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Sept 21, 2024 3:00:35 GMT -5
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Post by sharon on Sept 21, 2024 3:00:35 GMT -5
But is it found in you? That’s the only question to ask. Physician heal thyself? Well, I treat myself when I have ailments. But physicians here are not allowed to prescribe for themselves especially if the drugs are regulated by the Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency. These are anxiolytics, sleeping pills, morphine, etc. There is a huge difference between the words heal and treat. Don’t worry if you can’t see it, just appreciate that you can’t see it. |
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Sept 21, 2024 3:01:58 GMT -5
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Post by sharon on Sept 21, 2024 3:01:58 GMT -5
I have not encountered Warlocks, but I do confess I met a witch in the emergency room during my tour of duty in the district hospital. An old woman in white dress, while crossing the street towards the hospital running after an ambulance where a baby was just delivered inside got bumped by a speeding car. She was carried by 4-5 men watching the incident. It was already around 2 am. When I examined the woman of approximately 60 yrs old, to our surprise, she had no injuries, fractures, contusions or laceration, only bruises on her feet. She was loudly asking for her hat. Her blood pressure was 200/100. I wanted to give her a sublingual anti- hypertensive, and she cried " No! No! No! It's poison. " When the police arrived she stood up from the examining table and asked from the driver of the vehicle money for fare to take her home. She told the police she wont press charges. She took a trike, and went home several kilometers away without fuss. It was already 4 am in the morning. We wondered how and why she was there. The contents of consciousness consume you, constantly. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 21, 2024 3:02:44 GMT -5
I am experimenting on how this thing will end. Finding a way out from not taking the anxiety pill through placebo may help. But do you have a substitute for ice cold bottles of beer or a one or two glasses of Jack Daniels on the rocks? Yeah. And so do you. Gratitude and Anxiety are on the same neural circuitry. As in you can’t experience true deep gratitude and anxiety at the same time. If you can’t meditate your way to health then try appreciating your life. Your livelihood is built upon curing ailments and yet you have let the search for ailments spill over into every day life. Get back to enjoying how precious your breath really is. I simply chant the maha mantra, not claiming I am self-realized. We all suffer from having body/mind. Buddha says its dukkha/ suffering for living in this world. If you have a remedy to alleviate suffering, then take it. If it works, you are a lucky girl. If other treatments dont work maybe its just your bad luck. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 21, 2024 3:05:44 GMT -5
Physician heal thyself? Well, I treat myself when I have ailments. But physicians here are not allowed to prescribe for themselves especially if the drugs are regulated by the Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency. These are anxiolytics, sleeping pills, morphine, etc. There is a huge difference between the words heal and treat. Don’t worry if you can’t see it, just appreciate that you can’t see it. Physicians treat and heal thyself. Whatever healing you are trying to imply at must be something that's spiritual. I am referring to the body/mind ailments. Mental illness is not my specialty. I am a family physician. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 21, 2024 3:09:06 GMT -5
I have not encountered Warlocks, but I do confess I met a witch in the emergency room during my tour of duty in the district hospital. An old woman in white dress, while crossing the street towards the hospital running after an ambulance where a baby was just delivered inside got bumped by a speeding car. She was carried by 4-5 men watching the incident. It was already around 2 am. When I examined the woman of approximately 60 yrs old, to our surprise, she had no injuries, fractures, contusions or laceration, only bruises on her feet. She was loudly asking for her hat. Her blood pressure was 200/100. I wanted to give her a sublingual anti- hypertensive, and she cried " No! No! No! It's poison. " When the police arrived she stood up from the examining table and asked from the driver of the vehicle money for fare to take her home. She told the police she wont press charges. She took a trike, and went home several kilometers away without fuss. It was already 4 am in the morning. We wondered how and why she was there. The contents of consciousness consume you, constantly. Who else that is not? |
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Sept 21, 2024 3:21:27 GMT -5
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Post by sharon on Sept 21, 2024 3:21:27 GMT -5
