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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 30, 2022 20:08:19 GMT -5
August 2017, according to this link below. Bourdain died on June 2018, 10 months after the interview. I don't buy the diagnosis of mental illness in people like Momo who wants to die. The doctors who practice this kind of medicine is insane. To me, the world we live in is a horrible place. To everybody else, life is normal, and anyone who can't handle the stress is emotionally unstable, neurotic, or mentally ill.
I think it was your fella that said, ''It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” It is no sign of sanity to be well adjusted to a sick society - R D Laing This famous quote by Ronnie Laing, the much-maligned yet unarguably brilliant founder of the anti-psychiatry movement, speaks directly of the profound and implicit impact of family and social systems upon our perceptions of self, other and world. Laing, an iconoclastic Scottish psychiatrist and founder of the Philadelphia association, argued that the psychiatry of his time was inherently pathologizing of the valid expressions of the lived experience of patients under psychiatric ‘care’. He was arguably instrumental in bringing the ‘user-movement’ into being within mental health services, by providing a platform for, and giving a voice to, a group which heretofore had been effectively silenced by both psychiatric theory and practice. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 30, 2022 20:13:15 GMT -5
Yes, I'm quite aware of my good fortune. All this spiritual culture helped me get in touch with what can be expressed - but only as a sort of shadow - as gratitude. Also, the old adage .. "God protects fools".  As for you, I'd just like to point out that you wrote that you could relate to Bourdain, his "lonely and living in constant uncertainty". Can you see how what you've expressed to me here has led you to that loneliness? Is that the way you want it to be? Please don't take this as some sort of attack. I'm just honestly responding to what you're expressing. It's all good. Don't worry about hurting my feelings. Honest responses make a meaningful conversation.
Being lonely, in my case, is not a matter of choice. I can't fit in a family situation like yours and andrew's. You guys are in a safe place. The Queen was in the mother of all safe places with a mega family spanning the globe. Imagine being the King of England. Getting up in the morning with the butler attending to me, helping me get dressed for breakfast served by pretty maids all in a row. No wonder there are so many bastards in British royalty.
A man needs a home that his wife provides. It's a pity that the world is not a safe place. Children make the family. Bourdain had a wife and child. Why didn't it work out for him?
Whether or not it's a matter of choice, or whether it is your "perception creating your reality" are just thought-warrens for the rabbit mind. More directly, simply recognize that you described the reasons for your loneliness here. You're not interested in meeting people. you think you have to "stay out of trouble", and have decided to live "a life like Bodhiharma facing the wall". In relative, dualistic, personal terms, you might be able to change your state to one of less loneliness if you got interested in meeting people. This is obviously quite obvious, but .. whatever.  |
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Post by sree on Sept 30, 2022 21:53:37 GMT -5
It's all good. Don't worry about hurting my feelings. Honest responses make a meaningful conversation.
Being lonely, in my case, is not a matter of choice. I can't fit in a family situation like yours and andrew's. You guys are in a safe place. The Queen was in the mother of all safe places with a mega family spanning the globe. Imagine being the King of England. Getting up in the morning with the butler attending to me, helping me get dressed for breakfast served by pretty maids all in a row. No wonder there are so many bastards in British royalty.
A man needs a home that his wife provides. It's a pity that the world is not a safe place. Children make the family. Bourdain had a wife and child. Why didn't it work out for him?
Whether or not it's a matter of choice, or whether it is your "perception creating your reality" are just thought-warrens for the rabbit mind. More directly, simply recognize that you described the reasons for your loneliness here. You're not interested in meeting people. you think you have to "stay out of trouble", and have decided to live "a life like Bodhiharma facing the wall".
In relative, dualistic, personal terms, you might be able to change your state to one of less loneliness if you got interested in meeting people. This is obviously quite obvious, but .. whatever. Yes, I do have to stay out of trouble. "Loneliness" to me is what a drug addict experiences when he goes cold turkey. People need people for a psychological reason. As someone said, humans are talking animals; and when they have no one to talk to, they talk to themselves (meditation). Meeting people and talking to people in the real world is burdensome and leads to complications. I don't even keep a dog or cat for companionship. Dog food; cat litter; it's too draining. A wife? Forget it. So, I just restrict myself to transactional relationships and do all my socializing there: chatting with the fish guy, the car mechanic, even the bee man who came yesterday to deal with hornets making a nest on my front porch. I am pretty adept at chatting people up and, like Bourdain, connect with them easily. Passing ships in the night.
