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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 18, 2024 15:55:22 GMT -5
Well, he's sorting through it all. It's not easy to get it right. And he's taking his realizations, and trying to fit other people's realizations into what he sees. That's not a good recipe. But he is presently up against a fallacy. But you can't directly point out the truth to someone else, as they can't see outside of their own box. The world is a hall of mirrors. Now I'm trying to figure out a way to tell sharon she's wrong, but she's not wrong. Well fundamentally what I see here is a lot of non dualists like other's here have seen is the inconsistency of behaviours. Trying to fit the pieces together philosophically regarding the workings of the universe should mirror ones beliefs as always said. Now one minute there are no other's, there are no individuals, there is no one here to be responsible for anything etc etc, then is met with concern for another. If people were straight up here, it would be border line farcical or there is some kind of mental health issue going on. Realisations are realisations and I understand that for some there needs some integration period for the dust to settle so to speak, but extreme differences in behaviour normally reflect one's beliefs when situations force their hand. Wouldn't you agree? That's why normal life experiences work best when backing up one's beliefs expressed on forums like these. I sometimes post on spiritual forums, I have been suspended many times of late just for asking questions to other's like I do here because their behaviours don't match their beliefs. I tell you something for nothing, this non duality stuff sure messes with peeps heads. It's like trying to describe a whole race from a photo-finish photo. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 18, 2024 16:10:29 GMT -5
The body, awareness, attention, the "hardware", potential. ~We~ are not a puppet of the Whole. We are launched into the world, as pioneers, explorers. It's what can witness. The SVP is not the individuation. The so-called SVP is a haphazard collection of endless disorganized data. So true. It's what I have always pointed out. Butt now even when the SVP is put aside, there is now an individual perspective present that can only witness, so there is something that is doing the doing that isn't that lol. There is something different that controls all that happens. The individual needs to be understood but it seems such a mess full of division and illusion even when the idea of separation has been dissolved. It's never-ending cos the goal posts just shift and different words are used. Always devoid of an understanding of what you are that is individualised. Gopal is slowly getting sucked into the ND camp. I think people go wrong trying to squeeze everything into the ND "mold". Yes it's difficult to put a realization into words, that's why they use "pointers". For me, for the most part, it's much simpler than is usually expressed here. The Whole isn't acting, conditioning is playing out. Most activity on the planet is merely conditioning playing out, one person at a time, but in a collective tangled network. I've pretty-much given up trying to express that, here. Karma is playing out. If I stump my big toe on the corner of the bed-frame, it isn't the Whole acting, I just stumped my toe. |
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Post by lolly on Aug 19, 2024 5:45:05 GMT -5
There is merit to clarity, which I call 'insight', though we can't really site a particular thing as the answer, but we can know 'this is a state of ignorance', 'this is an enlightened state', 'this is a realsation', and so on. Whatever the case might be, that's the way it is. The only common denominator is the detachment of knowing, 'It is this way,' without anything further. If you start with deliberate intentional meditation, the ability to discern between the actuality of lived experience and the fabrications of the mind improves, and when you notice you are lost in mentality, you simply return attention to the actuality of your senses. Thus you know what is real (as you experience it) in contrast to what is false (as you imagine it). Don't become complacent with ideas about how and why as if you know answers. Just be conscious of what is, as it is, in the way it is experienced by you. You'll notice suddenly, 'hey I lost awareness of the real', and when that happens, you come back to reality automatically, but since almost all of your time is 'away', it's best to be more deliberate, intentional, persistent, and relentless. In a short time you can't help but notice, 'I'm lost in dreams' because you have already made a clear distinction between being present in the now and being distracted by a wild mind. Don't be adverse toward the wild mind. Just know 'this is mind gone wild', and of course you know that because you discern between the actuality of experience and your inane fabrications.
First you realise you are always 'away'. In a set meditation period, you know your breathing less than a minute and then you're off of 2,3,4,5 minutes. Perhaps the mind says 'only clarity' or other spiritual answer, but really, you just notice you forgot about your breath, and now you remember. In the day to day it's more like you have less than a minute of awareness and you're 'off' for the whole day. Hence it's a good idea to dedicate a time for deliberate meditation practice.
