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Post by Jenna on May 13, 2020 11:13:38 GMT -5
Hi,
I once knew nothing about chocolate and had no problem with that. Life was work, eat food, play video games, go to sleep, etc etc.
And then one day by-chance, I stumbled upon a web page that described chocolate. Life has not been the same since.
Intrigued, I went ahead and made the biggest mistake of my life - I began reading extensively 'about' chocolate.
Obviously, nothing 'about' chocolate was the actual chocolate. I would then go read more. Lose lose.
10 years on, I think I need immediate help. Forget the real chocolate, I now want to rid myself of this imaginary chocolate that has now become rock solid.
Please.
Jenna
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Post by zendancer on May 13, 2020 12:26:41 GMT -5
Hi, I once knew nothing about chocolate and had no problem with that. Life was work, eat food, play video games, go to sleep, etc etc. And then one day by-chance, I stumbled upon a web page that described chocolate. Life has not been the same since. Intrigued, I went ahead and made the biggest mistake of my life - I began reading extensively 'about' chocolate. Obviously, nothing 'about' chocolate was the actual chocolate. I would then go read more. Lose lose. 10 years on, I think I need immediate help. Forget the real chocolate, I now want to rid myself of this imaginary chocolate that has now become rock solid. Please. Jenna Easy. Shift attention away from any thought of chocolate to what you can see, hear, feel, smell, or taste whenever a thought of chocolate appears. The imaginary chocolate thought structure or chocolate neural pathway will eventually collapse. If this isn't believed, try it and find out what happens. There's a money back guarantee if it doesn't work as described.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 13, 2020 22:53:14 GMT -5
Hi, I once knew nothing about chocolate and had no problem with that. Life was work, eat food, play video games, go to sleep, etc etc. And then one day by-chance, I stumbled upon a web page that described chocolate. Life has not been the same since. Intrigued, I went ahead and made the biggest mistake of my life - I began reading extensively 'about' chocolate. Obviously, nothing 'about' chocolate was the actual chocolate. I would then go read more. Lose lose. 10 years on, I think I need immediate help. Forget the real chocolate, I now want to rid myself of this imaginary chocolate that has now become rock solid. Please. Jenna zd gives some good advice. But I read a book once, about 40 years ago, The Book of Paradox by Louise Cooper. A novice comes to a Master for teaching. The Master gave him I think it was 12 trials. They were (in the form of) a circle, IOW, the beginning was the end. When the novice finished the 12th trial, he was the Master that had given him the 12 trials. That book never left me (but that's about all I remember from it). Don't give up. Never give up. You have heard, It's darkest before the dawn. You are what you are seeking. But you have to become that. The seeking has become a burden because you know somewhere inside that any- thing sought is but a trinket. You are realizing that words are never the thing. Words are empty. But words have value, You just can't get there from here. Never. A butterfly is a beautiful symbol. In the caterpillar is the butterfly. But there is a process of transformation. Jenna that began the seeking is the caterpillar. There is a chrysalis/cocoon stage. And then the butterfly emerges. The caterpillar is and ATST is not the butterfly. Give up but don't give up. |
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Post by Jenna on May 14, 2020 2:22:58 GMT -5
Hi, I once knew nothing about chocolate and had no problem with that. Life was work, eat food, play video games, go to sleep, etc etc. And then one day by-chance, I stumbled upon a web page that described chocolate. Life has not been the same since. Intrigued, I went ahead and made the biggest mistake of my life - I began reading extensively 'about' chocolate. Obviously, nothing 'about' chocolate was the actual chocolate. I would then go read more. Lose lose. 10 years on, I think I need immediate help. Forget the real chocolate, I now want to rid myself of this imaginary chocolate that has now become rock solid. Please. Jenna Easy. Shift attention away from any thought of chocolate to what you can see, hear, feel, smell, or taste whenever a thought of chocolate appears. The imaginary chocolate thought structure or chocolate neural pathway will eventually collapse. If this isn't believed, try it and find out what happens. There's a money back guarantee if it doesn't work as described. Extremely logical. If I come up with any ifs and buts with that advice, I am in effect, just giving excuses. It may take even longer than 10 years but I will give this a shot. TBH I have been on similar diets off and on, albeit never wholeheartedly. I even began losing weight but the cravings got the better of me last time. I will try my best to give it 100% this time, promise. |
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Post by Peter on May 14, 2020 2:31:57 GMT -5
Extremely logical. If I come up with any ifs and buts with that advice, I am in effect, just giving excuses. It may take even longer than 10 years but I will give this a shot. TBH I have been on similar diets off and on, albeit never wholeheartedly. I even began losing weight but the cravings got the better of me last time. I will try my best to give it 100% this time, promise. Oh are we actually talking about chocolate? I thought you were being allegorical. I've been losing weight at about 100g per day during lockdown and partly it's because I'm wearing these retainer-like braces on my teeth that make it a hassle to unconsciously snack because I have to take them off, and partly I'm doing some deliberate things like: not having crisps and chocolate in the house or only have dark cooking chocolate that isn't quite so more-ish. Also I've been getting friendly with the feeling of being a bit peckish. Like, feel that, it's a good feeling because it means I'm going to be slim and attractive (this is what I'm telling myself, right? NLP style) so I associate that feeling with feeling good about myself, rather than considering it to be a problem. And don't eat a thing after 7pm, just let my liver get to work overnight. Top tips  Also, it's not a diet, it's: "that's how I eat now, that's my life" Oh, and if you're going white knuckle with will power against craving, you're going to lose eventually. Like the other chaps are saying, your attention has to go elsewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 3:50:36 GMT -5