Watch that feeling of loneliness, Krishnamurti would say. Watch it like a precious jewel till it flowers and dies away. It hasn't. It's always there and I listen to its call without making a move in response, just like Ulysses, tied to the ship's mast, listening to the songs of the sirens. Bourdain was shipwrecked.
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Post by sree on Sept 30, 2022 22:40:57 GMT -5
Perception is reality even if it doesn’t check out. I never thought it did when I was a kid, no older than 8, peering into the mirror. I looked at my face intently. My gaze was drawn to my eyes, and I instinctively snapped out of it when the sense of being me was not there. I still remember that moment, looking into the holes, the pupils, of my eyes. It frightened me. I get that same eerie feeling whenever I am at the dentist looking at that 3D x-ray of that human jaw with all those teeth stuck in it. Is that me? Reefs said I have a crisis of identity. I do. I have not figured out what the hell I am yet. Life is a mystery that I can’t figure out. It’s the attempt to figure it out that causes the crisis. I am caught between a rock and a hard place: either accept Laffy’s real world of wife and family or live with a crisis of identity. Momo wants to die. Don’t we all? Conventional wisdom deems this desire a mental illness. Is it? Bourdain, months before his death at 61, had a ripped physique. Good alignment. He was fully engaged in a successful career as the rock star of the culinary world. Excellent alignment. Are those the signs of psychological impairment? One thing that was clear to me decades ago, even as a condescending agnostic leaf in the subconscious wind, is that rich people suffer too, and, given that they don't have the challenge of immediate survival in front of them, sometimes their own minds and emotions can turn on them. This wasn't by direct experience, as those immediate challenges have only ever receded for me in intervals and by matter of degree. Now, the point of relating this isn't about monetary wealth. You mention Anthony's good health and other attributes, and those are all signs of alignment, and can happen for guys who don't have lots of money. My point is a sort of analogy: alignment is a form of "wealth". By that analogy, aligned persons can suffer every bit as much as those out of alignment, because suffering can often be quite nonlinear in relation to pain. In terms of the "1-2-3 ontology" that lolz and I were discussing, this is mostly at step 2 for me, similar to my understanding of how rich people can suffer, from decades ago. All it takes is a little empathy for the distinction between step 2 and 3 to be a DWAD. ok, enough bloviating. No. I'd say they are signs of sensitivity. Much of the ugliness that you've written about on this forum since your appearance is grounded in clear perception, and none of the underlying social issues related to that ugliness have any static solutions. Your mind, and even your emotions applied to this will never do anything but spin, and while I've never been there, I can imagine that this could be a source of great pain.
What do you want to do about it?I can't do anything about it. I am stuck. I can't go back to a conventional life where you guys are at. The caterpillar stage is over. I don't feel like a butterfly floating free in a state of nothingness. I am a goddam pupa, a minder of the body.
Momo wants to die because minding the body is too hard, and there is nothing in it for Momo. Life in Japan is bleak. Life everywhere in the world is bleak. I can empathize with that feeling of despair even though my life is not bleak. My life is just empty of purpose. Isn't spirituality about the ending of desire?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2022 7:02:03 GMT -5
Perception is reality even if it doesn’t check out. I never thought it did when I was a kid, no older than 8, peering into the mirror. I looked at my face intently. My gaze was drawn to my eyes, and I instinctively snapped out of it when the sense of being me was not there. I still remember that moment, looking into the holes, the pupils, of my eyes. It frightened me. I get that same eerie feeling whenever I am at the dentist looking at that 3D x-ray of that human jaw with all those teeth stuck in it. Is that me? Reefs said I have a crisis of identity. I do. I have not figured out what the hell I am yet. Life is a mystery that I can’t figure out. It’s the attempt to figure it out that causes the crisis. I am caught between a rock and a hard place: either accept Laffy’s real world of wife and family or live with a crisis of identity. Momo wants to die. Don’t we all? Conventional wisdom deems this desire a mental illness. Is it? Bourdain, months before his death at 61, had a ripped physique. Good alignment. He was fully engaged in a successful career as the rock star of the culinary world. Excellent alignment. Are those the signs of psychological impairment? Bourdain was vulnerable; like a boat in the stormy sea of life. He was free to battle the elements. Momo was not vulnerable. Most of us are Momos, farmed animals, securely corralled and caged, for labor and slaughter. Momo wants to die.