People have spiritual ideas, but they are not real in the here and now. It's more stories being fabricated by the mind, and usually, they are excuses for not getting serious. Just watch 'only clarity' will occur in the mind, and in less than thirty seconds it's gone, but when you think it's 'the answer', you cling to knowing, and that notion becomes repetitive. When you understand that thought is clung to as knowledge, but is in fact without substance, it will cease to recur, and never arise again.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 19, 2024 7:45:25 GMT -5
There is merit to clarity, which I call 'insight', though we can't really site a particular thing as the answer, but we can know 'this is a state of ignorance', 'this is an enlightened state', 'this is a realsation', and so on. Whatever the case might be, that's the way it is. The only common denominator is the detachment of knowing, 'It is this way,' without anything further. If you start with deliberate intentional meditation, the ability to discern between the actuality of lived experience and the fabrications of the mind improves, and when you notice you are lost in mentality, you simply return attention to the actuality of your senses. Thus you know what is real (as you experience it) in contrast to what is false (as you imagine it). Don't become complacent with ideas about how and why as if you know answers. Just be conscious of what is, as it is, in the way it is experienced by you. You'll notice suddenly, 'hey I lost awareness of the real', and when that happens, you come back to reality automatically, but since almost all of your time is 'away', it's best to be more deliberate, intentional, persistent, and relentless. In a short time you can't help but notice, 'I'm lost in dreams' because you have already made a clear distinction between being present in the now and being distracted by a wild mind. Don't be adverse toward the wild mind. Just know 'this is mind gone wild', and of course you know that because you discern between the actuality of experience and your inane fabrications. First you realise you are always 'away'. In a set meditation period, you know your breathing less than a minute and then you're off of 2,3,4,5 minutes. Perhaps the mind says 'only clarity' or other spiritual answer, but really, you just notice you forgot about your breath, and now you remember. In the day to day it's more like you have less than a minute of awareness and you're 'off' for the whole day. Hence it's a good idea to dedicate a time for deliberate meditation practice. People have spiritual ideas, but they are not real in the here and now. It's more stories being fabricated by the mind, and usually, they are excuses for not getting serious. Just watch 'only clarity' will occur in the mind, and in less than thirty seconds it's gone, but when you think it's 'the answer', you cling to knowing, and that notion becomes repetitive. When you understand that thought is clung to as knowledge, but is in fact without substance, it will cease to recur, and never arise again.
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Post by laughter on Aug 19, 2024 14:11:32 GMT -5
You could have used a hundred examples in the world of events that are not in Gopal's control but you chose this one. It just shows me what kind of a man you are. I used this example because it is current and most members were sending the frog healing daily as was I. Sending healing daily because that's what kind of man I am, not what poisoned and bitter image you are coming up with. I have reported your post. I am not having it. Your image is so bitter and twisted I genuinely feel sorry for the way you feel. That's one way to imagine her inner state as she wrote that, but not the only way. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 19, 2024 14:13:21 GMT -5
If it's a mystery then just leave it at that. I was gone, came back to edit, here is fine. Most seeds, acknowledge they are seeds, and consider that enough. That's a tragedy. There is a depth to appreciating the mystery that one who is still seeking it can only begin to imagine.  |
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Post by laughter on Aug 19, 2024 14:21:17 GMT -5
Yes, everything is in my control. All That Is is simply imaging this reality. It can imagine anything else in the next moment. No, it can't. In a card game, it can't imagine 3 of a kind beats a full house. Ranking the hands by probability of getting it dealt has a basis in logical expectation, but the decision to follow that ranking is, ultimately, arbitrary. There is a simplified version of Bridge that jail inmates play called "Spades" where the deuces are the most powerful cards in the deck. If you let go of the prison of structure, there's no reason three aces shouldn't beat threes over fours.  |
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Post by laughter on Aug 19, 2024 14:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Aug 19, 2024 14:28:46 GMT -5
There is merit to clarity, which I call 'insight', though we can't really site a particular thing as the answer, but we can know 'this is a state of ignorance', 'this is an enlightened state', 'this is a realsation', and so on. Whatever the case might be, that's the way it is. The only common denominator is the detachment of knowing, 'It is this way,' without anything further. If you start with deliberate intentional meditation, the ability to discern between the actuality of lived experience and the fabrications of the mind improves, and when you notice you are lost in mentality, you simply return attention to the actuality of your senses. Thus you know what is real (as you experience it) in contrast to what is false (as you imagine it). Don't become complacent with ideas about how and why as if you know answers. Just be conscious of what is, as it is, in the way it is experienced by you. You'll notice suddenly, 'hey I lost awareness of the real', and when that happens, you come back to reality automatically, but since almost all of your time is 'away', it's best to be more deliberate, intentional, persistent, and relentless. In a short time you can't help but notice, 'I'm lost in dreams' because you have already made a clear distinction between being present in the now and being distracted by a wild mind. Don't be adverse toward the wild mind. Just know 'this is mind gone wild', and of course you know that because you discern between the actuality of experience and your inane fabrications. First you realise you are always 'away'. In a set meditation period, you know your breathing less than a minute and then you're off of 2,3,4,5 minutes. Perhaps the mind says 'only clarity' or other spiritual answer, but really, you just notice you forgot about your breath, and now you remember. In the day to day it's more like you have less than a minute of awareness and you're 'off' for the whole day. Hence it's a good idea to dedicate a time for deliberate meditation practice. People have spiritual ideas, but they are not real in the here and now. It's more stories being fabricated by the mind, and usually, they are excuses for not getting serious. Just watch 'only clarity' will occur in the mind, and in less than thirty seconds it's gone, but when you think it's 'the answer', you cling to knowing, and that notion becomes repetitive. When you understand that thought is clung to as knowledge, but is in fact without substance, it will cease to recur, and never arise again.