Extremely logical. If I come up with any ifs and buts with that advice, I am in effect, just giving excuses. It may take even longer than 10 years but I will give this a shot. TBH I have been on similar diets off and on, albeit never wholeheartedly. I even began losing weight but the cravings got the better of me last time. I will try my best to give it 100% this time, promise. I thought you were being allegorical. I've been losing weight at about 100g per day during lockdown and partly it's because I'm wearing these retainer-like braces on my teeth that make it a hassle to unconsciously snack because I have to take them off, and partly I'm doing some deliberate things like: not having crisps and chocolate in the house or only have dark cooking chocolate that isn't quite so more-ish. Also I've been getting friendly with the feeling of being a bit peckish. Like, feel that, it's a good feeling because it means I'm going to be slim and attractive (this is what I'm telling myself, right? NLP style) so I associate that feeling with feeling good about myself, rather than considering it to be a problem. And don't eat a thing after 7pm, just let my liver get to work overnight. Top tips Also, it's not a diet, it's: "that's how I eat now, that's my life" Oh, and if you're going white knuckle with will power against craving, you're going to lose eventually. Like the other chaps are saying, your attention has to go elsewhere.
Can you explain me about this? I keep hearing this. What happens if one eats after 7??
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Post by laughter on May 14, 2020 4:35:52 GMT -5
Easy. Shift attention away from any thought of chocolate to what you can see, hear, feel, smell, or taste whenever a thought of chocolate appears. The imaginary chocolate thought structure or chocolate neural pathway will eventually collapse. If this isn't believed, try it and find out what happens. There's a money back guarantee if it doesn't work as described. Extremely logical. If I come up with any ifs and buts with that advice, I am in effect, just giving excuses. It may take even longer than 10 years but I will give this a shot. TBH I have been on similar diets off and on, albeit never wholeheartedly. I even began losing weight but the cravings got the better of me last time. I will try my best to give it 100% this time, promise. Jenna, Please to make your virtual acquaintance. True Chocolate is only tasted in that space between tongue and cheek. In that space is an absence, a void that can envelope and fade any and all bitterness of what came before in life. But, one must taste the Ultimate Chocolate. I can tell you of this True, Ultimate, Chocolate .. but only if you're interested, I wouldn't want to presume ... |
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Post by Peter on May 14, 2020 8:22:20 GMT -5
And don't eat a thing after 7pm, just let my liver get to work overnight. Top tips Can you explain me about this? I keep hearing this. What happens if one eats after 7??? Well firstly and most seriously you'll turn into a gremlin, but the theory is that it's your liver that breaks down carbohydrates & fat into glucose that your cells actually use. So if you've eaten a big bowl of pasta for your evening meal, then your liver is going to be working its way through that and storing the excess as fat. Whereas if you don't eat a lot of carbohydrates before sleeping, then your liver will instead start breaking down existing fat to keep you alive...while you sleep and therefore not needing much in the way of energy. See www.diabetesforecast.org/2012/feb/the-liver-s-role-how-it-processes-fats-and-carbs.html |
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Post by Peter on May 14, 2020 8:30:29 GMT -5
I can tell you of this True, Ultimate, Chocolate .. but only if you're interested, I wouldn't want to presume ... How come Jenna gets special attention? I don't remember you ever offering to tell me about the One True Ultimate Chocolate, Laughter.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 14, 2020 8:51:25 GMT -5
I can tell you of this True, Ultimate, Chocolate .. but only if you're interested, I wouldn't want to presume ... How come Jenna gets special attention? I don't remember you ever offering to tell me about the One True Ultimate Chocolate, Laughter. |
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Post by Reefs on May 14, 2020 8:58:57 GMT -5
Can you explain me about this? I keep hearing this. What happens if one eats after 7??? Well firstly and most seriously you'll turn into a gremlin, but the theory is that it's your liver that breaks down carbohydrates & fat into glucose that your cells actually use. So if you've eaten a big bowl of pasta for your evening meal, then your liver is going to be working its way through that and storing the excess as fat. Whereas if you don't eat a lot of carbohydrates before sleeping, then your liver will instead start breaking down existing fat to keep you alive...while you sleep and therefore not needing much in the way of energy. See www.diabetesforecast.org/2012/feb/the-liver-s-role-how-it-processes-fats-and-carbs.htmlWell, let's see if Dr. Lolly agrees. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 14, 2020 10:09:36 GMT -5
Oh are we actually talking about chocolate? I thought you were being allegorical. I've been losing weight at about 100g per day during lockdown and partly it's because I'm wearing these retainer-like braces on my teeth that make it a hassle to unconsciously snack because I have to take them off, and partly I'm doing some deliberate things like: not having crisps and chocolate in the house or only have dark cooking chocolate that isn't quite so more-ish. Also I've been getting friendly with the feeling of being a bit peckish. Like, feel that, it's a good feeling because it means I'm going to be slim and attractive (this is what I'm telling myself, right? NLP style) so I associate that feeling with feeling good about myself, rather than considering it to be a problem. And don't eat a thing after 7pm, just let my liver get to work overnight. Top tips Also, it's not a diet, it's: "that's how I eat now, that's my life" Oh, and if you're going white knuckle with will power against craving, you're going to lose eventually. Like the other chaps are saying, your attention has to go elsewhere.
