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Post by andrew on Apr 12, 2021 6:36:38 GMT -5
Was having a browse of Neale Donald Walsh's ''Conversations with God Book 4'' yesterday (written in 2016). Read the first 3 books about 15-20 years ago, and thought they were great. Thought I'd post an except from an early chapter. May post more. But also maybe not.
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Neale - I know it may not seem like it from our actions, but humans really do want to survive. That’s why we’re crying for help. Most humans say that “survival” is the basic instinct.
God - Actually, survival is not your basic instinct. If you all followed your basic instinct, the survival of your species would not be in question. It would be guaranteed.
Neale -I know.
God - The basic instinct of humanity is the expression of every human’s True Identity—which is Divinity. In human terms, this translates to Pure Love. Love that knows no condition and expresses itself at any cost. That is the fundamental impulse, which is why humans run into a burning building, rather than away from it, if they hear a baby crying. At the highest level, at the instant when the most urgent decision must be made, most people don’t stand there weighing the odds of their survival while the baby is crying. They do what it is in their True Nature to do. In moments such as this you understand that there is no way you can cease to exist. The spirit of you, the essence of Who You Are, will live forever and ever—and at the deepest place within, you are clear about this. Survival, therefore, ceases to be the issue. It is not a question of whether you will live, but how you will live —whether it’s for another twenty years or another twenty minutes. Now it’s true that you may have a strong desire to continue living in your present physical form for more than twenty more minutes, but your basic instinct to express Divinity by becoming the personification of unconditional love outweighs and overrides this desire. Sadly, not every member of your species experiences this level of clarity during life’s ordinary moments. The number who do, in fact, is very low. It is easy to get lost in the labyrinth of life. It’s only at the most critical times, when “the chips are down,” that most humans act as if they are “out of their mind”—because they are, quite literally. They are following, instead, the impulse of their soul. If humans followed the impulse of their soul in every moment, they would create Heaven on Earth overnight. They could do this by simply seeing every minute of every day as a Burning Building Moment. A moment when we do, in fact, easily and instantly access the better angels of our nature.
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Post by andrew on Apr 12, 2021 6:48:23 GMT -5
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God - Divinity comes in many shapes. The form that you take is one of them. So if you want to experience that God is helping you, look to yourselves and your own highest wisdom— but then don’t hesitate to look as well to all of the Manifestations of Divinity available to assist you. Don’t look right past, or right through, those who may be opening the door in response to your knock.
Neale -You really are talking about beings from off this planet, aren’t you?
God - I am.
Neale - I'm sure that many humans may think that our help will come from the heavens, but not from other life forms in the heavens!
God - It would be short-sighted to ignore or deny that possibility.
Neale - So let me get this straight, because I don’t want there to be any confusion here. You’re saying that other life forms in the universe are choosing to help us?
God - Some, yes. Not all other life forms, but some. Not all other life forms are benevolent.
Neale - Well, that’s a bit scary.
God - Why? Even humans are not all benevolent. Many of you are not even helping yourselves. And you’re actually hurting each other.
Neale - Yes, but we’re a very young species. And we’ve agreed that many humans are acting like children. You’ve said that many of the other species of sentient beings in the universe are far more advanced than we are.
God - That does not mean that they would in every case be helpful to you. Some of them are violent.
Neale - Advanced life forms from elsewhere in the universe are violent?
God - Some of them, yes.
Neale - If they are so “advanced, ” how can they still be violent?
God - There’s a difference between being highly advanced and being highly evolved.
Neale - If people from 2,000 years ago could leap frog time and appear on your planet right now, do you think they would say that today’s inhabitants of Earth are “advanced”?
God - I imagine that they would, yes.
Neale - And yet, are today’s inhabitants of the Earth not violent?
God - Yes. Sadly, yes, we are.
Neale - So technological advancement does not necessarily mean advancement morally, ethically, consciously, or spiritually—is that what you’re saying?
God - Point made. Do not assume, then, that all other life forms in the universe have chosen to be of help as you seek to awaken humanity. Advanced civilizations do not automatically equate to highly evolved civilizations.
Neale - Would we even be able to know the difference? For that matter, are we even able to know that there are Highly Evolved Beings choosing to help us? I mean, you’re saying that here, but is it possible for those of us on Earth to know this in our experience without freaking out? And even more important, how are these Highly Evolved Beings helping us? By hovering around us— literally or metaphorically—and watching over us to make sure we don’t hurt ourselves too badly? By actually visiting us, and working with us in a physical way right here on Earth? By planting ideas in our heads from afar?
