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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 29, 2022 21:34:11 GMT -5
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. 🦃 Yes, true gratitude is one of those special, emergent things. It can even have practical applications when life starts kicking up friction.  Let's see if sree will leave a tip. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 22:13:28 GMT -5
I read it, and I disagree. I think you're wrong about that. Where am I wrong? Can you know the next thought? Isn't that your focus of attention occupied by the present moment thought/perception? |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 29, 2022 22:55:29 GMT -5
I read it, and I disagree. I think you're wrong about that. Where am I wrong? Can you know the next thought? Isn't that your focus of attention occupied by the present moment thought/perception? , I believe that truth can't be approached through arguing about it. You can only state your view; I can only state mine. From such exchanges we might infer questions and symbolic hints that we can then individually address intuitively, with our respective inner-sources of guidance and knowledge. For example, your questions bellow seem irrelevant to me: Can you know the next thought? Isn't that your focus of attention occupied by the present moment thought/perception? If there is in them something relevant to me, my subconscious will bring it to my attention, and I'll probably realize that that got to me through you. You might actually say or ask something relevant to me, without your direct knowledge about it, with completely different intentions, something you don't understand. Same with your explanation bellow, which seems nonsensical to me ( no offense intended): You don't have freewill because your focus of attention is preoccupied by your present moment of thought/perception so you can't choose between thoughts so you don't have freewill. I believe that our egos have free-will, as every other part of our personalities, as gestalts of consciousness, does. I explained earlier about gestalts of consciousness. Surely, I don't intend to convince you, and I don't even recommend that you accept my views. Your best bet, I believe, is to trust only your inner-guidance. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2022 0:16:51 GMT -5
Where am I wrong? Can you know the next thought? Isn't that your focus of attention occupied by the present moment thought/perception? , I believe that truth can't be approached through arguing about it. You can only state your view; I can only state mine. From such exchanges we might infer questions and symbolic hints that we can then individually address intuitively, with our respective inner-sources of guidance and knowledge. For example, your questions bellow seem irrelevant to me: Can you know the next thought? Isn't that your focus of attention occupied by the present moment thought/perception? If there is in them something relevant to me, my subconscious will bring it to my attention, and I'll probably realize that that got to me through you. You might actually say or ask something relevant to me, without your direct knowledge about it, with completely different intentions, something you don't understand. Same with your explanation bellow, which seems nonsensical to me ( no offense intended): You don't have freewill because your focus of attention is preoccupied by your present moment of thought/perception so you can't choose between thoughts so you don't have freewill. I believe that our egos have free-will, as every other part of our personalities, as gestalts of consciousness, does. I explained earlier about gestalts of consciousness. Surely, I don't intend to convince you, and I don't even recommend that you accept my views. Your best bet, I believe, is to trust only your inner-guidance. Can't you spend a min to look at your attention to know the truth of whether your focus is always occupied by a thought/perception, is that very difficult for you? Can't you spend a little time for whether you can know what's your next thought? |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 30, 2022 1:11:51 GMT -5
Can't you spend a min to look at your attention to know the truth of whether your focus is always occupied by a thought/perception, is that very difficult for you? Can't you spend a little time for whether you can know what's your next thought? I don't deliberately try to be difficult or contradict you, but I don't understand what you're asking. What do you mean by " looking at my attention"? I (as in my whole-self) permanently control my focus, through my senses, physical and non-physical. I even directly ask my subconscious for an optimum trance and focus for whatever I intend to do: driving, sleeping, reading, working-out, contacting my inner-guidance, interpreting a dream or an event, etc.. I look at the physical-reality (which I believe to be the creation of my own subconscious based on inner-perceptions) through my physical-senses, but I also get subconscious perceptions I can't control, which I often can recognize (intuition, psychic feeling in the solar plexus, ...). I can intentionally tap some of my non-physical senses. I can project my focus, pretty well, anywhere in the (time, space, probability) physical-hyperspace, and in some non-physical states of consciousness. Some thoughts, as I define them, are my self's ways of tending to my perceptions. Thoughts aren't perceptions. Other thoughts are creative, and tend to my goals, interests, etc.. There is at least one author that talks about " pure awareness", who suggests asking " where will my next thought come from?", as a way of tapping that pure awareness, because the lack of answer to that question creates a momentary blank in your mind [1]. I think he has something there, but I think he got it experientially, misunderstanding somewhat what he got. I attend a state of " expanded awareness" (my way of describing it) that allows me the best access to physical and nonphysical perceptions and projections. But it isn't a "blankness", it is quite the opposite, a "vibrant