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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2019 17:43:33 GMT -5
Habituation to living-by-wire is the unnatural state of the consensus trance, and most folks don't really have the luxury of retreating to a life situation where there's no need for differentiating between when mind is master or tool. But ultimately, of course, it's ok, as such a retreat is never really necessary.  Yup. I remember the state of mind that felt it needed to take a turn and just walk into the hills, away from it all. Finding a place/space/desire to loosen the grip can be conducive to surrender. Yes. Literal mental/physical stillness/silence is a wonderful and beautiful thing. And it's one of Plato's shadows. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 18:42:06 GMT -5
Well. What they read it with needs to be put down then aye? Yeah, therein can lie the assumption of one’s limitations. If reading about Freedom of being outside mind while only assuming Oneness Is, the meaning of such pointers can fall on jaded ears. The defacto prisoner often runs with it (for any number of reasons) rather than let any such words move through them to sense their nuance (maybe ***smile*** a little). This idea that 'pointers' can take anyone anywhere is quite misleading. Without trust pointers don't take anyone anywhere, that's why they are so consistently challenged in here. What is more likely to be happening with these 'pointers' is that they sound familiar to already experienced comparable insights. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 19:01:14 GMT -5
You're not responsible for that so encouraging it seems like an unusual position to adopt. By my recollection, there's something in the Tao and/or the Bible or other source along the lines of "do your work without expectation as to reward or outcome". Whatever comes in response to speaking the existential truth is never really wrong or a mistake. It was in the Gita. |
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Post by enigma on Nov 22, 2019 20:17:51 GMT -5
But Awakening is not like going to sleep. No it is not, but that wasn't the meaning of my analogy. Awakening is not analogous to going to sleep. The reason suffering is relieved in Awakening is that mind is ultimately informed by the realization, not subdued. |
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Post by satchitananda on Nov 22, 2019 21:37:52 GMT -5
No it is not, but that wasn't the meaning of my analogy. Awakening is not analogous to going to sleep. The reason suffering is relieved in Awakening is that mind is ultimately informed by the realization, not subdued. The analogy wasn't about equating awakening with falling asleep, it was about a transition and I used the transition of waking to sleep as an example of transition as it was in this statement from Laffy. "This falling away can be a process over time, and might blur the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows." I'm saying that blurriness drops away just as it does if you're going from waking to sleep. You may be concerned about the thoughts in your mind as you are trying to get to sleep but then suddenly you are asleep and blurriness is not an issue. The same applies to awakening and the example I used about blurriness before going to sleep is a practical example of something that everyone will have experienced. There may be a concern about thoughts interrupting the transition between waking and falling asleep but then suddenly it is all gone. The point I'm making is that this perceived problematic blurriness is ultimately not an issue because it falls away suddenly in awakening and then it will be of no further concern. |
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Post by enigma on Nov 23, 2019 11:25:38 GMT -5
Awakening is not analogous to going to sleep. The reason suffering is relieved in Awakening is that mind is ultimately informed by the realization, not subdued. it was about a transition and I used the transition of waking to sleep as an example of transition as it was in this statement from Laffy. "This falling away can be a process over time, and might blur the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows." I'm saying that blurriness drops away just as it does if you're going from waking to sleep. You may be concerned about the thoughts in your mind as you are trying to get to sleep but then suddenly you are asleep and blurriness is not an issue. The same applies to awakening and the example I used about blurriness before going to sleep is a practical example of something that everyone will have experienced. There may be a concern about thoughts interrupting the transition between waking and falling asleep but then suddenly it is all gone. The point I'm making is that this perceived problematic blurriness is ultimately not an issue because it falls away suddenly in awakening and then it will be of no further concern. I'm not suggesting that you equated them, rather that you wrongly made them analogous. If I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, which I do not, I would suggest that the somnambulism that you describe is what L means by 'the informing of mind'. As it is, I believe there is a reason why you don't relate to the 'informing'. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 23, 2019 12:28:26 GMT -5
