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Post by karen on Feb 13, 2010 12:59:34 GMT -5
I've communicated with animals of all shapes and sizes - by walking away slowly.
Or how about when you look out the window, and your animal friend looks out it too to see what you see.
I've always found that amazing.
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Post by alpha on Feb 13, 2010 15:33:11 GMT -5
I've communicated with animals of all shapes and sizes - by walking away slowly. Or how about when you look out the window, and your animal friend looks out it too to see what you see. I've always found that amazing. One way to punish a dog is to stare at him/her... |
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Post by Portto on Feb 14, 2010 11:25:09 GMT -5
Everyday life is pretty ordinary; it is not special. What is ordinary and what is special for you, Zendancer? |
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Post by zendancer on Feb 14, 2010 12:30:12 GMT -5
Porto: Take a moment and look around. Is what you see special or ordinary?
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Post by Portto on Feb 14, 2010 12:49:36 GMT -5
What's around me is neither special nor ordinary.
When I want to play, the label of special or ordinary is applied.
Sometimes I see all things as special, other times the same things are ordinary.
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Post by karen on Feb 14, 2010 13:20:43 GMT -5
All my life, when pondering ordinary things, I'd get filled with wonder and awe that they are there at all! AMAZING!
But only when I pondered this stuff. And when I pondered it and was amazed, I could still feel the restless pull to - watch TV, check my email for the 12th time that hour, etc.. I'd wonder why I could be amazed and not amazed at the same time.
Perhaps the conditioning hadn't yet caught up. Perhaps the body hasn't realized the WOW factor?
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Post by zendancer on Feb 14, 2010 13:59:21 GMT -5
Porto: That's right. What we see with our eyes is beyond all ideas. When we use words as tools for teaching, we are using them as pointers. If someone seems attached to the idea of specialness, we point to the ordinary, and if someone seems attached to the idea of ordinaryness we point to specialness. We are simply saying, in essence, "Let go of all ideas and come play with me." There are two playgrounds, but one of them is imaginary.
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Post by Portto on Feb 14, 2010 14:07:50 GMT -5
Nice one, Zendancer!
So, you do like using tricks!
Thanks again for taking the time to post here!
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Post by klaus on Feb 14, 2010 19:00:12 GMT -5
lightmystic,
Are you including domesticated and non-domesticated animals?
While I agree with your observation if it were about domesticated animals, which are influenced on all levels by interacting with humans; I don't see it with non-domesticated animals who have never interacted with humans.
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 15, 2010 14:41:00 GMT -5
Would it be fair to say that you've started having a drastic redefinition of what ordinary means since Awakening ZD? For me, at least, what I thought "normal" meant back then was way different than what I realize "normal" to be now.... Porto: Take a moment and look around. Is what you see special or ordinary? |
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 15, 2010 14:51:55 GMT -5
Hey klaus, I definitely see that in non-domesticated animals as well. But I do find that, as they are not used to interacting with people, there is often too much fear there to have a real conversation. Also, there is often a lack of understanding of humans, because they are not used to interacting with them. One time I actually was talking to a squirrel (not verbally, as that is not how animals communicate), and it immediately stood up on it's legs, looking around frantically, saying "who said that?!" When I made the squirrel aware that it was me who was speaking ("I'm over here! To your left, more to your left. There! See that being? That's me...Hi..."). It stopped and stared at me in what was perhaps a combination of disbelief, horror, and fascination (I'm over dramatizing it, as their thinking process isn't that complex, but it was a simpler level of that nonetheless) and the squirrel essentially said "you can talk?! Can other humans talk?" And I explained how most of them didn't know how to communicate with animals etc.. Another time I was trying to talk to a rabbit, and he informed me that he was too scared to talk to me. When I assured him that I would not hurt him and it was safe. He assured me that he did not believe me. While, another time I talked to a squirrel that was so fascinated in hearing about me, having never communicated with a human before that he wanted to know all about my life, and in more detail than I really wanted to take the time to get into. I talked to a fox once, who informed me that she had no interest whatsoever in talking to me, especially because I was foreign and she didn't know me. And this was expressed with the tone that made it clear that she had no interest in getting to know me at all. Fair enough....so every critter is different in different ways...and these examples just give a very basic idea of the range of interest and understanding