Can you explain me about this? I keep hearing this. What happens if one eats after 7??
Peter is exactly correct. Basically, the longer you can go between meals the better off it is for your body. The body needs a periodic rest, specifically, the digestive system needs a periodic rest. And it's a myth that breakfast is very important, that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. Somewhat additionally to what Peter said. You know about marathons? Running 26+ miles? They say when you hit mile 20 you have hit a wall. You store energy in the muscles. For the body to begin burning fat, this energy in the muscles must be burned first. The 20 mile wall is approximately when one has burned this store of energy in the muscles. A man burns approximately 100 calories per hour. So basically a man should not eat more than 2,400 calories in a 24 hour period, depending upon how active one is. Eating calories, the body has to do something with them. A part is used for daily maintenance, rebuilding of cells, this is mostly the protein you eat (and it absolutely does not have to be animal protein, but you need to do a little research if you are a vegetarian). Part of what you eat you use for energy, for thinking (the brain uses about 20% of the energy used in the body), feeling and bodily doing. Any calories the body does not burn are stored as fat. This is first stored in the liver, and when the liver stores all it can, the excess calories are stored as fat in the body. So, there is a sequence of calorie use and a storage mechanism. And the reverse process is needed to begin burning fat and losing weight. Under ideal circumstances you burn the most fat while you sleep. So not eating after 7PM is part of the reason for this. Ideally, you have balanced out the intake of calories versus the expenditure of calories by bedtime. Then, during sleep, you exhaust the glucose stored in the muscles, then exhaust the fat stores of the liver, and then one will begin burning excess body fat. But if you eat more calories than you burn during the day, the liver has to work overtime, and instead of burning fat one stores fat. Now, a little further. There are 3,500 calories stored in one pound of fat. This is pure physics, this is the same for everyone. So if a man burns on average 2,400 calories a day, you can see how difficult it is to lose weight by burning fat. On a "diet" one can expect to lose no more than one to two pounds a week, one pound is a good goal. But Peter is right, don't look at losing weight as being on a special diet and then when you lose the weight you want to, go back to eating "normal". This never works. One needs to decide what they are going to eat for the rest of their life, period. I could go on and on, because I have had to study all this for weight control and to avoid type 2 diabetes, and to lower my blood pressure. US doctors don't know s**t for the most part. If you are in a doctors office for any time you will see a representative from a drug company come for a visit. They have a briefcase and usually walk right in as the receptionist knows them. Doctors get free samples to give patients, and most probably get a kick-back for recommending drugs. So doctors have an incentive to prescribe medications. They do not know nutrition and want you to control blood pressure and excess blood sugar by medication. I am determined not to go the medication route because there are always complications and side effects, and medications do not solve the underlying problems, they only mask the symptoms and make the symptoms look better. This is all just bull s**t. I know this from study and direct experience. Just a few more things. Type 2 diabetes is basically caused by wearing out the pancreas. And a very nasty cycle begins which has several names, but it's basically insulin resistance. I am stubborn in hat I can't just do what somebody advises, I have to know the why. But this is getting long. So what you don't want to do is stimulate the release of insulin. Sugar releases insulin, so don't eat sugar. Bread (any kind of bread, although whole grain breads are the best, as there is a slower breakdown into glucose), crackers, chips, cereal, granola, pasta, are also the worst things that always release insulin. These almost immediately turn to sugar/glucose in the body. So eating a sandwich is the same as eating a candy bar. Dried fruit, not good. Fruit in and of itself is not too bad, but should also be limited as fruit contains sugar. Sugar in the form of corn syrup is likewise very bad. All processed foods should be avoided, as manufacturers always add sugar and salt to make stuff taste better. So anything in a box or a can should be avoided. Fresh food is the best for you, as necessary enzymes are intact, the fresher the better. Diet drinks are a no no, as they taste sweet, so this tricks the pancreas into releasing insulin when it is not needed. This further exacerbates the insulin resistance cycle. (The presence of insulin opens the cells so that glucose enters the cells to feed them, the normal process. With insulin