There is a huge difference between the words heal and treat. Don’t worry if you can’t see it, just appreciate that you can’t see it. Physicians treat and heal thyself. Whatever healing you are trying to imply at must be something that's spiritual. I am referring to the body/mind ailments. Mental illness is not my specialty. I am a family physician. You have been writing a thread called The Truth for weeks now and none of it has penetrated your beliefs. You would have been better off writing a blog, then you would have known that the work was only for you. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 21, 2024 6:04:04 GMT -5
Physicians treat and heal thyself. Whatever healing you are trying to imply at must be something that's spiritual. I am referring to the body/mind ailments. Mental illness is not my specialty. I am a family physician. You have been writing a thread called The Truth for weeks now and none of it has penetrated your beliefs. You would have been better off writing a blog, then you would have known that the work was only for you. You should know there two are of us in one. My ego and the self/atman. I oscillate from one to the other. I may present to my clients as their physician but besides that " I am. " to my blog, " The Truth " here. You're intelligent to know the difference when I post my views whether I am this ego or self/atman. I am the self/atman when I talk about Krishna consciousness. I am the ego Melvin when I talk to you this and that way. Do you put on a mask or you are afraid to reveal your ego, who you are in this life. Are you a wife or something, what you do for a living? At least I will have an idea whom I am talking to. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 21, 2024 7:03:31 GMT -5
I spoke last time about the first step in getting to know oneself better and having the opportunity to prove to oneself whether what Gurdjieff says about man's condition and situation is true for you personally. I spoke about a method of observation of self--of one's thoughts, one's emotion, one's sensations, one's actions--which requires a special effort with attention: a division of attention into two parts. One of these parts is directed towards whatever activity it's engaged in, whether it be a thought or action or whatever, and the other is directed to the experience of a point of awareness of what is going on. I call it the Silent Witness. It's an impartial, unjudgmental witness to what goes on. It is extremely difficult to do this, and you will find at first that you can only do it for a split second, and then you find yourself with your attention wholly drawn into what you're doing; but with practice it becomes more possible. Q: Could you say more about the Silent Witness? Mr. Ripman: Well, you start with the fact that it is silent. It is not talking or thinking about what you are doing, but it is aware of what you are doing. You know, that for instance, that you can be absorbed in a book and be absolutely unaware of your posture or the sensations of you body because you are lost in the book. You also know that if I call your attention to that, you become aware of the posture and the sensations which are there all the time. The Silent Witness pays attention to what goes on in the centers: to what goes on in the head, to what goes on in the heart, to what goes on in the body. It simply pays attention. It's like listening to music. You don't to manipulate the impressions you receive from music; you just receive them. The Silent Witness just receives impressions from your behavior. She hears your voice, both your inner and outer voice; she is aware of what happens to you. You have to struggle towards this. But at any rate, be sure that it's not thinking or internally talking about what's going on in you. It's simply being aware, as though each function had a mirror placed in front of it. Q: What is this part that watches me? Mr. Ripman: For the time being, you will not gain anything by having that defined. The thing to do is to experience the Silent Witness. I feel at this stage it wouldn't be helpful to put any words to it. I could do that, but it wouldn't make you any wiser. The thing to do is to gain more experience of it for yourself, to find how it feels different from the ordinary condition when your thoughts are experienced as "I", when your feelings are experienced as "I", when your body is experienced as "I". This is a little different. Q: I have a hard time differentiating the Silent Witness from my mind. Mr. Ripman: Yes, and if you don't do that, you don't understand what the Silent Witness is. You see, in the ordinary way, we live in the state which is called "identification". This means that I feel myself to be my functions. It may be a thought, it may be a feeling, it may be a sensation--but it is felt to be myself. The Silent Witness is exactly something that is not a function: not a thought, not a feeling, not a sensation. One of the great difficulties of maintaining this special kind of attention is that when for a moment aware of something, one immediately starts thinking about it, judging it, or whatever. And one's sense of oneself slips into these feelings, these judgements of it, and one is lost. The Silent Witness is no longer there. It is very difficult to realize for oneself that this isn't a thinking effort. It is a naked awareness. It takes some people a couple of years to get it absolutely clear