in the un-domesticated world. There is definitely a different response for wild creatures in general, that have little to no understanding of humans, versus domesticated ones. And I think that is a good observation. But knowing how to communicate with them at least gives them the option of talking back, although, as you can see from the examples, many are not really interested.... So it's just a totally different mind frame, rather than a totally different capacity (although, obviously the level of complexity of conversation I can have with a fish or a bug is very different than with, say a fox). lightmystic, Are you including domesticated and non-domesticated animals? While I agree with your observation if it were about domesticated animals, which are influenced on all levels by interacting with humans; I don't see it with non-domesticated animals who have never interacted with humans. |
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Post by zendancer on Feb 15, 2010 19:26:23 GMT -5
Would it be fair to say that you've started having a drastic redefinition of what ordinary means since Awakening ZD? For me, at least, what I thought "normal" meant back then was way different than what I realize "normal" to be now.... Porto: Take a moment and look around. Is what you see special or ordinary? LM: I feel like I need to wait awhile before answering your question. Something strange is unfolding, but it doesn't want to be thought about. It only wants to be watched. This body/mind's search for answers came to an end ten years ago, and afterwards there was an internal relaxation. Life then felt very ordinary. It felt that way for ten years. Now, something unknown is appearing, and I don't know what it is. I feel like an astronaut moving in the other direction. LOL. |
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Post by vacant on Feb 15, 2010 22:00:01 GMT -5
This is very good to hear ZD. Best wishes for it.
too di doo di
too di doo di
too di doo di
(on the theme of the twilight zone)
But please do share, in your own time.
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Post by question on Feb 15, 2010 22:30:07 GMT -5
Hey klaus, I definitely see that in non-domesticated animals as well. But I do find that, as they are not used to interacting with people, there is often too much fear there to have a real conversation. Also, there is often a lack of understanding of humans, because they are not used to interacting with them. One time I actually was talking to a squirrel (not verbally, as that is not how animals communicate), and it immediately stood up on it's legs, looking around frantically, saying "who said that?!" When I made the squirrel aware that it was me who was speaking ("I'm over here! To your left, more to your left. There! See that being? That's me...Hi..."). It stopped and stared at me in what was perhaps a combination of disbelief, horror, and fascination (I'm over dramatizing it, as their thinking process isn't that complex, but it was a simpler level of that nonetheless) and the squirrel essentially said "you can talk?! Can other humans talk?" And I explained how most of them didn't know how to communicate with animals etc.. Another time I was trying to talk to a rabbit, and he informed me that he was too scared to talk to me. When I assured him that I would not hurt him and it was safe. He assured me that he did not believe me. While, another time I talked to a squirrel that was so fascinated in hearing about me, having never communicated with a human before that he wanted to know all about my life, and in more detail than I really wanted to take the time to get into. I talked to a fox once, who informed me that she had no interest whatsoever in talking to me, especially because I was foreign and she didn't know me. And this was expressed with the tone that made it clear that she had no interest in getting to know me at all. Fair enough....so every critter is different in different ways...and these examples just give a very basic idea of the range of interest and understanding in the un-domesticated world. There is definitely a different response for wild creatures in general, that have little to no understanding of humans, versus domesticated ones. And I think that is a good observation. But knowing how to communicate with them at least gives them the option of talking back, although, as you can see from the examples, many are not really interested.... So it's just a totally different mind frame, rather than a totally different capacity (although, obviously the level of complexity of conversation I can have with a fish or a bug is very different than with, say a fox). lightmystic, Are you including domesticated and non-domesticated animals? While I agree with your observation if it were about domesticated animals, which are influenced on all levels by interacting with humans; I don't see it with non-domesticated animals who have never interacted with humans. Wow that's so shocking, I think you made my mind stop. I don't know, maybe you're trying to pull my chains lol, but I know I loved reading it! |
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Post by klaus on Feb 15, 2010 23:15:28 GMT -5
lightmystic,
Based on your experiences with non-domesticated animals they either chose to communicate with you or not. Why do you think some do and others don't?
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