There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t get a feeling that it’s great to be alive. It has nothing to do with being successful, being loved, or in the midst of having a good time. It is a sudden elation brought on by something nice. It could be the sight of the grey block paving beneath the green canopy of the red bud tree in my garden evoking the al fresco setting of an osteria in Rome. Memory? Can spiritual ecstasy be a thing of mind? Letting the Live get dragged into the Dead by your mind and it's thirst for nostalgia is a habit you won't be getting out of anytime soon. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 1, 2022 9:29:11 GMT -5
One thing that was clear to me decades ago, even as a condescending agnostic leaf in the subconscious wind, is that rich people suffer too, and, given that they don't have the challenge of immediate survival in front of them, sometimes their own minds and emotions can turn on them. This wasn't by direct experience, as those immediate challenges have only ever receded for me in intervals and by matter of degree. Now, the point of relating this isn't about monetary wealth. You mention Anthony's good health and other attributes, and those are all signs of alignment, and can happen for guys who don't have lots of money. My point is a sort of analogy: alignment is a form of "wealth". By that analogy, aligned persons can suffer every bit as much as those out of alignment, because suffering can often be quite nonlinear in relation to pain. In terms of the "1-2-3 ontology" that lolz and I were discussing, this is mostly at step 2 for me, similar to my understanding of how rich people can suffer, from decades ago. All it takes is a little empathy for the distinction between step 2 and 3 to be a DWAD. ok, enough bloviating. No. I'd say they are signs of sensitivity. Much of the ugliness that you've written about on this forum since your appearance is grounded in clear perception, and none of the underlying social issues related to that ugliness have any static solutions. Your mind, and even your emotions applied to this will never do anything but spin, and while I've never been there, I can imagine that this could be a source of great pain.
What do you want to do about it?I can't do anything about it. I am stuck. I can't go back to a conventional life where you guys are at. The caterpillar stage is over. I don't feel like a butterfly floating free in a state of nothingness. I am a goddam pupa, a minder of the body.
Momo wants to die because minding the body is too hard, and there is nothing in it for Momo. Life in Japan is bleak. Life everywhere in the world is bleak. I can empathize with that feeling of despair even though my life is not bleak. My life is just empty of purpose. Isn't spirituality about the ending of desire?
Problems do not exist out there in the world, all problems exist within ourselves, ~we~ are the problem, that is, the conditioned self. It sounds like you have taken care of the needs of the body, food, shelter and clothes, so the problem is *satisfying* the needs of the conditioned self, your psychology. One of the first things I posted to you, Wherever you go, there you are. So it doesn't matter, a part of society, or not, you carry around your own problems. We are like velcro, there is a mesh side, you, and a hooks side, the world. The conditioned self, the mesh, the lock, is seeking to find something exterior to fulfill it, the hooks side of the velcro, or a key. So nothing has to be given up externally. Loneliness arises from the mesh (without the world-hooks). One can be alone in a crowd and be lonely, one can be alone, apart from people, and can be lonely, or not lonely. The mesh can be altered so that the hooks-world does not attach to it. This is real freedom. Momo had somehow detached from the world, nothing in the world was worth her interest. I'd say that was a failure, she was still living through her conditioned self. The mesh was still there, but could find nothing to 'go after' to bring fulfillment or satisfaction. It seemed Bourdain still needed something exterior to fulfill himself. It seemed he had found the perfect lady, mesh and hooks. But she left, betrayed him in some way. It seems that sree is ~afraid~ of being disappointed in life, so is withdrawing from life. But the conditioned-mesh is still there, it seems, from your own admission. There is a ~place~, ~space~ within, where there is no mesh, nothing for the world to attach to. This is freedom. This would be the key for Momo. This could have been the key for Bourdain. But it's not so easy to *~be that~*, to come to that, to **get there**. But then it doesn't matter, in the world, or separate from the world. Did you see any film of Hurricane Ian? In the eye of a hurricane is a still point, no wind, no storm. Sometimes above is a clear blue sky. |
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Post by sree on Oct 1, 2022 10:40:08 GMT -5
Bourdain was vulnerable; like a boat in the stormy sea of life. He was free to battle the elements. Momo was not vulnerable. Most of us are Momos, farmed animals, securely corralled and caged, for labor and slaughter. Momo wants to die.