resistance the cells refuse to let the glucose in. This stops the normal process. So then the pancreas makes even more insulin which in turn makes things worse. Excess glucose stays in the blood, this is why one's blood sugar goes up or stays up, and one's A1C). Stupid doctors then prescribe either insulin or a medication which stimulates insulin production. (Type 1 diabetes and type 2 diabetes are very different and need different solutions). This may work for a while, but eventually quits working because medication solutions do not promote the body doing what it is supposed to do. You can eat all the vegetables you want, literally, so there is never a reason to go hungry, and they alone do not release insulin. Oh, one more thing. It's generally a good idea to avoid excess carbohydrates (the bread, crackers, chips, cereal, granola described above. If you can't give up your cereal, oats are the best to eat. I learned about oat bread, most of the bread I eat, which isn't much, is oat nut bread, very tasty) by not eating white stuff. Others, white potatoes (sweet potatoes are very good for you), white rice, pasta. If you can't give up sweets (at least not in the beginning), better to eat them with a meal, and not alone at later times. There are other measures, but basically your blood sugar should be below 100 after eight hours fasting. (Your doctor is going to say below 118 is OK). New recommendation from 2019, your blood pressure should be 130/80 or below. (Old recommendation was 140/90 was barely OK). The ideal, 120/80 or below. There are no symptoms for high blood pressure (AKA hypertension). This is why it is so deadly, and why you need a physical once a year. or, you can find a local pharmacy that will check your blood pressure for free, some have an automatic machine, very easy to use. If you are say over 45 and 20 pounds overweight (most people are 20 pounds overweight), find somebody that has diabetes and let them check your blood sugar after 8 hours/overnight fasting once a year, if you don't get a yearly physical. This is how I discovered I was pre-diabetic, my mother made me. Got my sugar under control quickly by the measures above (and supplements, books by Sherry A. Rogers M.D. very good). We've talked about fasting before. One can do a 3 & 1/2 day fast, water only or broth, without hurting the body. Can be done once a month or once a year (I've done, but not lately). There other types of intermittent fasting. Every other day (basically easily a 36-40 hour fast). Easy to do fasting 3 days a week to keep regular days. Eat once a day, a 22-23 hour fast. Eat within an eight hour window (this would include not eating after 7PM). This is the easiest way to begin, you basically skip one meal a day. (And if you don't eat until noonish you will continue to burn calories you began in the night cycle described above). I keep thinking of extra stuff. The most important thing one can do for their health is take care of your gut bacteria. Research your microbiome and probiotics and prebiotics. Your gut bacteria influences everything. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 14, 2020 10:14:29 GMT -5
Well firstly and most seriously you'll turn into a gremlin, but the theory is that it's your liver that breaks down carbohydrates & fat into glucose that your cells actually use. So if you've eaten a big bowl of pasta for your evening meal, then your liver is going to be working its way through that and storing the excess as fat. Whereas if you don't eat a lot of carbohydrates before sleeping, then your liver will instead start breaking down existing fat to keep you alive...while you sleep and therefore not needing much in the way of energy. See www.diabetesforecast.org/2012/feb/the-liver-s-role-how-it-processes-fats-and-carbs.htmlWell, let's see if Dr. Lolly agrees. I went into this more fully, see post above. Welcome lolly's reply. |
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Post by laughter on May 14, 2020 10:56:41 GMT -5
I can tell you of this True, Ultimate, Chocolate .. but only if you're interested, I wouldn't want to presume ... How come Jenna gets special attention? I don't remember you ever offering to tell me about the One True Ultimate Chocolate, Laughter. Sorry Pete. It's the latest neo-Advaita fad to drift back toward the old traditions. We only pick the choconuts when they're ripe, so they have to say certain magic phrases to qualify. |
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Post by Peter on May 17, 2020 2:11:16 GMT -5
There are 3,500 calories stored in one pound of fat. This is pure physics, this is the same for everyone. So if a man burns on average 2,400 calories a day, you can see how difficult it is to lose weight by burning fat. On a "diet" one can expect to lose no more than one to two pounds a week. I heard this expressed as "You can't exercise your way out of a bad diet" And I'm an unripe coconut now? I will need to retire and reflect on this. At least it's not even a nut, so I feel better about that. |
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