God - Good. Keep going. These are not unimportant questions.
Neale - And the answers?
God - The answer to all of the above is yes.
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Post by andrew on Apr 12, 2021 7:13:53 GMT -5
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God - A difference between your species and theirs is that they are moving back and forth between physical and metaphysical states at will, whereas most of you imagine that you are doing so in a way that has nothing to do with your will. That’s why I’ve allowed you to get into all of this here. Changing this thought that you are moving between the physical and the metaphysical against your will is going to be a big part of your personal transformation. You now describe your movement from the physical to the metaphysical with the term “death,” and you have it in your mind that this is the worst thing that could ever happen to you. Yet this event is merely one step in your ongoing evolutionary process.
Neale - We actually fear the process by which we continue to evolve. We profoundly fear disembodiment—what we call “death”—and thus seek to avoid it at all cost.
God - Literally, at all cost—including the abandoning of your consciousness, of what you “know to be so,” and of your deepest inner awareness. In this you fail to recognize that you are already awake. You abandon your Self in order to “save” yourself. This is the irony of the behavior of every very young sentient species. It is the supreme irony of your present human experience.
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Neale - If I am understanding all of this correctly, these HEBs you are talking about are moving between the physical and metaphysical states instantly. They embody and disembody on the spot, when and as they wish. We humans, on the other hand, seem to be required to go through a period of time in the physical—for some it may be very short, maybe even just a moment, while for others it may be many years—but time passes. What’s more, on every occasion when humans move from the metaphysical back into the physical, they have to “start life over.” We have to embody as babies, and learn the basics of being in a body all over again. I don’t hear you saying that this is required of Highly Evolved Beings from Another Dimension. You’re saying they can change from one form of expression to another spontaneously, and move from the “nonphysical” to the “physical” as fully developed beings, not as beings at the beginning of a physical life cycle. Do I have all of this right? If so, that would be a major plus, for sure. We’re at a huge disadvantage here, having to “start over” every time we want to “physicalize, ” and having to confront all of the difficulties and overcome all of the challenges of years of day-to-day life.
God - Actually, you’re under no disadvantage at all. You’re doing exactly what you want to do. It would be beneficial for you to understand that you are physicalizing for a different reason than HEBs. You are physicalizing because you want the experience of growing from embryo to infancy to childhood to adolescence to adulthood to old age. And you want it more than once. You’ve come back into the Realm of the Physical over and over again in order to embrace the fullness of this experience, because you seek to understand all of it, thoroughly and completely, thus to both create and experience who you are from every angle, through every lens, in every circumstance and situation. As you move through this process of self-creation, you have been all of it in your lifetimes. The victim and the villain, the strong and the weak, the oppressed and the oppressor, the so called “right” and the so-called “wrong,” the so-called “good” one and the so-called “evil” one.
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Post by andrew on Apr 13, 2021 13:58:41 GMT -5
God - The most striking and significant difference is that Highly Evolved Beings are utterly and completely, absolutely and entirely without violence of any kind.They do not engage in physical violence, they do not project verbal violence, they do not even momentarily entertain violencein their thoughts. They do not call violence “self-defence,” they do not call it “entertainment,” and they certainly do not call it “sport.” They simply cannot justify or support the inflicting of physical or emotional pain—not even the slightest discomfort—on any other entity.
N -Is there a formula by which they have been able to achieve this? What do they know that we don’t know that opens the way for them to be like that?
God -All violence has disappeared from their culture because all anger has disappeared from their reality.
N -And that is because . . . ?
God - It is because they live in the knowing that they have nothing tolose by being good and kind and caring and compassionate and unselfish and giving and accepting and unconditionally loving in every instant of every moment of every circumstance or situation. They know that they cannot lose their life for any reason or in any way, nor can they lose anything else of value to them, because nothing else is of value to them other than life itself, their very existence—which they understand is what provides them with the opportunity for the only experience they desire.
N - Which is?
God - The experience of their Divinity.
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Post by andrew on Apr 13, 2021 14:03:19 GMT -5
N - When you do not fear losing your life, ever, you have no reason to ever become violent? What about losing something, or not being able to get something, you desire?
God - You have already been told, by masters on your planet, that desire that you feel must be satiated is the cause of all suffering.And suffering is the cause of all violence. Eliminate suffering and violence goes away, evaporates, dissolves, disappears.
N -If you’re fully awakened, if you’re a Highly Evolved Being, you escape all desires?