expansion". So, I think that probably I always "think" about something in whatever state of consciousness I am focused. I either intentionally control my thoughts, or I let them flow (like when dreaming) and react to perceptions. I think always in the present of my awareness, but I can focus anywhere in time, as a coordinate of the physical-hyperspace, also into other gestalts of consciousness. For the latter, I would compare that to accessing your physical self, or another's, at another age, or in another probability. You can't say that the you-at-5-year-old is dead, or doesn't "exist", or that changed into something else. I'm sure I didn't answer what you expected to read, but I made the effort to clarify why I say that your questions and explanations don't make sense to me. And again, I believe that we cannot approach a clearer truth through argumentation, evidence, or such, but each one individually only through his own inner-source of guidance and knowledge. ========== EDIT: [1] That "momentary blank in your mind" is associated with the somnambulistic trance; the other half is physical relaxation. The state implies the bypass of the critical factor, and the establishing of selective thinking. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2022 4:25:31 GMT -5
Can't you spend a min to look at your attention to know the truth of whether your focus is always occupied by a thought/perception, is that very difficult for you? Can't you spend a little time for whether you can know what's your next thought? I don't deliberately try to be difficult or contradict you, but I don't understand what you're asking. What do you mean by " looking at my attention"? I (as in my whole-self) permanently control my focus, through my senses, physical and non-physical. I even directly ask my subconscious for an optimum trance and focus for whatever I intend to do: driving, sleeping, reading, working-out, contacting my inner-guidance, interpreting a dream or an event, etc.. I look at the physical-reality (which I believe to be the creation of my own subconscious based on inner-perceptions) through my physical-senses, but I also get subconscious perceptions I can't control, which I often can recognize (intuition, psychic feeling in the solar plexus, ...). I can intentionally tap some of my non-physical senses. I can project my focus, pretty well, anywhere in the (time, space, probability) physical-hyperspace, and in some non-physical states of consciousness. Some thoughts, as I define them, are my self's ways of tending to my perceptions. Thoughts aren't perceptions. Other thoughts are creative, and tend to my goals, interests, etc.. There is at least one author that talks about " pure awareness", who suggests asking " where will my next thought come from?", as a way of tapping that pure awareness, because the lack of answer to that question creates a momentary blank in your mind [1]. I think he has something there, but I think he got it experientially, misunderstanding somewhat what he got. I attend a state of " expanded awareness" (my way of describing it) that allows me the best access to physical and nonphysical perceptions and projections. But it isn't a "blankness", it is quite the opposite, a "vibrant expansion". So, I think that probably I always "think" about something in whatever state of consciousness I am focused. I either intentionally control my thoughts, or I let them flow (like when dreaming) and react to perceptions. I think always in the present of my awareness, but I can focus anywhere in time, as a coordinate of the physical-hyperspace, also into other gestalts of consciousness. For the latter, I would compare that to accessing your physical self, or another's, at another age, or in another probability. You can't say that the you-at-5-year-old is dead, or doesn't "exist", or that changed into something else. I'm sure I didn't answer what you expected to read, but I made the effort to clarify why I say that your questions and explanations don't make sense to me. And again, I believe that we cannot approach a clearer truth through argumentation, evidence, or such, but each one individually only through his own inner-source of guidance and knowledge. ========== EDIT: [1] That "momentary blank in your mind" is associated with the somnambulistic trance; the other half is physical relaxation. The state implies the bypass of the critical factor, and the establishing of selective thinking. That's not happening is what my whole point is. You appear to be controlling but those are also the thoughts which spontaneously appearing in your awareness, that's what I am saying, your awareness is always in a present thought/present perception, it can't know what's next unless something else pops up. Do this small exercise, Sincerely wait for the next thought, next thought wouldn't appear because waiting thought is being experienced now which you may mistaken for waiting. Your awareness is where thought is formed but no control over what thought appear there. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 30, 2022 11:17:57 GMT -5
Can't you spend a min to look at your attention to know the truth of whether your focus is always occupied by a thought/perception, is that very difficult for you? Can't you spend a little time for whether you can know what's your next thought? I don't deliberately try to be difficult or contradict you, but I don't understand what you're asking. What do you mean by " looking at my attention"? I (as in my whole-self) permanently control my focus, through my senses, physical and non-physical. I even directly ask my subconscious for an optimum trance and focus for whatever I intend to do: driving, sleeping, reading, working-out, contacting my inner-guidance, interpreting a dream or an event, etc.. I look at the physical-reality (which I believe to be the creation of my own subconscious based on inner-perceptions) through my physical-senses, but I also get subconscious perceptions I can't control, which I often can recognize (intuition, psychic feeling in the solar plexus, ...). I can intentionally tap some of my non-physical senses. I can project