inside themselves, by experience, what this Silent Witness really is. But I wish to emphasize that it isn't thinking about oneself. When you talk about being drawn back into yourself, you are being drawn back into thought about yourself, which is not the same thing at all. You are tempted the whole time to react to what you observe, but the moment that you do that you are no longer observing. And experience shows that it is extremely difficult not to react. Something immediately begins to think about it and a running commentary sets up, or one is pleased that one has seen something, or one is disgusted with what has been seen, or whatever. These reactions draw one's attention away from the naked experience of oneself. ...The Silent Witness is not involved with what you are doing, not elated by your successes, not downcast by your failures, he simply is, and experiences what is going on. It is only by a great deal of practice that it gradually becomes possible--certainly it is possible--to maintain something absolutely quiet and still within when you're engaged in no matter what. pages 54-57, Question and Answers Along the Way by Hugh Brockwill Ripman, 2009, Forthway Center Press, Washington, DC A few years ago, and long after I stopped meditating out of curiosity, I started deliberately engaging ATA-T on a solitary walk. A phrase occurred to me then: "an inner eye, and an outer eye", meaning the two vectors of attention relative to one's sense of awareness. This is some good stuff 'pilgrim. But, as always, I have to agree to disagree on the point of effort. Even prior to realizing the answer to the question that Ripman advised to bypass for the time being, witnessing can become quite effortless. There can be a correlation between time spent in the state and the level of apparent effort .. ie, whether one is "in the habit", but on the other hand, some people are naturally inclined to be able to snap to a state of silence. It's really all over the map. You can think of it as "training" and "practice", if you like. It's a good a way as any, but like any other belief about attention and awareness, it is of quite limited application, which isn't to say that some people might not benefit from it, but rather, that others might find it distracting and counter-productive. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 21, 2024 7:08:04 GMT -5
This is a very subtle thing. I spent many many many years with this and still return to it from time to time as a centering technique. Observe the observer. Whatever phenomenon you are experiencing with your five senses, whatever thoughts you are thinking internally, Whatever activities you are Participating in including observing the observer, are all phenomenon that are being observed… With this technique, you were turning inward beyond all that. Turning attention and maintaining it on the observer, including the observer that’s observing the observer lol It’s fundamentally the same as being aware of your awareness. If there is any difference between observe the observer and being aware of awareness is that the former is the same as the latter, but with more intensity and focus. In someways, it can be kind of an odd sensation when you first start doing it because your attention is continuously pulled to phenomenon, But you have to just keep saying to yourself and turning your attention toward what is the observer of this thought that’s happening, What is the observer of me TRYING to observe the observer?… You just keep pealing back the layers of the onion until you find that still silent observer, and then hold your attention on it as fastidiously as you can. , and yes. The saying to yourself, Mr. Ripman discusses this, that's not it, anything that's not-silent, is not it. But the saying can be a reminder. But you describe it well, anything whatever that arises, observe that, especially the saying to yourself, make sure you observe that, too. At some point you have to see that the actual observing, is, at least in the beginning, very brief, that's the actual moment of a conscious effort. Everything other than that moment is a mechanical effort, relatively useless. The saying to yourself is a mechanical effort, it's a kind of alarm clock. Yes, whatever arises, observe that. Sifty likes to hit that point, very central to his talks. |
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Sept 21, 2024 7:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by sharon on Sept 21, 2024 7:23:37 GMT -5
You have been writing a thread called The Truth for weeks now and none of it has penetrated your beliefs. You would have been better off writing a blog, then you would have known that the work was only for you. You should know there two are of us in one. My ego and the self/atman. I oscillate from one to the other. I may present to my clients as their physician but besides that " I am. " to my blog, " The Truth " here. You're intelligent to know the difference when I post my views whether I am this ego or self/atman. I am the self/atman when I talk about Krishna consciousness. I am the ego Melvin when I talk to you this and that way. Do you put on a mask or you are afraid to reveal your ego, who you are in this life. Are you a wife or something, what you do for a living? At least I will have an idea whom I am talking to. You have more than enough ideas already. My job is to cut them from your grasp. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 21, 2024 8:02:15 GMT -5