There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t get a feeling that it’s great to be alive. It has nothing to do with being successful, being loved, or in the midst of having a good time. It is a sudden elation brought on by something nice. It could be the sight of the grey block paving beneath the green canopy of the red bud tree in my garden evoking the al fresco setting of an osteria in Rome. Memory? Can spiritual ecstasy be a thing of mind? Letting the Live get dragged into the Dead by your mind and it's thirst for nostalgia is a habit you won't be getting out of anytime soon. It was not nostalgia, I assure you. I love where I am right now: my charming house left to me by my grandfather. I could sell it tomorrow and move on. No attachments.
True, I have memories of great moments that come now and then. It must be my serendipitous way of life. I live like a feather in the wind. The video below show Civita, not far from Rome. I stayed in a rustic room on the top floor of a hotel next to the church in the village square. In the morning chill around 9 am or so, the tourists would come. The image that is stuck in my mind is the look on the face of the first person who saw me sitting at the table with a bottle of wine outside the cafe in the village square. I was sipping a glass of white Trebbiano d'Abruzzo.
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Post by laughter on Oct 1, 2022 19:53:07 GMT -5
One thing that was clear to me decades ago, even as a condescending agnostic leaf in the subconscious wind, is that rich people suffer too, and, given that they don't have the challenge of immediate survival in front of them, sometimes their own minds and emotions can turn on them. This wasn't by direct experience, as those immediate challenges have only ever receded for me in intervals and by matter of degree. Now, the point of relating this isn't about monetary wealth. You mention Anthony's good health and other attributes, and those are all signs of alignment, and can happen for guys who don't have lots of money. My point is a sort of analogy: alignment is a form of "wealth". By that analogy, aligned persons can suffer every bit as much as those out of alignment, because suffering can often be quite nonlinear in relation to pain. In terms of the "1-2-3 ontology" that lolz and I were discussing, this is mostly at step 2 for me, similar to my understanding of how rich people can suffer, from decades ago. All it takes is a little empathy for the distinction between step 2 and 3 to be a DWAD. ok, enough bloviating. No. I'd say they are signs of sensitivity. Much of the ugliness that you've written about on this forum since your appearance is grounded in clear perception, and none of the underlying social issues related to that ugliness have any static solutions. Your mind, and even your emotions applied to this will never do anything but spin, and while I've never been there, I can imagine that this could be a source of great pain.
What do you want to do about it?I can't do anything about it. I am stuck. I can't go back to a conventional life where you guys are at. The caterpillar stage is over. I don't feel like a butterfly floating free in a state of nothingness. I am a goddam pupa, a minder of the body.
Momo wants to die because minding the body is too hard, and there is nothing in it for Momo. Life in Japan is bleak. Life everywhere in the world is bleak. I can empathize with that feeling of despair even though my life is not bleak. My life is just empty of purpose. Isn't spirituality about the ending of desire?
, and I can explain more if you want. Feeling stuck and that there's nothing you can do are self limitations. Just your own mind, tricking you. |
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Post by sree on Oct 1, 2022 22:30:02 GMT -5
I can't do anything about it. I am stuck. I can't go back to a conventional life where you guys are at. The caterpillar stage is over. I don't feel like a butterfly floating free in a state of nothingness. I am a goddam pupa, a minder of the body.
Momo wants to die because minding the body is too hard, and there is nothing in it for Momo. Life in Japan is bleak. Life everywhere in the world is bleak. I can empathize with that feeling of despair even though my life is not bleak. My life is just empty of purpose. Isn't spirituality about the ending of desire?