Most excellent. Yes, lolz always bringin' the simple sanity. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 19, 2024 22:28:17 GMT -5
Yes, everything is in my control. All That Is is simply imaging this reality. It can imagine anything else in the next moment. You are personalising 'all that is' being in control of all there is that isn't personal. How is all that is, imagining anything? Of course what you are proclaiming is all theory which is fine, but it would help if you think that all that is, is planning your non existent next step. Which in my eyes makes no sense at all. All That Is is the inclusive of all perspective. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 19, 2024 22:29:53 GMT -5
What do you understand by the word Individuated consciousness? The body, awareness, attention, the "hardware", potential. ~We~ are not a puppet of the Whole. We are launched into the world, as pioneers, explorers. It's what can witness. The SVP is not the individuation. The so-called SVP is a haphazard collection of endless disorganized data. That's what this forum has been calling as illusion. There is no separate individual exist. Everything moves as one. Every single perspective of All That Is is witnessing. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 20, 2024 5:43:42 GMT -5
The body, awareness, attention, the "hardware", potential. ~We~ are not a puppet of the Whole. We are launched into the world, as pioneers, explorers. It's what can witness. The SVP is not the individuation. The so-called SVP is a haphazard collection of endless disorganized data. That's what this forum has been calling as illusion. There is no separate individual exist. Everything moves as one. Every single perspective of All That Is is witnessing. Can you tell me what you mean by illusory? Does the illusory exist in any sense? If so, in what sense? Be careful, don't just throw out an answer, like you usually do. As sdp knows the answer. (Here, you can surpass ZD, as he [almost] never gives a straight answer to this question). This is your 'final exam'. You pass or fail on this answer. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 20, 2024 7:08:57 GMT -5
That's what this forum has been calling as illusion. There is no separate individual exist. Everything moves as one. Every single perspective of All That Is is witnessing. Can you tell me what you mean by illusory? Does the illusory exist in any sense? If so, in what sense? Be careful, don't just throw out an answer, like you usually do. As sdp knows the answer. (Here, you can surpass ZD, as he [almost] never gives a straight answer to this question). This is your 'final exam'. You pass or fail on this answer. Let me fail your exam, I don't have any need to pass this exam which you are conducting. |
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Post by melvin on Aug 20, 2024 7:14:51 GMT -5
![]() Maybe this is how it's meant, 1) The act of pursuing or " chasing " after something ( e.g a goal, desire, person) is where the problem lies, rather than the thing itself. The focus of the pursuit can cause more issues than the actual object or outcome. 2) The problem arises from the constant need to chase, pursue, or seek out things, rather than being content or present with one already has. The restlessness of always needing to chase something new is the source of the problem. 3) The act of chasing pursuing or desiring, can be the root cause of problems, rather than the thing being chased. The attachment and striving is where the real issue lies. Yes, and also Chasing expressed via devising the plan. Witnessing begins when one finally realizes All That Is. The chasing stops. In all its glory, one reaches the top of Mt Kailash, so to speak. One does not age. Nor one's fingernails grow, having merged with the Parambrahman, transcends the I am. Nor one is envious of this knowing or non- possession of it. This is mukti, liberation. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 20, 2024 7:17:53 GMT -5
Yes, and also Chasing expressed via devising the plan. In all its glory, one reaches the top of Mt Kailash, so to speak. One does not age. Nor one's fingernails grow, having merged with the Parambrahman, transcends the I am. Nor one is envious of this knowing or non- possession of it. This is mukti, liberation. could be. |
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