God - You escape the incapacitation of desires. You escape the ruination of being ruled by your desires. When you know that your life will never end, you know that anything you wish to experience you have an eternity to create—or to recreate if you’ve had it once and wish to experience it again. There’s a saying in the cosmos: Eternal Life brings Eternal Peace. If, on the other hand, you imagine that you have a limited time in which to experience what you desire to experience, you will give up your peace to acquire it, or to hold onto it if and when you do acquire it.
N - That’s the story of humanity in fifty words or less, for sure. So life for HEBs from Another Dimension is felt asan eternal reality.
God - It is an eternal reality. Life is an eternal experience for all sentient beings, but few sentient beings who think of themselves and express themselves primarily as a physical body experience their eternality as a felt reality. They experience their physicality as their felt reality, and they imagine that when their physicality is over, their existence has come to an end. At best, they hold the idea of eternal life as a concept, a theory, a doctrine or belief; as something that “might be,” but about which they are not sure. Because the fully awakened entities I have been talking about exist and have their being in Another Dimension, they are certain that life is eternal.
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Post by andrew on Apr 13, 2021 14:07:24 GMT -5
God - They not only know that life is eternal, they know that there is no separation in the universe—of anything from anything. This awareness is a pillar of their way of life; it is the foundation of their civilization.
N - For us, then, this is the first step that will be taken when we become an awakened species. And we haven’t even taken that first step, after all these years—all these millennia—on our planet.
God - It is the most important step you could take right now. Do not discourage yourself with what you haven’t done, encourage yourself with what you will do.
N - I sure hope that we do, because I can see that embracing this idea as a functional reality would be the beginning of the end of how things are on our planet right now. It would be the start of a new creation, of a new tomorrow. It would become the New Cultural Story of Humanity. I want to run out and tell everybody: Oneness is not a characteristic of life. Life is a characteristic of Oneness.
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Post by andrew on Apr 13, 2021 14:10:49 GMT -5
God -
1. An awakened species sees the Unity of All Life and lives into it. Humans in an unawakened state often deny it or ignore it.
2. An awakened species tells the truth, always. Humans in an unawakened state too often lie, to themselves as well as others.
3. An awakened species says one thing and will do what they say. Humans in an unawakened state often say one thing and do another.
4. An awakened species, having seen and acknowledged what is so, will always do what works. Humans in an unawakened state often do the opposite.
5. An awakened species does not embrace a principle in its civilization that correlates with the concepts that humans refer to as “justice” and “punishment.”
6. An awakened species does not embrace a principle in its civilization that correlates with the concept that humans refer to as “insufficiency.”
7. An awakened species does not embrace a principle in its civilization that correlates with the concept that humans refer to as “ownership.”
8. An awakened species shares everything with everyone all the time. Humans in an unawakened state often do not, only sharing with others in limited circumstances.
9. An awakened species creates a balance between technology and cosmology; between machines and nature. Humans in an unawakened state often do not.
10. An awakened species would never under any circumstances terminate the current physical expression of another sentient being unless asked directly by that other being to do so. Humans in an unawakened state often kill other humans without that other human requesting them to.
11. An awakened species would never do anything that could potentially damage or harm the physical environment that supports the members of the species when they are physicalized. Humans in an unawakened state often do so.
12. An awakened species never poisons itself. Humans in an unawakened state often do so.
13. An awakened species never competes. Humans in an unawakened state are often in competition with each other.
14. An awakened species is clear that it needs nothing. Humans in an unawakened state often create a need-based experience.
15. An awakened species experiences and expresses unconditional love for everyone. Humans in an unawakened state often cannot imagine even a Deity who does this, much less do they do it themselves.
16. An awakened species has harnessed the power of metaphysics. Humans in an unawakened state often largely ignore it.
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Post by inavalan on Apr 13, 2021 15:12:31 GMT -5
I'm curious if Buddha and / or any affiliated sages said something on the same lines as it transpires from these quotes (?).
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Post by andrew on Apr 13, 2021 17:39:45 GMT -5
God - Every cell of your body acts with intelligence. You can’t so much as cut your little finger without creating a cellular rush to the site of the injury to repair the damage. You think the cells of your body don’t know what they are doing—and why? And I tell you, every element of the universe is imbued with this foundational intelligence.
N - Oh, my God.
God - Precisely.
N - Can they talk to each other? Okay, “talk” is a funny word to use here. I am actually asking, can the cells of the body communicate element-to-element?