~we~ are the problem, that is, the conditioned self. It sounds like you have taken care of the needs of the body, food, shelter and clothes, so the problem is *satisfying* the needs of the conditioned self, your psychology. One of the first things I posted to you, Wherever you go, there you are. So it doesn't matter, a part of society, or not, you carry around your own problems. We are like velcro, there is a mesh side, you, and a hooks side, the world. The conditioned self, the mesh, the lock, is seeking to find something exterior to fulfill it, the hooks side of the velcro, or a key. So nothing has to be given up externally. Loneliness arises from the mesh (without the world-hooks). One can be alone in a crowd and be lonely, one can be alone, apart from people, and can be lonely, or not lonely. The mesh can be altered so that the hooks-world does not attach to it. This is real freedom. Momo had somehow detached from the world, nothing in the world was worth her interest. I'd say that was a failure, she was still living through her conditioned self. The mesh was still there, but could find nothing to 'go after' to bring fulfillment or satisfaction. It seemed Bourdain still needed something exterior to fulfill himself. It seemed he had found the perfect lady, mesh and hooks. But she left, betrayed him in some way. It seems that sree is ~afraid~ of being disappointed in life, so is withdrawing from life. But the conditioned-mesh is still there, it seems, from your own admission. There is a ~place~, ~space~ within, where there is no mesh, nothing for the world to attach to. This is freedom. This would be the key for Momo. This could have been the key for Bourdain. But it's not so easy to *~be that~*, to come to that, to **get there**. But then it doesn't matter, in the world, or separate from the world. Did you see any film of Hurricane Ian? In the eye of a hurricane is a still point, no wind, no storm. Sometimes above is a clear blue sky. This thread is about Momo wanting to die. It's not about Bourdain or sree. It's about the phenomenon of suicide.
Momo's situation is a sad human condition. All of us are locked in to live out lives that have no meaning to us. On top of that are the stresses of relationship conflicts, lack of money, and health issues. Wanting to die is a sane response. In nature, things wither when resources to support life in inadequate or absent.
Bourdain's suicide was a misadventure. In my opinion, it is not worthy of attention. It was equivalent to a fatal crash at the Monza racing circuit. He was a New Yorker who lived in that fast and loose world all his life. He was a Tin Man. Argento couldn't have broken his heart.
What problems exist in sree? I am not afraid of being disappointed in life. I am disappointed with life. I have no delusions. I have no other purpose in life apart from minding the body. All the problems I face are out there in the world: crime and violence in the cities, war in Europe, etc. and I want no part of it. Your velcro analogy is unclear.
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Post by sree on Oct 1, 2022 22:35:17 GMT -5
I can't do anything about it. I am stuck. I can't go back to a conventional life where you guys are at. The caterpillar stage is over. I don't feel like a butterfly floating free in a state of nothingness. I am a goddam pupa, a minder of the body.
Momo wants to die because minding the body is too hard, and there is nothing in it for Momo. Life in Japan is bleak. Life everywhere in the world is bleak. I can empathize with that feeling of despair even though my life is not bleak. My life is just empty of purpose. Isn't spirituality about the ending of desire?
, and I can explain more if you want. Feeling stuck and that there's nothing you can do are self limitations. Just your own mind, tricking you. Please explain what spirituality is about? |
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Post by laughter on Oct 2, 2022 1:10:33 GMT -5
No, and I can explain more if you want. Feeling stuck and that there's nothing you can do are self limitations. Just your own mind, tricking you. Please explain what spirituality is about? Didn't offer that .. .. re-read what I did offer ... |
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Post by zazeniac on Oct 2, 2022 6:11:37 GMT -5
I can't do anything about it. I am stuck. I can't go back to a conventional life where you guys are at. The caterpillar stage is over. I don't feel like a butterfly floating free in a state of nothingness. I am a goddam pupa, a minder of the body.
Momo wants to die because minding the body is too hard, and there is nothing in it for Momo. Life in Japan is bleak. Life everywhere in the world is bleak. I can empathize with that feeling of despair even though my life is not bleak. My life is just empty of purpose. Isn't spirituality about the ending of desire?
