God

[cabinintheforest]

To people on this forum.

If someone came up to you and said 'do you believe in God' how would you reply?

From what people have said on this forum they do not want beliefs they want direct experience.

So instead of saying 'yes i believe in God' what would you reply?

How would a person in terms of non-duality answer the question.

If you have directly experienced God then it is more than a belief? Yes? Then it is fact. Proven.

So from a direct experience perspective how to answer the question. Would you just say i know God exists or i have experienced God?

In words how do you best describe direct experience, you wouldn't use the word 'believe' would it just be 'i know'?

Please answer this and help me understand it.

It's just if someone came to me and said do i believe in God? I would say yes i do believe in God. But since coming to this forum and learning about direct experience it has interested me. God is more than a belief. God is fact and reality.



Thanks for reading. And please reply if you can.

[karen]

If someone asked me if I believed in god, I would probably answer: "I'd rather know god than believe in god".

"Know" as in 100% through and through. Not "know" as concept.

Belief, in my experience, is a very poor substitute; often a hindrance.

[zendancer]

Cabin: If you asked me, "Do you believe in God?" I would answer, "Who wants to know?"

[synapticrythms]

I would probably ask, "Who's God?" There are always many different perceptions of God, and usually someone wants me to validate their belief when they ask that.

For me, it is helpful in my journey right now to hold this belief, because it gives specificity to something unknown that I feel is assisting me. I hope that when the time comes, I have the wisdom to drop this belief as well, because all my beliefs are limiting I am finding.

[zendancer]

To ask "Who's God?" is okay, but it usually leads to definitions, comparisons, judgements, and intellectualization. The question "Who wants to know?" turns the question around and points at the truth directly. The questioner usually thinks of himself/herself as a separate entity, and it is that fundamental illusion that keeps God hidden from view. Who is the questioner if the questioner is not a separate entity? It is like water asking water if it believes in water. LOL

[vacant]

When asked I usually sit on the fence, and will say that I don’t like to believe in anything, while staying wholeheartedly open. Except that it’s still posturing into position, if it was true I would in all likelihood be more undone. So all in all I would have to say that I really don’t know, nothing new here, and that it’s fine like that, and that it might be silly to try to define what one believes in.

Reminds me of the teen age school scene where all and sundry succomb to the pressure of putting their colors to the mast by writing their love-and-hate list. We’ll then see if you’re one of us or one of them.

Anyways, declaring opinions sucks, the fence is not a bad seat.

[vacant]

... he says, proclaiming his views loud and clear!

[klaus]

If God exists,
We exist.

If God does not exist,
We do not exist.

Where is your question?

[ethereal]

Dr. David Hawkins once said (paraphrased), "The proof that God exists is in your own existence. Nothing has the power within itself to create its own existence."

Might have to contemplate on that one for awhile I don't really get it myself.

[synapticrythms]

Zendancer,

I just wanted to let you know that your last post struck a chord in me that has been resounding over the last few days.


"Who is the questioner if the questioner is not a separate entity?"

That one line helped me see in many, many different ways how I view myself as separate constantly. Through my thought, my words, my actions, the writing of the word "my"... all of these things are separate from the whole. It redefined the whole approach for me on how I approach my own thought.

I have been reaching (it feels like back) within me for what I know to be beyond what I "know" or "understand" now... deeper into a place where the "I" is not... that is the only way I can describe it. The separate "I" always has an agenda. The place I am reaching is agenda-less... beyond the "solid".

Thank you for being the instrument for this particular recognition in me... well... you know what I mean... recognition of the beyond me.

[zendancer]

Synapticrythms: Now you're on the right track!

[dei]

Cabin... the answer i would give honestly would be "i am god" but there are certainly very few people to whom i could say this without being lynched. *lol* (btw this is not from an 'enlightened' one yet, but even as a master metaphysician, i realized this truth).

[robert]

i would say that if there is a God, He has some explaining to do.

[cabinintheforest]

Cabin: If you asked me, "Do you believe in God?" I would answer, "Who wants to know?"

Ok Zendancer let's say the guys name who asked you was Matthew. Now you know who want's to know, how will you reply?

[cabinintheforest]

i would say that if there is a God, He has some explaining to do.

What explaining to do? Why?