God - Of course they can. What do you think “thought” is?
N - “Thoughts” are cells communicating with one another?
God - That is exactly what they are. Do you know how brain cells work?
N - Yes, but when you talk about the brain you’re talking about neurons and peptides and somas and dendrites and all that stuff. The cells throughout our body are not like the cells of the brain.
God - They aren’t? Who told you that? Let me repeat: every ounce of life is imbued with foundational intelligence. Read that: every cell, every particle, every submolecular element, in the universe.
N - Then there must be a way that I can get the cells of my body to do whatever I communicate that I want them to do! Like heal me from an illness, for instance.
God - You are right if you are suggesting that the energy of your thoughts has an influence over the cells of your body.
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N - My heavens, can it then be possible to get most of the cells of the body to choose the same thing most of the time?
God - Ah! This is the same question you are asking yourselves right now regarding the rest of the people on the planet.
N - It is! It is this same question exactly.
God - And the answer is, it is possible, through alignment. The choice to act co-jointly, in unison and in harmony with each other, is made by elements of life when there is alignment on purpose within the sector or area where those elements exist. The cells of your body will act in unison and in harmony with each other when there is alignment with the soul on the direction each moment in your life will take, from a cellular level, based on the soul’s agenda in that femtosecond.
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Post by andrew on Apr 13, 2021 17:46:12 GMT -5
God - Now the Elements of the Essential Essence are attracted to each other by an aspect or characteristic that you would call, in human terms, “common function.” That is, they are all trying to do something. And it is the same thing. They are all in action, forever moving, continuously vibrating —but not without purpose. Their purpose is simply to BE. They realize that life is movement. If movement ever stops, that which you call life would not exist. Life = Motion = Life.
N - Yes.
God - Now, as to what each element wants to be, that doesn’t matter. The individual element does not have a preference in the matter. It simply wants to exist. Its desire is to “be.” What is called “alignment,” then—and the subsequent joint or unified action to which you refer—is created by the vibrational influence of any force larger than an individual element. It is this way throughout all of nature. The larger the force, the more “pull” it has on every smaller element within its Impact Area. So every element within any Impact Area will fall into alignment with the larger force that is pulling on it.
N - No one has ever said this to me in this way. Why can’t this be explained in this simple way to every child?
God - It can. And in the civilizations of Highly Evolved Beings it is. This awareness is shared with every emerging entity, each of whom is told about the Oneness of Life and the Circle of Life. So if you as creative beings wish all the elements of life, down into the tiniest particle, to move in a particular direction, you must create alignment using the force of combined energy focused in a particular way. And thought is that force.
N - Then what creates that focus? How do we cause energy—that is, thought—to be focused in a particular way?
God - Desire. Desire exists in the soul. It is the soul, defined in one word. The soul is the local expression of God’s desire—which is to experience Itself. Desire is the creator of intention. Intention is the creator of thought. Thought is the creator of action. Action is the creator of outcome. Not all thought, however, is created by the intention arising out of the soul’s desire. Thought can also, in a sense, have a “mind of its own.” That is, the energy impulse that produces a thought can arise out of the body’s desires. This produces a different kind of action, which can generate a totally different outcome than the soul had in mind.
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Post by andrew on Apr 13, 2021 17:49:54 GMT -5
God - An awakened species is incapable of lying, given its combined intention. Its members have learned that self-deceit and deceit of others is utterly non-productive, moving them away from, rather than toward, their jointly held desires and intentions. It would be virtually impossible for a Highly Evolved Being to communicate an untruth in any event, because its individual vibration would alter in such a way as to make it apparent that what the entity was communicating was not in sync with what it knows and understands.
N - Like when we blush—some of us, anyway—if we try to lie.
God - Very much like that, yes, only at a higher level. The whole entity itself would shake and vibrate at such a variant speed that the truth would literally be shaken out of it. So there would be no point in trying to lie to begin with. Notice that when humans do hold jointly held desires and intentions, they do not lie to each other. Lying is an announcement that you want something other than the person you are lying to.
N -This may seem obvious to you, but what may not be so obvious is how to eliminate this.
God - The end of deceit will come with the end of separation. When your culture and your civilization decides that there really is only one of you, in a multiplicity of forms, and therefore only one desire, there will thereafter be only one intention.
N - And that desire will be?
God - To reach completion in the expression in every moment of what every living entity desires.
N - Which is?