Problems do not exist out there in the world, all problems exist within ourselves, ~we~ are the problem, that is, the conditioned self. It sounds like you have taken care of the needs of the body, food, shelter and clothes, so the problem is *satisfying* the needs of the conditioned self, your psychology. One of the first things I posted to you, Wherever you go, there you are. So it doesn't matter, a part of society, or not, you carry around your own problems. We are like velcro, there is a mesh side, you, and a hooks side, the world. The conditioned self, the mesh, the lock, is seeking to find something exterior to fulfill it, the hooks side of the velcro, or a key. So nothing has to be given up externally. Loneliness arises from the mesh (without the world-hooks). One can be alone in a crowd and be lonely, one can be alone, apart from people, and can be lonely, or not lonely. The mesh can be altered so that the hooks-world does not attach to it. This is real freedom. Momo had somehow detached from the world, nothing in the world was worth her interest. I'd say that was a failure, she was still living through her conditioned self. The mesh was still there, but could find nothing to 'go after' to bring fulfillment or satisfaction. It seemed Bourdain still needed something exterior to fulfill himself. It seemed he had found the perfect lady, mesh and hooks. But she left, betrayed him in some way. It seems that sree is ~afraid~ of being disappointed in life, so is withdrawing from life. But the conditioned-mesh is still there, it seems, from your own admission. There is a ~place~, ~space~ within, where there is no mesh, nothing for the world to attach to. This is freedom. This would be the key for Momo. This could have been the key for Bourdain. But it's not so easy to *~be that~*, to come to that, to **get there**. But then it doesn't matter, in the world, or separate from the world. Did you see any film of Hurricane Ian? In the eye of a hurricane is a still point, no wind, no storm. Sometimes above is a clear blue sky. Was just in that eye. Took my dogs for a walk. What you say about problems is true, mostly. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 2, 2022 8:41:44 GMT -5
Problems do not exist out there in the world, all problems exist within ourselves, ~we~ are the problem, that is, the conditioned self. It sounds like you have taken care of the needs of the body, food, shelter and clothes, so the problem is *satisfying* the needs of the conditioned self, your psychology. One of the first things I posted to you, Wherever you go, there you are. So it doesn't matter, a part of society, or not, you carry around your own problems. We are like velcro, there is a mesh side, you, and a hooks side, the world. The conditioned self, the mesh, the lock, is seeking to find something exterior to fulfill it, the hooks side of the velcro, or a key. So nothing has to be given up externally. Loneliness arises from the mesh (without the world-hooks). One can be alone in a crowd and be lonely, one can be alone, apart from people, and can be lonely, or not lonely. The mesh can be altered so that the hooks-world does not attach to it. This is real freedom. Momo had somehow detached from the world, nothing in the world was worth her interest. I'd say that was a failure, she was still living through her conditioned self. The mesh was still there, but could find nothing to 'go after' to bring fulfillment or satisfaction. It seemed Bourdain still needed something exterior to fulfill himself. It seemed he had found the perfect lady, mesh and hooks. But she left, betrayed him in some way. It seems that sree is ~afraid~ of being disappointed in life, so is withdrawing from life. But the conditioned-mesh is still there, it seems, from your own admission. There is a ~place~, ~space~ within, where there is no mesh, nothing for the world to attach to. This is freedom. This would be the key for Momo. This could have been the key for Bourdain. But it's not so easy to *~be that~*, to come to that, to **get there**. But then it doesn't matter, in the world, or separate from the world. Did you see any film of Hurricane Ian? In the eye of a hurricane is a still point, no wind, no storm. Sometimes above is a clear blue sky. This thread is about Momo wanting to die. It's not about Bourdain or sree. It's about the phenomenon of suicide. Momo's situation is a sad human condition. All of us are locked in to live out lives that have no meaning to us. On top of that are the stresses of relationship conflicts, lack of money, and health issues. Wanting to die is a sane response. In nature, things wither when resources to support life in inadequate or absent. Bourdain's suicide was a misadventure. In my opinion, it is not worthy of attention. It was equivalent to a fatal crash at the Monza racing circuit. He was a New Yorker who lived in that fast and loose world all his life. He was a Tin Man. Argento couldn't have broken his heart.
What problems exist in sree? I am not afraid of being disappointed in life. I am disappointed with life. I have no delusions. I have no other purpose in life apart from minding the body. All the problems I face are out there in the world: crime and violence in the cities, war in Europe, etc. and I want no part of it. Your velcro analogy is unclear.