my focus, pretty well, anywhere in the (time, space, probability) physical-hyperspace, and in some non-physical states of consciousness. Some thoughts, as I define them, are my self's ways of tending to my perceptions. Thoughts aren't perceptions. Other thoughts are creative, and tend to my goals, interests, etc.. There is at least one author that talks about "pure awareness", who suggests asking " where will my next thought come from?", as a way of tapping that pure awareness, because the lack of answer to that question creates a momentary blank in your mind [1]. I think he has something there, but I think he got it experientially, misunderstanding somewhat what he got. I attend a state of "expanded awareness" (my way of describing it) that allows me the best access to physical and nonphysical perceptions and projections. But it isn't a "blankness", it is quite the opposite, a "vibrant expansion".So, I think that probably I always "think" about something in whatever state of consciousness I am focused. I either intentionally control my thoughts, or I let them flow (like when dreaming) and react to perceptions. I think always in the present of my awareness, but I can focus anywhere in time, as a coordinate of the physical-hyperspace, also into other gestalts of consciousness. For the latter, I would compare that to accessing your physical self, or another's, at another age, or in another probability. You can't say that the you-at-5-year-old is dead, or doesn't "exist", or that changed into something else. I'm sure I didn't answer what you expected to read, but I made the effort to clarify why I say that your questions and explanations don't make sense to me. And again, I believe that we cannot approach a clearer truth through argumentation, evidence, or such, but each one individually only through his own inner-source of guidance and knowledge. ========== EDIT: [1] That "momentary blank in your mind" is associated with the somnambulistic trance; the other half is physical relaxation. The state implies the bypass of the critical factor, and the establishing of selective thinking. Is this expanded awareness-vibrant expansion always present? Does the expanded awareness-vibrant expansion *get lost* in thoughts and things? Where/what is what ~you~ call I in relation to the expanded awareness-vibrant expansion? |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 30, 2022 16:00:56 GMT -5
I don't deliberately try to be difficult or contradict you, but I don't understand what you're asking. What do you mean by " looking at my attention"? I (as in my whole-self) permanently control my focus, through my senses, physical and non-physical. I even directly ask my subconscious for an optimum trance and focus for whatever I intend to do: driving, sleeping, reading, working-out, contacting my inner-guidance, interpreting a dream or an event, etc.. I look at the physical-reality (which I believe to be the creation of my own subconscious based on inner-perceptions) through my physical-senses, but I also get subconscious perceptions I can't control, which I often can recognize (intuition, psychic feeling in the solar plexus, ...). I can intentionally tap some of my non-physical senses. I can project my focus, pretty well, anywhere in the (time, space, probability) physical-hyperspace, and in some non-physical states of consciousness. Some thoughts, as I define them, are my self's ways of tending to my perceptions. Thoughts aren't perceptions. Other thoughts are creative, and tend to my goals, interests, etc.. There is at least one author that talks about "pure awareness", who suggests asking " where will my next thought come from?", as a way of tapping that pure awareness, because the lack of answer to that question creates a momentary blank in your mind [1]. I think he has something there, but I think he got it experientially, misunderstanding somewhat what he got. I attend a state of "expanded awareness" (my way of describing it) that allows me the best access to physical and nonphysical perceptions and projections. But it isn't a "blankness", it is quite the opposite, a "vibrant expansion".So, I think that probably I always "think" about something in whatever state of consciousness I am focused. I either intentionally control my thoughts, or I let them flow (like when dreaming) and react to perceptions. I think always in the present of my awareness, but I can focus anywhere in time, as a coordinate of the physical-hyperspace, also into other gestalts of consciousness. For the latter, I would compare that to accessing your physical self, or another's, at another age, or in another probability. You can't say that the you-at-5-year-old is dead, or doesn't "exist", or that changed into something else. I'm sure I didn't answer what you expected to read, but I made the effort to clarify why I say that your questions and explanations don't make sense to me. And again, I believe that we cannot approach a clearer truth through argumentation, evidence, or such, but each one individually only through his own inner-source of guidance and knowledge. ========== EDIT: [1] That "momentary blank in your mind" is associated with the somnambulistic trance; the other half is physical relaxation. The state implies the bypass of the critical factor, and the establishing of selective thinking. Is this expanded awareness-vibrant expansion always present? Does the expanded awareness-vibrant expansion *get lost* in thoughts and things? Where/what is what ~you~ call I in relation to the expanded awareness-vibrant expansion? No. It isn't always present. I ask my subconscious for "expanded awareness" when I intend to project my focus elsewhere than the current physical (moment, place, probability) point of what I call physical-hyperspace. It takes a few seconds. That state isn't optimum for situations like driving, showering, working-out, reading, ... It isn't only about depth of trance, nor relaxation. In the beginning, I was trying to get into an altered state of consciousness, and even gauge it on an imaginary yardstick, from 1 to 100. In time, I learned to ask my subconscious to optimize my state for the intended "activity". It seems that states of consciousness are somehow multi-dimensional, a gestalt. I generally call "I" the identity that is aware. When I expand my awareness, this "I" has conscious access to inner-senses, it seems to have expanded psychic capabilities. It is more, but not dramatically more. I think that it may be caused by a reshaping of my belief framework. This "expanded awareness" is different from all the hypnotic-trance states I've experienced, or I've read about. It really feels like a vibrant expansion, it feels limitless in reach. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 1, 2022 12:37:41 GMT -5