You should know there two are of us in one. My ego and the self/atman. I oscillate from one to the other. I may present to my clients as their physician but besides that " I am. " to my blog, " The Truth " here. You're intelligent to know the difference when I post my views whether I am this ego or self/atman. I am the self/atman when I talk about Krishna consciousness. I am the ego Melvin when I talk to you this and that way. Do you put on a mask or you are afraid to reveal your ego, who you are in this life. Are you a wife or something, what you do for a living? At least I will have an idea whom I am talking to. You have more than enough ideas already. My job is to cut them from your grasp. Hope I dont have my hands full from grasping yours. Please dont leave me empty. A small bite will suffice. |
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Sept 21, 2024 8:21:37 GMT -5
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Post by sharon on Sept 21, 2024 8:21:37 GMT -5
You have more than enough ideas already. My job is to cut them from your grasp. Hope I dont have my hands full from grasping yours. Please dont leave me empty. A small bite will suffice. And here you are continuing to beg for treats. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 21, 2024 8:36:46 GMT -5
Hope I dont have my hands full from grasping yours. Please dont leave me empty. A small bite will suffice. And here you are continuing to beg for treats. Halloween's a month away. Tricks come in handy. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 21, 2024 10:44:47 GMT -5
What happens to the Silent Witness if one chants the Maha Mantra? What a fascinating question! In Hinduism and Vaishnavism, the concept of "Silent Witness" (Sanskrit: साक्षी) refers to the individual self or soul that observes and experiences the world, including the cycles of birth, death, and rebirth. It is often described as a witness or observer that is separate from the ego or the individual's personality. Now, when it comes to the Maha Mantra, which is a sacred mantra in Hinduism and is considered to be the most powerful mantra for spiritual growth and liberation, chanting it can have a profound impact on the Silent Witness. According to spiritual teachings, when one chants the Maha Mantra with devotion and sincerity, it can help to: 1. Purify the mind: The Maha Mantra is said to purify the mind of impurities and distractions, allowing the individual to focus on their inner Self. 2. Awaken the inner Self: The mantra can help to awaken the Silent Witness or the individual's true nature, which is beyond the ego and the material world. 3. Dissolve the ego: The Maha Mantra can help to dissolve the ego and its attachments, allowing the individual to transcend their limited sense of self and connect with their higher Self. 4. Attain spiritual liberation: By chanting the Maha Mantra regularly, an individual can attain spiritual liberation (Moksha) or enlightenment, which is characterized by a state of eternal peace, joy, and awareness. In essence, when one chants the Maha Mantra with devotion and sincerity, it can help to reveal the Silent Witness or the individual's true nature, which is beyond the limitations of space and time. This can lead to a profound transformation of consciousness and a deeper understanding of one's place in the universe. I hope this helps! A mantra is obviously not-silent. A mantra can be a reminder to ~enter in to~ the silence, a kind of alarm clock, the old kind that you would wind up. Then, the alarm clock has its own energy, its own reminding energy. But an "alarm clock" is a mechanical effort, it's not what Mr. Ripman is talking about (this is a transcript of a meeting). An alarm clock will eventually run down. There is no such thing as perpetual motion, entropy is everywhere and in all things manifest. Any sort of focus is just a way of shifting state. Guys like Lolz make a big deal and an achievement out of Shikantaza, and zazeniac prides himself on practice and disdains the Eucharist, but hey, who am I to judge!  |
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Post by laughter on Sept 21, 2024 10:51:47 GMT -5
Hypnosis, mantra, meditation, ... Yes they work on the psyche for you not to take anything other than water, a leaf, a grain, a flower. But you just have to brainwash your mind into not doing anything detrimental. Even spiritual masters are not exempted. The people here though they are practicing mind control can't always be what they want to be. As long as you are grounded to this body/mind. Only at death one knows, if one has achieved his goal. As long as you are still alive, nobody really knows what you are going to be in the next. Do you smoke tobacco? Ever get addicted to nicotine? 'Cause I can relate to your predicament via that experience . I can understand how you might be reliant on the medication, but it really ultimately comes down to deciding what you want. |
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