...

Thought is a reflection of this reflection; a dull, insidious glimpse 'through a glass darkly' so as to cushion us from our fear. Imagine yourself on the threshold of new life, faced with the choice of living fully and taking whatever comes, or living half asleep like some zombie, barely feeling, and so feeling almost safe in our somnambulistic daze. I think i know which you would choose, and yet what have nearly all of us chosen? Every day, i see zombies playing little, safe games in their minds, and it tears at my heart and seems an affront to our true nature.

Yes, what a waste. What a terrible waste.

I basically should have quoted the whole post. That was magnificent. The above is not a judgment... it is a wistfulness that sings every time I see potential leashed by fear.

I was hiking yesterday, and the beauty of it all was like a cacophony of joy in being, in knowing, in aliveness. My life has become this way to a certain extent... when I forget that there is any such thing as anything being "at stake". Moving more and more deeply with that certain ineffable part of me has brought me to this place.

It is thought that holds it back. I was noticing that when I would get a text message yesterday or was in any other way pulled out of that space, there was an annoyance there. I felt like I would miss something by being pulled back into thought. Thought is beginning to feel so useless to me in so many ways. I felt "deadened" by it. Why would I want to live in a world of thought when there is another far beyond thought that really satisfies?

That has been the whole movement for me on this journey. What really, truly satisfies? Where is my home? Where is Reality? The more I feel this and live this, the more I am seeing that it is less that I lose something, and more that instead I would find the encompassing everything.

Thanks for the post enigma... beautiful.

[Portto]

Jun 20, 2010 22:28:12 GMT -5 enigma said:

Well, it doesn't feel that way. It feels like compassion. If you came upon a family trapped in a burning building, I'm sure you would act in any way you could. You wouldn't see it as resisting what is happening and you wouldn't stop to judge. I'm not a world saver, but in a way humanity is trapped in a burning building. I talked elsewhere yesterday about sadness. Maybe you saw it. It's quite palpable at the moment, but it's not a problem, if that makes any sense.

Would there be any compassion without a sense of "me?"
Indeed, I would help a trapped family, even a trapped ant.

You are right, it's not resisting and judging - I am the one doing that!

[lobo]

snyaptic, and enigma,
I am just in awe of the way you guys articulate your experience and/or realization
I wish I could do it so well
Sometimes I try poetry to capture it

I just want to say thanks for your posts

[Myself]

wow you 4 seem to change the direction of every thread with all this talk. look at the threads first post and stick to it. keep on topic!

[karen]

Why keep on topic?

[robert]

myself, the question of evolution vs. creation is irrelevant. we are all here how we got here is of no consequence to those trying to find their own path in a world with 6 billion paths. that question is perfect for some one looking for an argument or someone with a position to defend.
i myself had my fill of arguing and am dealing with what is, and what is for me only you will have to find your own what is. so getting lost in another's path is just a distraction that allows egos to not deal with life while seeming to discuss life.
at least that's my answer.
robert

[Me]

i dont know about ur belief but i didnt evolve of an ape!! evolution is damaging our society teaching people that we were primitive apes and raping eachother.. what garbage. we made in the image and likeness of God!! Read genesis my friends.

[robert]

me, i am really glad that you did not evolve from an ape. but see where we are now you knew your answer to the question BEFORE you asked it so what do you care what i think? for your information i grew up with a strict religious education, but you didn't come here to know that you came here to argue. what's completely mind blowing to me is that i called this conversation 2 posts ago, and the fact that i have spent one iota of energy on
this ...........
if you don't like our ideas why are you here?

[Me]

im the original poster of this thread, i didn't come here to argue i came to get ur opinions on it. but u said

the question of evolution vs. creation is irrelevant

so why are you even in this thread if you think it is irrelevant? stick to the topic. thank you i want to know ur opinions plz let me know how u think we came about. cheers.

[robert]

i can absolutely tell you how you came about.
r.

[enigma]

Jun 21, 2010 7:15:22 GMT -5 synapticrythms said:

God doesn't play small games and is not afraid to die.

Love that...

Thought is a reflection of this reflection; a dull, insidious glimpse 'through a glass darkly' so as to cushion us from our fear. Imagine yourself on the threshold of new life, faced with the choice of living fully and taking whatever comes, or living half asleep like some zombie, barely feeling, and so feeling almost safe in our somnambulistic daze. I think i know which you would choose, and yet what have nearly all of us chosen? Every day, i see zombies playing little, safe games in their minds, and it tears at my heart and seems an affront to our true nature.

Yes, what a waste. What a terrible waste.

I basically should have quoted the whole post. That was magnificent. The above is not a judgment... it is a wistfulness that sings every time I see potential leashed by fear.

I was hiking yesterday, and the beauty of it all was like a cacophony of joy in being, in knowing, in aliveness. My life has become this way to a certain extent... when I forget that there is any such thing as anything being "at stake". Moving more and more deeply with that certain ineffable part of me has brought me to this place.

It is thought that holds it back. I was noticing that when I would get a text message yesterday or was in any other way pulled out of that space, there was an annoyance there. I felt like I would miss something by being pulled back into thought. Thought is beginning to feel so useless to me in so many ways. I felt "deadened" by it. Why would I want to live in a world of thought when there is another far beyond thought that really satisfies?

That has been the whole movement for me on this journey. What really, truly satisfies? Where is my home? Where is Reality? The more I feel this and live this, the more I am seeing that it is less that I lose something, and more that instead I would find the encompassing everything.

Thanks for the post enigma... beautiful.

That's wonderful, Synaptic. From my perspective it's all about that noticing. Like many, i made some feeble attempt to control thoughts, but then i just left them alone and started noticing the inanity, banality and absurdity of the stories that would show up in my head just to fill up space, and it's this clarity that effortlessly puts an end to them. Noticing how it robs us of our peace and the beauty around us and gives nothing in return.

[enigma]

Jun 21, 2010 9:01:29 GMT -5 Portto said:

Jun 20, 2010 22:28:12 GMT -5 enigma said:

Well, it doesn't feel that way. It feels like compassion. If you came upon a family trapped in a burning building, I'm sure you would act in any way you could. You wouldn't see it as resisting what is happening and you wouldn't stop to judge. I'm not a world saver, but in a way humanity is trapped in a burning building. I talked elsewhere yesterday about sadness. Maybe you saw it. It's quite palpable at the moment, but it's not a problem, if that makes any sense.

Would there be any compassion without a sense of "me?"
Indeed, I would help a trapped family, even a trapped ant.

You are right, it's not resisting and judging - I am the one doing that!

There are differences of perspective on compassion, and likely different kinds of compassion. It can be seen as dualistic or it can be seen as compassion for the Self. The woo woo enlightened gurus won't lay claim to teaching, and yet there they are in Satsang and not on the golf course. Go figure.

[enigma]

Jun 21, 2010 10:49:24 GMT -5 @Myself said:

wow you 4 seem to change the direction of every thread with all this talk. look at the threads first post and stick to it. keep on topic!

I don't even read the thread tittles. I just click on the little blue 'new' thingy and read the posts and wait and see if sumthin shows up. My bad.

[Guest]

Jun 21, 2010 13:32:36 GMT -5 @robert said:

i can absolutely tell you how you came about.
r.

explain your theory