I am now a believer. Croatia just tied Belgium to move on to the knockout round. Belgium had at least 5 almost-goals/all-but goals. It was actually an almost-miracle Belgium didn't score, at least 2 served on a platter. So Belgium is out. Brazil and Croatia are in opposite brackets so could face each other in the final game. Brazil could knockout Argentina, if they both get that far. Brazil is #1 in the world. Croatia is #12. But that means little at this point. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 13:19:22 GMT -5
I am now a believer. Croatia just tied Belgium to move on to the knockout round. Belgium had at least 5 almost-goals/all-but goals. It was actually an almost-miracle Belgium didn't score, at least 2 served on a platter. So Belgium is out. Brazil and Croatia are in opposite brackets so could face each other in the final game. Brazil could knockout Argentina, if they both get that far. Brazil is #1 in the world. Croatia is #12. But that means little at this point. |
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Post by inavalan on Dec 1, 2022 16:55:18 GMT -5
I am now a believer. Croatia just tied Belgium to move on to the knockout round. Belgium had at least 5 almost-goals/all-but goals. It was actually an almost-miracle Belgium didn't score, at least 2 served on a platter. So Belgium is out. Brazil and Croatia are in opposite brackets so could face each other in the final game. Brazil could knockout Argentina, if they both get that far. Brazil is #1 in the world. Croatia is #12. But that means little at this point. that prediction too. Her prediction has nothing to do with what makes sense, obviously. I posted it it here mostly because I knew you are interested in I Ching and such. After reading her prediction, I did a quick "psychic feeling" blind-check, and I was surprised. |
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Post by inavalan on Dec 1, 2022 17:10:13 GMT -5
I am now a believer. Croatia just tied Belgium to move on to the knockout round. Belgium had at least 5 almost-goals/all-but goals. It was actually an almost-miracle Belgium didn't score, at least 2 served on a platter. So Belgium is out. Brazil and Croatia are in opposite brackets so could face each other in the final game. Brazil could knockout Argentina, if they both get that far. Brazil is #1 in the world. Croatia is #12. But that means little at this point. Maybe this is just what the woman saw: Croatia battling, in a decisive match, a B named country, and Croatia moving on ... |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 1, 2022 17:27:30 GMT -5
I am now a believer. Croatia just tied Belgium to move on to the knockout round. Belgium had at least 5 almost-goals/all-but goals. It was actually an almost-miracle Belgium didn't score, at least 2 served on a platter. So Belgium is out. Brazil and Croatia are in opposite brackets so could face each other in the final game. Brazil could knockout Argentina, if they both get that far. Brazil is #1 in the world. Croatia is #12. But that means little at this point. that prediction too. Her prediction has nothing to do with what makes sense, obviously. I posted it it here mostly because I knew you are interested in I Ching and such. After reading her prediction, I did a quick "psychic feeling" blind-check, and I was surprised. I think they play Japan next. They should be able to beat Japan. ..........This actually raises the possibility of a block universe. And too PD Ouspensky's idea of eternal recurrence. That is, if she is correct. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Dec 1, 2022 19:58:48 GMT -5
I'm watching that prediction too. Her prediction has nothing to do with what makes sense, obviously. I posted it it here mostly because I knew you are interested in I Ching and such. After reading her prediction, I did a quick "psychic feeling" blind-check, and I was surprised. I think they play Japan next. They should be able to beat Japan. ..........This actually raises the possibility of a block universe. And too PD Ouspensky's idea of eternal recurrence. That is, if she is correct. I would not be super excited about playing Japan after they knocked off both of the big teams in the group of death. They've risen to the occasion in a major way. I like several of the players on the Croatian side though. |
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Post by inavalan on Dec 1, 2022 21:40:46 GMT -5
I'm watching that prediction too. Her prediction has nothing to do with what makes sense, obviously. I posted it it here mostly because I knew you are interested in I Ching and such. After reading her prediction, I did a quick "psychic feeling" blind-check, and I was surprised. I think they play Japan next. They should be able to beat Japan. ..........This actually raises the possibility of a block universe. And too PD Ouspensky's idea of eternal recurrence. That is, if she is correct. I am not familiar with those terms. My view is that ESP is about tapping into your inner-senses; those can perceive probabilities, and your inner-self can operate with them. Intuition is a catch-all for all these things that happen under the radar, and asparagus, i ching, and other such methods allow the ego to shift and / or expand its awareness, consequently accessing information not ordinarily available. Besides the probabilistic aspect of that information, there are also inherent distortions, misinterpretations too. |
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