Yup. I remember the state of mind that felt it needed to take a turn and just walk into the hills, away from it all. Finding a place/space/desire to loosen the grip can be conducive to surrender. Yes. Literal mental/physical stillness/silence is a wonderful and beautiful thing. And it's one of Plato's shadows. Yes, it is part of the movement, exactly. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 23, 2019 12:37:11 GMT -5
Yeah, therein can lie the assumption of one’s limitations. If reading about Freedom of being outside mind while only assuming Oneness Is, the meaning of such pointers can fall on jaded ears. The defacto prisoner often runs with it (for any number of reasons) rather than let any such words move through them to sense their nuance (maybe ***smile*** a little). This idea that 'pointers' can take anyone anywhere is quite misleading. Without trust pointers don't take anyone anywhere, that's why they are so consistently challenged in here. What is more likely to be happening with these 'pointers' is that they sound familiar to already experienced comparable insights. Who said pointers were meant to help someone get anywhere other than "not locked up in/as the dream"? Yep, words will sound familiar and all forms of trust will be questioned. It can get messy, to be sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 15:07:41 GMT -5
This idea that 'pointers' can take anyone anywhere is quite misleading. Without trust pointers don't take anyone anywhere, that's why they are so consistently challenged in here. What is more likely to be happening with these 'pointers' is that they sound familiar to already experienced comparable insights.
Yep, words will sound familiar and all forms of trust will be questioned. It can get messy, to be sure. Where does the idea that the Earth is a jail that has to be transcended come from? Please.. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 23, 2019 21:09:37 GMT -5
Who said pointers were meant to help someone get anywhere other than "not locked up in/as the dream"?
Yep, words will sound familiar and all forms of trust will be questioned. It can get messy, to be sure. Where does the idea that the Earth is a jail that has to be transcended come from? Please.. Not talking about Earth per se, but if you don't get the allusion to Freedom, I guess I've misunderstood what "Rebirth of the Great Work" might be alluding to. I should prolly read more, my bad. So, is the great work just about something to do while hanging out on Earth, maybe making it a better place and stuff? Please... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 21:15:18 GMT -5
Yes. Literal mental/physical stillness/silence is a wonderful and beautiful thing. And it's one of Plato's shadows. Yes, it is part of the movement, exactly. Exactly. And we are there in that movement. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 23, 2019 22:01:19 GMT -5
Yes, it is part of the movement, exactly. Exactly. And we are there in that movement. Or, that movement is within what YOU are... |
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Post by laughter on Nov 24, 2019 1:01:38 GMT -5
Yes, it is part of the movement, exactly. Exactly. And we are there in that movement. This is the nature of appearances, yes, but I think you already know better about "inner/outer".  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 4:14:31 GMT -5
Where does the idea that the Earth is a jail that has to be transcended come from? Please.. Not talking about Earth per se, but if you don't get the allusion to Freedom, I guess I've misunderstood what "Rebirth of the Great Work" might be alluding to. I should prolly read more, my bad. So, is the great work just about something to do while hanging out on Earth, maybe making it a better place and stuff? Please... I'm not 'hanging out on Earth' as I don't have this idea that I could be anywhere else. If you've never questioned the origination of your beliefs then that's fine. This is the origination of the Great Work thread. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 24, 2019 9:41:09 GMT -5
Not talking about Earth per se, but if you don't get the allusion to Freedom, I guess I've misunderstood what "Rebirth of the Great Work" might be alluding to. I should prolly read more, my bad. So, is the great work just about something to do while hanging out on Earth, maybe making it a better place and stuff? Please... I'm not 'hanging out on Earth' as I don't have this idea that I could be anywhere else. If you've never questioned the origination of your beliefs then that's fine. This is the origination of the Great Work thread. I agree, you cannot be anywhere else and one of the ways to get Here is to question one's beliefs. In my opinion, based on the body of his work (for which I'm grateful for such boldness), I'd say Terrence would understand the allusion of the "prison of mind" and perhaps even provide some pharmacologico-physiologico-culturo-pschychological means for working through its walls. I could be wrong. |
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