God - Once again, as mentioned before: The experience of itself as the only thing it really is. Divinity. Or, to use the word in your language that was mentioned before: Love. The energy that you call “love.” The unity of the universe is God’s expression of Divine Love for all of life in all of its forms.
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Post by inavalan on Apr 13, 2021 23:37:58 GMT -5
I'm curious if Buddha and / or any affiliated sages said something on the same lines as it transpires from these quotes (?). This isn't a direct answer to my question, but I believe to be loosely related, and from the get going: I strongly disagree with the current Dalai Lama's quote (firstly, marxism isn't an economic system, but an ideology). Definitely the Dalai Lama doesn't have an understanding of the reality. Disappointing in him. Definitely, he's "attached" to the physical world.
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Post by andrew on Apr 14, 2021 3:45:54 GMT -5
I'm curious if Buddha and / or any affiliated sages said something on the same lines as it transpires from these quotes (?). This isn't a direct answer to my question, but I believe to be loosely related, and from the get going: I strongly disagree with the current Dalai Lama's quote (firstly, marxism isn't an economic system, but an ideology). Definitely the Dalai Lama doesn't have an understanding of the reality. Disappointing in him. Definitely, he's "attached" to the physical world. I studied Marxism in some depth at college, my opinion of it then and now, us that taken as an analysis and critique of capitalism it is accurate. But communism...the system that trailed from the wake of Marxism....is very very bad lol. I think some of what NDW/God says here could be taken as 'Marxism' by someone that doesn't have spiritual grounding, but it's definitely not Marxism, and it[s also definitely not advocating communism.
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Post by inavalan on Apr 14, 2021 13:57:22 GMT -5
This isn't a direct answer to my question, but I believe to be loosely related, and from the get going: I strongly disagree with the current Dalai Lama's quote (firstly, marxism isn't an economic system, but an ideology). Definitely the Dalai Lama doesn't have an understanding of the reality. Disappointing in him. Definitely, he's "attached" to the physical world. I studied Marxism in some depth at college, my opinion of it then and now, us that taken as an analysis and critique of capitalism it is accurate. But communism...the system that trailed from the wake of Marxism....is very very bad lol. I think some of what NDW/God says here could be taken as 'Marxism' by someone that doesn't have spiritual grounding, but it's definitely not Marxism, and it[s also definitely not advocating communism. I wonder if it is advocating an Utopia. I wonder if it is conceivable to achieve such a thing in the bigger scheme of things. Why are we here? What is this world for? If it is a school we join to learn something, then pupils learn and graduate, while other new "ignorant" pupils join, year after year. By definition, a school is composed mostly of ignorant pupils. That's why they're in school. The school's purpose is (should be ...) to educate pupils, not to be fun. Unfortunately most of us have no clue about why we are here, what we are supposed to do.
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Post by andrew on Apr 14, 2021 15:02:52 GMT -5
I studied Marxism in some depth at college, my opinion of it then and now, us that taken as an analysis and critique of capitalism it is accurate. But communism...the system that trailed from the wake of Marxism....is very very bad lol. I think some of what NDW/God says here could be taken as 'Marxism' by someone that doesn't have spiritual grounding, but it's definitely not Marxism, and it[s also definitely not advocating communism. I wonder if it is advocating an Utopia. I wonder if it is conceivable to achieve such a thing in the bigger scheme of things. Why are we here? What is this world for? If it is a school we join to learn something, then pupils learn and graduate, while other new "ignorant" pupils join, year after year. By definition, a school is composed mostly of ignorant pupils. That's why they're in school. The school's purpose is (should be ...) to educate pupils, not to be fun. Unfortunately most of us have no clue about why we are here, what we are supposed to do. My impression, based on all 4 books, is that we are at a critical point of evolution, which could be very positive...even 'utopian' (at least it seems utopian through our eyes, from the eyes of those IN utopia, it is normal). To be more precise, we are now creating a point of evolution, we have a powerful desire to evolve, and 'God' is responding to that prayer...that desire...with guidance and wisdom. So it's not really that God is 'advocating' for a utopia, it's more that God is responding to a request. And yes, this earth...this dimension...has been about achieving mastery, about going from 'unawareness' to 'awareness'. One of the paragraphs above addresses this specifically. The third book in the series goes into more depth than the fourth book I'm reading as to what a highly evolved society looks like. This fourth book hasn't actually said anything particularly new yet, in my opinion, but it's been 15 years since the last one, so I guess Neale (and his readers) could do with a refresher, with a slightly new spin. I'm probably only half way through the book though, so things might take a new turn.
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