It's absurd to say "all of us are locked in to live out lives that have no meaning to us". Don't you know it's absurd to say that? You are disappointed in life? You are not trying hard enough. Buried inside you is a compass. You have to find that compass. Wear a shovel out if you have to, then dig with your bare hands until they bleed. The velcro? Try this on for size. Every day you wake up put on a sree suit. Everything that enters ~you~ has to pass through that sree-suit. The sree-suit filters out everything that is not sree. That's how you can say: "All of us are locked in to live out lives that have no meaning to us". The sree-suit colors everything. You have given up. I picked up this book once, it was on sale at the Mars Hill College Bookstore. My sister went there. I should have gone there. I talked myself into going to UNCC, living at home and commuting, telling myself I couldn't give up playing hockey and going to Charlotte Checker games. But I had dropped by there years later. You are a Samuel Beckett. He could only-see from his own Samuel Beckett-suit. The name of the book was: I Can't Go On, I'll Go On. Samuel Beckett. Don't settle for, I can't go on, I'll go on. That's the Papagenos. I've been there. Keep digging. (Yes, I bought the book). You can run from second force (see next > post<), but you can't hide. If you make any active movement, take any initiative, second force will eventually show up. This is Gopal's rollercoaster. Second force is just a part of life, just a part of the manifest world, just part of the way the universe is structured. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ But sometimes it's enough to take the dogs for a walk in the eye of a hurricane. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 2, 2022 9:07:25 GMT -5
Problems do not exist out there in the world, all problems exist within ourselves, ~we~ are the problem, that is, the conditioned self. It sounds like you have taken care of the needs of the body, food, shelter and clothes, so the problem is *satisfying* the needs of the conditioned self, your psychology. One of the first things I posted to you, Wherever you go, there you are. So it doesn't matter, a part of society, or not, you carry around your own problems. We are like velcro, there is a mesh side, you, and a hooks side, the world. The conditioned self, the mesh, the lock, is seeking to find something exterior to fulfill it, the hooks side of the velcro, or a key. So nothing has to be given up externally. Loneliness arises from the mesh (without the world-hooks). One can be alone in a crowd and be lonely, one can be alone, apart from people, and can be lonely, or not lonely. The mesh can be altered so that the hooks-world does not attach to it. This is real freedom. Momo had somehow detached from the world, nothing in the world was worth her interest. I'd say that was a failure, she was still living through her conditioned self. The mesh was still there, but could find nothing to 'go after' to bring fulfillment or satisfaction. It seemed Bourdain still needed something exterior to fulfill himself. It seemed he had found the perfect lady, mesh and hooks. But she left, betrayed him in some way. It seems that sree is ~afraid~ of being disappointed in life, so is withdrawing from life. But the conditioned-mesh is still there, it seems, from your own admission. There is a ~place~, ~space~ within, where there is no mesh, nothing for the world to attach to. This is freedom. This would be the key for Momo. This could have been the key for Bourdain. But it's not so easy to *~be that~*, to come to that, to **get there**. But then it doesn't matter, in the world, or separate from the world. Did you see any film of Hurricane Ian? In the eye of a hurricane is a still point, no wind, no storm. Sometimes above is a clear blue sky. Was just in that eye. Took my dogs for a walk. What you say about problems is true, mostly. , of course. When the problem of self is solved, yes, there are other problems. I see all of life in forces, 3 forces. So when the problem of self is solved, the forces still exist. They have different names, the 3 gunas of the Upanishads is one name. Rajas is first force, active force, positive, in the sense of polarity, initiative, yang. Tamas is second force, the force of opposition or negation, resistance, passive, yin. Sattva is neutralizing force, third force, which breaks the balance between yin and yang, second force and first force. You can't see third force like you can see first force and second force. If you look, you can see that first force always brings second force, always. These are what we call, problems. It's just life. But the three, derive from One, of course. One, unmanifest. Three, manifest. But they exist simultaneously. |
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Post by sree on Oct 2, 2022 10:29:03 GMT -5
Please explain what spirituality is about? Didn't offer that .. .. re-read what I did offer ... Sree asks: “Isn't spirituality about the ending of desire?” Laffy replied: “No, and I can explain more if you want.” (The offer.)Sree: “Please explain what spirituality is about?” Laffy: “Didn't offer that .. .. re-read what I did offer ...”
I have re-read the above three times or more. Just what did you offer? |
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