Debate

[Christian]

Greetings,

I would like to know where do the people on this forum stand in the Creationism VS evolution debate?

Are you creationists? (You believe God created us, like it says in genesis)

Or are you evolutionists? (that life started randomly from a few cells)

What are your opinions on Creationism or evolution. Please share.

[Portto]

Hello.
Creationism and evolutionism are quite similar: they both state that something created something else.
And neither solves anything. We can always ask what created the initial "thing", how creation/evolution works, and why is doing what is doing.

So, I would say they are both stories.

[zendancer]

Hi Christian: Welcome to the forum. Most people on this website are interested in direct experience rather than ideas, so I doubt that there is much interest in debating things like creationism versus evolution. The primary questions that interest people here are things like "Who am I?" "What is reality?" and "How is it possible to experience truth directly?"

Creationism assumes that God is an entity external to reality. How is it possible to verify or refute something like that through direct experience? Most of us are not interested in faith or belief; we want to know the truth in a more direct and unmediated way. We are more interested in meeting God face to face than having ideas about God. I would recommend that someone find God first. After that mind-shattering event, the debate you are referring to will evaporate like dew in the morning sun. Cheers.

[cabinintheforest]

I understand God to be mind.

Creationism teaches God created people as matter in a material world, i don't believe that. Evolution teaches life came from random pieces of matter i also don't believe in that.

It says in the bible 'God is spirit' Spirit is synonymous with mind.

God is not a person. We can not meet him face to face as a person. Zendancer what do you think God is?

You are saying meet God face to face. Who has ever done this? Direct experience of God can be achieved but not in the form of meeting a person you believe to be God.

Even Christian mystics who had many mystical experiences never descibed God as a person. God is and can only be mind.

[zendancer]

Cabin: I use the phrase "meet God face to face" to point to a direct non-dual cosmic conciousness-type of experience. To meet God face to face, separateness cannot be present. Only THAT can apprehend THAT. I could say that each human being has a direct connection to THAT, but that still makes it sound like there is something separate connected to something infinite, and there is not. The infinite is all there is. Finiteness is the illusion. When we look within ourselves so deeply and so intensely that selfhood disappears, something happens that cannot be described in words and language. My words are pointing to the living truth that is beyond imagination. I am pointing to something that, if perceived for even a moment, will leave someone awestruck and speechless

[divinity]

"God" is whatever we think it is....how ever we perceive it... what ever we need it to be for us at any given time... this includes the option of denying the existence of "god"if that is helpful. None of this is wrong or right... it just is.

[The Uncreated]

May 23, 2010 8:33:58 GMT -5 @Christian said:

Are you creationists? (You believe God created us, like it says in genesis)

Man created God, just like he created every other unit of knowledge, because let's face it -- God is a unit of knowledge given that once the idea of "God" passes through a mind, becomes like all else encapsulated in the root awareness "I" like a TCP/IP packet climbing the OSI layer. That said, "God" then becomes an object like "cake" is an object, like "car" is an object, like "dung stick" is an object -- in the grand scheme of things disposable and divorced from the Truth. People may claim to "know" God, but that has nothing to do with the Truth insofar as they're still stupidly grappling with the conundrum of subject-object experience.

Go beyond God.

But I've already written the topic creator off as a troll, given that he hasn't been back to offer his viewpoints since his initial post. :)

The Uncreated

[Guest]

The Uncreated sounds like you are an atheist to me. By the way God created man.

[ravenscroft]

May 23, 2010 9:07:10 GMT -5 Portto said:

Hello.
Creationism and evolutionism are quite similar: they both state that something created something else.
And neither solves anything. We can always ask what created the initial "thing", how creation/evolution works, and why is doing what is doing.

So, I would say they are both stories.

bravo!

[divinity]

I never understood that debate. I don't see why it matters how it all started. It may have always have been and will always be... Regardless, I want to just enjoy what is now.

[The Uncreated]

Jun 15, 2010 19:17:37 GMT -5 @Guest said:

The Uncreated sounds like you are an atheist to me. By the way God created man.

An atheist who's choice of nickname is "The Uncreated"; Nice one.

This is a challenge to you. What's the difference between the following two koans?

What is your original face before your parents were born?

What is God's original face before man was born?

To some I would say that God is a man-made creation. To others I'd say they arose spontaneously out of the void together and encouraged by nothing. Creation? Who ultimately creates what?

That isn't an atheist's position; I quite believe in "God" actually, just not the loaded-down anthropomorphic almighty nonsense that most can't seem to get past.

However, God was not meant to be a crutch for which absolute declarations can be based upon, ending in a full stop. My belief is, that a wise person, after having been there and back, decided that a concrete euphemism for non-dual reality neeed to be created to lead the masses to that unspoken, uncategorized and undivided void that persists before the first spark of creation -- and that includes before the creation of "God", because let's face it, to discuss "God" is to discuss an object -- a concept. Sadly, most don't have the spiritual equipment to recognize the signs and act accordingly.

You want to be free? Acknowledge God and realize that He is a bridge -- then forget about him.

[synapticrythms]

The idea of God is not God, just as any mental structure only mimics, confines, and distorts the actual reality of the thing, therefore, making the whole thing unreal. Why argue about an idea or construct of thought that really has no reality whatsoever?

God, thought is an exhausting thing.

[Peter]

Uncreated> Welcome back, it's been a while.

If, in fact, you're the same person. It's hard to tell with guests...

If, in fact, any of us are the same person...

My friends and family tend to recognise me.

Actually, assuming they're still them.

Creation: actually I think it's an ongoing process - waveforms collapsing into perceived reality as we come to experience them. The past and present don't exist until someone decides what must have been. Past, present and future condense out of the void together. It's all possible.

[skyblue]

"God, thought is an exhausting thing."

I agree with you on that one Synap.

[Guest]

My belief is

Everyone has beliefs, they are always personal. I don't agree with anything you typed. You would probably not agree with anything i type.

It is a full out stalemate. But please do not think you have ALL the correct answers. Maybe a Creationist is correct? Maybe ALL of the bible is true? What if all of the Holy books were true? What would you do then!? Im sure you would poop yourself and feel pretty embarressed that you wasted most of your life looking into pointless Zen Kôans .